H e l p - hydro drooping plants cold water

[greengnome]

Okay, I had to do a water change out, and this is my first one, and well oh shit.

My plants are droppy now, sagging really bad... What did I do wrong?

The water was cool to the touch, I never realized. The water I dumped was very warm, and now I don't understand why my water isn't warming up again, but whatever, I'll get fish heater... but..


can I save them? wholy shit this sux been trying to get a clone to live and just when it was doing well it starts to droop on me after a water change.

Sooo what can i do now.. ?

 

[MoleMcHenry]

What's your ph?

 

[greengnome]

5.6-5.8

I'll go check it again.. pertty sure that where it at.

 

[MynameStitch]

Water is not supossed to be warm dude; do NOT warm up your water; water temps need to STAY at 65 to 70 degrees; sounds like you may have a case of the root rot. Warm temps bring on lower oxygen levels and unwanted bacteria growth which triggers root rot and your plants get droopy; not to mention the plants can't fully absorb nutrients when temps are warm.



What color are your roots brown?
If water came out warm and your plants are droopy I bet anything you got root rot......
Does your roots have a smell or a slime to them?


Are you running DWC buckets?

 

[greengnome]

dwc and so I warmed up the water, finally got myself a submersible heater that I can set right at 60 or where I want to keep it very accurate.. however;

My ph was at 6.3-6.4 @#$#@$ I think we both know my error already....

So will high ph like that cause this? And no no root rot atm.. they are very white very healthy.

Btw.. you seem very knowledgeable.. I got another question what is safe to use to lower PH from households... is Vinegar okay?

 

[MynameStitch]

Well, you may have disturbed the roots a bit; pH won't cause it to droop but rather show issues like toxcity and deficiences......

Good you don't got root rot!
Ya, you can use homemade stuff; but it's not stable..... so yes you can use vinegar in your hydrosetup; but your better off getting some pH down...........

vinegar will only be stable for so long.....

 

[greengnome]

sagging for 5 days? will happen if I disturbed the roots?

 

[MynameStitch]

You got pics of the plants? Cause it's hard to really find out what is going on without pics and a lot of grow info here.....

If you desturb the roots sometimes plants won't recover; but it does not have often, but plants will show droopiness in many different situation; it's like trying to play pin the needle on the deficiency, because many things cause this issue......

It's like going to the Dr and saying you have a fever and telling you have the mumps....... fever can be caused by 100's of things.... like your plants, plants droopiness can be caused by a number of things..... warm temps, low oxygen count in the water...... air stones clogged.... not enough air for the root mass.....

Have you checked your air stones and when you change the water do you clean out your system with warm water and soap? How often you clean your system?

 

[greengnome]

 

[MynameStitch]

Dude, you said they were DWC....... deep water culture..... they are in coco/soil mixture it looks like..... is those buckets sitting in water? those plants look like they are toast....... Those plants look like the soil never dries up loike they are sitting in saturated mixture.

WHats that container in the last pic that says sodium?

 

[Core]

i'm watching this......

 

[greengnome]

I am looking for solution to problem this plant is nearly 6 months old come out of am micro system and into a bigger room.

The coir drys out always does for me, and in my experience coir can stay very very wet for long periods and seems to not be affecting anything else.


Now..: IS THIS WHAT HAPPENED
I turned my heater on cause I have been having some issues... but... I think it stuck on do you think it cooked them was this just from the heater and not mis managed soil ? nuts.

and... it's a Ceramic Heater... what kinda of heater can i use to add a little temp increase in my room?

or is 74-77F good? during veg and drops down to 65F


This doesn't look dead, in fact it's starting to come back again remember it's a weed not a tropic plant. I stress them at times just to learn .



Sodium ... PH down....


And these are in basket net pots. suspended in complete water after the coir.. THIS IS NOT SOIL Trust me in the blue container it's only water and bubbles.. I not showing you my dwc I'll post it after in a 20gal until I figure out how not to embarrass myself so much lol

 

[MynameStitch]

Ok, I have seen this type of setup before; you can't grow like this..... reason why your coir is drying out is, because you got a heater to warm it up; why is this? Why are you using a heater?

You don't want to keep the water warm; but you want to keep the room warm; warm roots invites too much stuff; so letting them sit in water like they are is no good.

You can't use coir with hydro...... yes coir can stay wet so your suffacating your roots; in hydro water is surrounded the roots; but there is constant air bubbles and air in there; when you use coir air bubbles are not getting to the roots even though the water is in the coir; there is no air flow going in there the roots are staying wet too much.


You have officially killed your plants; sorry; sodium pH down is the worst thing you could ever use on your plants; sodium is a major killer to plants; it causes the plants vascular system to collapse inside the the plant not allowing water or nutrients to reach parts of the plant that is affected.......
You should get a different kind of pH down.......

I would be shocked if these plants even remotely recovered; don't feel embarrassed about posting pics of your grow.... I know shit happens; but did you read up on any of these before you started to grow?

Your plants look like overwatered and under watered at the same time........ It all depends on how hot the room got; BUT if heat was the issue depending on how long they were in it; they will recover; this was caused by something else; it's caused by 2 things; you can't keep coco wet all the time like it is sitting in a bubbler container with water; you can't grow like the way you have it setup; the plants don't like it..... if it's drying out too much your room temps are too warm or your not watering them throughly enough.

Not to mention you have been adding sodium to it...... so there is no way these plants are going to recover.....

am looking for solution to problem this plant is nearly 6 months old

See; plants that are 6 months old are supposed to be hella bigger; they are toast; sodium causes plants to become stunted and they never grow again; I have had this happen to my grows and it took me a while before I found out the cause..... I got a pic of my sick plant that was caused by the sodium damage; they turn yellow and droopy and sometimes stop taking up the amounts of normal water it takes up. It sits there feeding off slowly nutrients that were in the plant and then dies soon after all nutrients have been absorbed. It could takes months for the plant to do this by the time it has used it all up; but in conclusion; you can't grow like you are doing now..... never use sodium pH, do not use anything that has sodium in it period. This also goes for water; like mineral water or bottled water that as it added for taste; small amounts build up in the plant very quickly and they take in sodium first before all available nutrients; so what it does is it gets absorbed and when this happens it builds up like a wall not allowing moisture or other nutrients to get past it.

You are going to have to chose between using hydro or soiless mixture (coco)

 

[greengnome]

sadly I just smoked it's sister and well it's over on that one...

Okay, so I got new stuff, called PH adjust down.

it's nutrafin, says Safely reduces PH, Contains no phosphates....

DANGER
poison corrosive...

it's a hagen product will this correct my issues?

 

[MynameStitch]

nope, not safe to use; get something that says safe for plants and make sure it does not have sodium in the ingediants label, phosphrous pH adjusters are fine, but stay the hell away from stuff that has sodium in it.