Guerilla Underground Thread

[MountainBudz]

Decided to create a thread to help out my fellow ICmagger guerillas. This thread shall be polluted with any and all information you would like to know about true guerilla growing. For those of us that cannot simply grow in our backyards... For those of us that have to put blood, sweat and tears into our work and trip over our own feet hauling bales of promix through miles of lush vegetation and rugged terrain. For those of us who wanna achieve all of our goals and make our dreams come to life.

I am going to help you achieve this...

I have several years and grows under my belt guerilla growing here in the hills and hollars of the Southern Appalachian mountains... I have won some and lost some, I have evaluated my mistakes and turned them into success..

I see lots of questions go unanswered on here or answered in ways that cannot help the guerilla grower who is struggling to have the knowledge to succeed on there crops.

Knowledge is power in this game and one simple mistake can cost you your entire grow that you worked your ass off all spring, summer and fall to reap those beautiful buds. Security can cost you your life, your precious time. We are good people folks, and we do good things. What we do is not wrong in any way or form.

So lets get this started... Shoot away with your questions, your curiosity, share your own knowledge, hints, tips etc...

Sometimes I might be a bit delayed from time to time on answering questions, but I have a very busy life schedule atm. I am in the bush every day and some days I am away all day long.

The season is upon us... Let it reign!!!

Mbz...

 

[MountainBudz]

Woke up extra early this morning. We were blasted with very strong storms last night and I just had set out 48 2 week old seedlings a couple days ago. Pray for me that the heavy rains and winds didn't cause any damage.

Those that are laying over and survived the aftermath I will stake up with small 6 inch piece of bamboo or sticks.

Suppose to get another strong storm moving in today.

Mistake made... Lesson learned. Been here before but just didn't think. Watch and keep a close eye on the weather folks, plan ahead!

 

[VonBudí]

so 5 things iv been wondering about

1)companion plants to keep pests away, the flower types suggested like chrysanthemums, marigolds, daisys etc stand out to much, other common suggested ones like onion, garlic (not as brightly colored,greener) can take over an area

what can i use that blends in and wont propagate like mad.

2) does spraying essential oils on plants in flower actually keep mold away?

3) any one using osmocote/granular ferts these days?

4) what ruck sack would you recommend for guerrilla growing, around the 80l mark.

5) anyone using drones?

ty

 

[MountainBudz]

so 5 things iv been wondering about

1)companion plants to keep pests away, the flower types suggested like chrysanthemums, marigolds, daisys etc stand out to much, other common suggested ones like onion, garlic (not as brightly colored,greener) can take over an area

what can i use that blends in and wont propagate like mad.

2) does spraying essential oils on plants in flower actually keep mold away?

3) any one using osmocote/granular ferts these days?

4) what ruck sack would you recommend for guerrilla growing, around the 80l mark.

5) anyone using drones?

ty

1) Citronella plants are pretty good at doing that and will survive in rugged conditions if you amend the ground and a bit for them. I always plant around small maple saplings and a tree that grows wild around here called a mimosa . Also I like to plant close to thorn bushes and briars as well because you can train them around the plant pretty well. My area here in the US and where you are at are more than likely totally different. Marigolds would be okay, just pluck the blooms off so they don't stand out so much.

2) Never tried the essential oils, I have only used rosemary oil on an indoor run once to battle spider mites/broad mites and it seemed to work pretty well from what I remember. I have used neem oil outdoors as well as in, and neem oil is proven to help prevent mold but it doesn't cure it. It can also prevent and kill pests that are prone to causing your buds to rot, like the dreaded bud worms, tobacco worms, tomato worms and corn borers... They feed on the bud and drill tunnels through the bud which causes buds to start rotting and also the feces they leave in your buds can turn a whole crop of heavy colas in a whole mess of mushy botrytis as well. My biggest problem growing outdoors here are bud worms causing rot.

3) Yes I have used osmocote a few years outdoors. I usually combine it with organics and they seem to love the combination. Sometimes I use it as a stand alone for plots that I don't visit often. Just put some osmocote in the ground today and several different holes honestly lol. Seems like good stuff. If you need a quicker boost from time to time use water soluble jacks classic line fertilizers and if hauling water is a problem just sprinkle it around the base of the plant before a good rain. It works very well. Double up on the dose as some will be washed away especially if there is no barrier to keep it concentrated around the base of the plant.

4) I just use a good ole large camo backpack from walmart and it works well. I have my pack on my back, another smaller bag with drinks and snacks on my shoulder and usually have both hands full at the same time with tools, sprayer, amendments etc...

5) Funny you mentioned it. I was just talking and thinking about purchasing a drone a few days ago. I will be purchasing one next month to help keep an eye on my plants and crops without so much foot traffic and physical approaches. I will also use it for finding potential grow areas, much faster than searching on foot when you are in a rush for the season. They can also give you an idea of the view the pilot has from the chopper and you can see any opportunities to fix bare spots on the ground or anything that makes them stand out.

Sorry if I didn't answer your questions to your satisfaction, let me know if there is any confusion and i'll help clear it up. Anything else ask away partner!

 

[pipeline]

I had good results with Espoma Garden-Tone organic fertilizer. Worked a few cups per big hole at planting and then top dressed once a month. When top dressing, break up crust on top of soil digging only about 1/2-3/4 inch deep. Move the extra soil toward the center and raise your garden mound up. Doing this several times works in fertilizer well and provides more volume for root mass. Air exchange to soil is improved and giving roots more oxygen. Believe me the plants respond!

 

[MountainBudz]

I had good results with Espoma Garden-Tone organic fertilizer. Worked a few cups per big hole at planting and then top dressed once a month. When top dressing, break up crust on top of soil digging only about 1/2-3/4 inch deep. Move the extra soil toward the center and raise your garden mound up. Doing this several times works in fertilizer well and provides more volume for root mass. Air exchange to soil is improved and giving roots more oxygen. Believe me the plants respond!

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Beautiful patch there pipeline.

Good tips as well...

But use caution. Epsoma Garden Tone is very good fertilizer and I use it every year in my grows. I only mix it into my container grows in the bush though. You need to know exactly what kind of critters you have around your environment. Do you have coons? Opossums? Coyotes? Bears? Wolves? Bobcats? If you answered yes to any of the listed animals, it is likely they will dig up your holes/patches out of curiosity to see what was buried there. Sometimes they do this even without the "smelly" organics, even using chemicals. They think that an animal has buried something there or that there is food in the hole.

I have ran up on many patches and holes back in the day with uprooted plants, destroyed to pieces because of organics. Especially any blood, bone or fishy smelling stuff. Sometimes even bird guano or chicken poop. Because they know a chicken is food and that a chicken has been there.

Now if your environment is controlled and secure use all the organics you want. But in most cases, guerilla grows are not.

Pipeline, what kind of wildlife do you have in your area? Is your patch secured with any fencing or defense of any kind? If wild animals are abundant in your area and you use this with no problems you are a lucky man or they have just become used to it being there after checking out of curiosity in the past.

If you do however wanna use organic granular ferts, then make sure you amend the ground a week or two before planting to give the critters time to dig around and check it out for themselves.

A good granular fertilizer to use, although chemical is from the local farm supply stores in your area. 20-20-20 or 10-20-30, or whatever number you want they usually have it or can customize for you if your area is well known for farming then you will for sure find this stuff.

 

[MountainBudz]

Forgot to note that the granular chemical fertilizers from farm stores is usually very cheap. Between 10 to 20 bucks for a 50lb bag and that will go a very very long way especially if you are growing on a commercial level or on a budget.

 

[VonBudí]

ty both. deadheading marigolds it is. Granular on the to do list hopefully next year. any one doing a seed patch?

 

[MountainBudz]

ty both. deadheading marigolds it is. Granular on the to do list hopefully next year. any one doing a seed patch?

Sounds like a plan bro.

Yes, i'm doing a seed patch. I usually set 65 or so out per patch of regular non fem seeds. Also doing clones and fem seed.

 

[KTMFUN]

Where I live the soil is very hard to dig in. So when I find the right spot the year before a grow I will pack in drywall pieces that I got from a construction site. The gypsum in the drywall loosens up the soil and makes digging effortless. Also it gives a bump to calcium and sulfur levels. Powder about 4 cups worth with a stone and mix it in with the native dirt. Come next spring Shangri la.

 

[pipeline]

Drywall? Thats news to me. Not sure whats in plaster....

Thanks! I take pride in my plots!

The plot is in a field and has nearby streams and a creek. I've not ever really had problems with animals digging using the plant tone/garden tone. Every once in a while, but they never dig very much. I keep using it.

To reduce the chance of damage, dig and amend 2 weeks before panting, and its good to top the holes off with plain soil to "cap" in the fertilizer smell".

At harvest a woodchuck or something tore apart some of my plants. Buds flew everywhere, he must have been happy. That was due to late pollination and lots of seed.

Plot is doing well today. I planted a week ago digging and planting all at once. I know its against the rules. I'm a busy man! Soil conditions were just dry enough to dig, but if you got down too far in some spots it was wet. Dad always told me the old wisdom is to try and get them in the ground soon, even if conditions aren't right. It rains all the time. The spot retains moisture obviously. Theres the head of a little field drainage brook nearby. Perfect habitat for a water needy cannabis.

When choosing a plot try to get one with east sun to dry the buds out in the morning reducing mold. Afternoon shade is good to keep the plants cooler on those hot days and conserve moisture in the soil.

Inspections should be done weekly if possible to optimize plant performance. Every 2-4 weeks for sure to keep weeds and overgrowth of native plants down.

Aug 15, 2015

 

[Dday391]

I'm in the northern climate around 42n, and my question is would the month and a half or so of veg be enough to justify my planting? I'm thinking they have a chance. I'm not expecting a pound per plant, maybe like 3-5? The strain is blackberry kush and from what I've seen it usually does 8 per plant outdoors. Are my estimates reasonable or outlandish? Thank you for the help

 

[VonBudí]

dont use drywall. if its from some ye old building great but not the modern stuff, full of fire retardants and other shit that will leach in to the water table, believe we have specialist landfill sites just for it. im using chicken grit/oyster shells for calcium, takes few months to kick in through.

 

[wildkender]

this is the best time to take out clones, for seeds its a lil late but if they are a few weeks old than still very good.

june, july... 2 month pure growth left, some strains has even 3 months till flowering.

 

[KTMFUN]

dont use drywall. if its from some ye old building great but not the modern stuff, full of fire retardants and other shit that will leach in to the water table, believe we have specialist landfill sites just for it. im using chicken grit/oyster shells for calcium, takes few months to kick in through.

Here in good old us of a they use fiberglass as the fire retarder no chemicals. The fire retarder they save for our pillows,in case your head bursts into flames.

 

[MountainBudz]

I'm in the northern climate around 42n, and my question is would the month and a half or so of veg be enough to justify my planting? I'm thinking they have a chance. I'm not expecting a pound per plant, maybe like 3-5? The strain is blackberry kush and from what I've seen it usually does 8 per plant outdoors. Are my estimates reasonable or outlandish? Thank you for the help

Yes you have plenty of time. Even if you are starting seeds out now. I just germinated 144 yesterday and probably 144 again tomorrow (nursery trays with 72 cells per tray).

I don't stop germinating until around the middle of august, if I have time on my hands sometimes I will even germinate towards the beginning of September. But growing late is something you just have to get accustomed to. You will learn from experience, just experiment and know that when planting late numbers should be increased. Smaller plants are also more secure and stealthier as well.

If you are only doing 8 then put lots of focus and love into those 8 and transplant from a solocup or nursery tray, to a 1 gallon container then to there final destination as transplanting often and correctly will give enormous growth spurts.

And for those of you wondering about clones, it is definitely not too late for those at all.

Blackberry Kush is suppose to be a great outdoor plant, yields well and is mold resistant. Although I have seen a few people complain about the potency is all. I am running a similar strain this year outdoors (only similar by name) called Blackberry OG by Emerald Triangle seeds. Great yielder, decently potent, has amazing bag appeal and also mold resistant.

 

[MountainBudz]

this is the best time to take out clones, for seeds its a lil late but if they are a few weeks old than still very good.

june, july... 2 month pure growth left, some strains has even 3 months till flowering.

Refer to my last post made to Dday... It is not too late nor is it near too late. I used to think the same until I quit listening to what everyone else had heard from everyone else and become experienced with planting "late" myself.

 

[MountainBudz]

Where I live the soil is very hard to dig in. So when I find the right spot the year before a grow I will pack in drywall pieces that I got from a construction site. The gypsum in the drywall loosens up the soil and makes digging effortless. Also it gives a bump to calcium and sulfur levels. Powder about 4 cups worth with a stone and mix it in with the native dirt. Come next spring Shangri la.

I personally would not grow in drywall, although it is interesting and I understand you have to do what you have to do. Everyone is different.

 

[wildkender]

Refer to my last post made to Dday... It is not too late nor is it near too late. I used to think the same until I quit listening to what everyone else had heard from everyone else and become experienced with planting "late" myself.

too late or too early depends on what is the ideal plant size... with errrday watering they still can be giants.

guerilla outdoors the best plant size is smaller than 1 pound per plant.

seedplants are easier to manage but clones produce more buds on a same sized plant because of their bushy structure.

 

[Dday391]

Yes you have plenty of time. Even if you are starting seeds out now. I just germinated 144 yesterday and probably 144 again tomorrow (nursery trays with 72 cells per tray).

I don't stop germinating until around the middle of august, if I have time on my hands sometimes I will even germinate towards the beginning of September. But growing late is something you just have to get accustomed to. You will learn from experience, just experiment and know that when planting late numbers should be increased. Smaller plants are also more secure and stealthier as well.

If you are only doing 8 then put lots of focus and love into those 8 and transplant from a solocup or nursery tray, to a 1 gallon container then to there final destination as transplanting often and correctly will give enormous growth spurts.

And for those of you wondering about clones, it is definitely not too late for those at all.

Blackberry Kush is suppose to be a great outdoor plant, yields well and is mold resistant. Although I have seen a few people complain about the potency is all. I am running a similar strain this year outdoors (only similar by name) called Blackberry OG by Emerald Triangle seeds. Great yielder, decently potent, has amazing bag appeal and also mold resistant.

Thanks man I appreciate your input! I have been reaching a lot of mixed conclusions and not really finding any documented grows started around this time. From the few I have found they match exactly what your saying. Very reassuring to know my cat didn't ruin my entire year, only my quest for monsters lol.