Grow from seed or clone for long flowering sativas

[farm3r]

I'm about to pop some ACE and Cannabiogen seeds and read that with long flowering sativas, it's better to grow them out from clones as they will finish a few weeks faster.


Also, would the clones be more manageable when growing in a height limited tent (4x4x7)?



Now, I'm curious which of the seeds below (all fems) would benefit from growing out from clone.


Golden Tiger - I will grow from clones as had been suggested somewhere.
Panama - grow from seeds or clones?
Zamaldelica - grow from seeds or clones?
Malawi - grow from seeds or clones?
Malawi x Panama - grow from seeds or clones?
Destroyer - grow from seeds or clones?

 

[troutman]

You can vegetate for 2 weeks or send seeds right into flowering.

I prefer vegging for 2 weeks at least under only 14 hours of light.

 

[farm3r]

You can vegetate for 2 weeks or send seeds right into flowering.

I prefer vegging for 2 weeks at least under only 14 hours of light.

I am aware of different methods like short vegging, 12/12 from seeds, etc, but I want to make sure I got good clones before I send any of them into flowering.

 

[Dropped Cat]

I'm about to pop some ACE and Cannabiogen seeds and read that with long flowering sativas, it's better to grow them out from clones as they will finish a few weeks faster.

Also, would the clones be more manageable when growing in a height limited tent (4x4x7)?

Now, I'm curious which of the seeds below (all fems) would benefit from growing out from clone.

Golden Tiger - I will grow from clones as had been suggested somewhere.
Panama - grow from seeds or clones?
Zamaldelica - grow from seeds or clones?
Malawi - grow from seeds or clones?
Malawi x Panama - grow from seeds or clones?
Destroyer - grow from seeds or clones?

I don't know Destroyer.

All the others, fem or regular, will veg better as cuttings from the seed plant, i don't know why.

You will not shave weeks off flowering time by flowering cuttings.

The thunk I flower goes 16 weeks, as cutting from cutting
from original seed plant from 2009.

The two phenos of Zamaldelica I flowered also went 110 days +/- as cuttings.

At seven feet, you have enough head room for the narrow leaf types,
as they prefer some distance from the lights, unlike the wide leaf types
that can endure closer proximity to your light source.

Keep us posted with pics and what not as you grow them beans, great collection!

 

[dubi]

Welcome farm3r

Thanks for supporting our work. Glad you are about to start some of our feminized classic sativas from seed. As we have commented several times in this room: it's better to flower indoors pure sativa sexually mature clones rather than from seed, because the size, stretching and flowering time of sexually mature clones is shorter vs the same plant grown from a seed, therefore much more suitable for indoor grows in small cabinets like yours.

You may consider to flower them directly from seed in case you don't want to spend time taking and rooting clones and preparing a new cycle. From your list, Panama, Zamaldelica and Malawi will perform better being flowered straight from seed (or providing them a couple of weeks of growing). If that's the case, better make a cycle with a very small number of seeds rather than try to grow seeds of all the strains in the same cycle.

Let us know if you have any other doubt. Good luck!

 

[romanoweed]

Can you tell me, is there an easy Rule for wich Strans are better from Seed/Clone? Im speaking of other Strains not from Ace..


pure Vietblack , gn Thai (ok this was from ace once) , other se asian LAnrace.. How much time can i gain if done right? And will the shorter flowering Bud also behave like shorter flowering Phenos/or Strains (Effectwise) ? Meaning rather less trippy?

 

[farm3r]

Welcome farm3r

Thanks for supporting our work. Glad you are about to start some of our feminized classic sativas from seed. As we have commented several times in this room: it's better to flower indoors pure sativa sexually mature clones rather than from seed, because the size, stretching and flowering time of sexually mature clones is shorter vs the same plant grown from a seed, therefore much more suitable for indoor grows in small cabinets like yours.

You may consider to flower them directly from seed in case you don't want to spend time taking and rooting clones and preparing a new cycle. From your list, Panama, Zamaldelica and Malawi will perform better being flowered straight from seed (or providing them a couple of weeks of growing). If that's the case, better make a cycle with a very small number of seeds rather than try to grow seeds of all the strains in the same cycle.

Let us know if you have any other doubt. Good luck!

Thank you Dubi for your input. I don't plan to grow all of those at the same time, but just a two or three strains.


What if I want to make sure I have some rooted clones before sending the seeded plant into flowering? Usually you can't take a clone until around 4 to 6 weeks of growing. So, in this case, there's not much I can do but use the seeded plant as mothers and send the rooted clones into flowering? Sending the 6 weeks old seeded plant into flowering would be unmanageable in terms of height?


I guess another question would be...How manageable, in terms of height, are Panama, Malawi and Zamaldelica if they have grown to about 5 weeks before flowering them?

 

[bushed]

Thank you Dubi for your input. I don't plan to grow all of those at the same time, but just a two or three strains.


What if I want to make sure I have some rooted clones before sending the seeded plant into flowering? Usually you can't take a clone until around 4 to 6 weeks of growing. So, in this case, there's not much I can do but use the seeded plant as mothers and send the rooted clones into flowering? Sending the 6 weeks old seeded plant into flowering would be unmanageable in terms of height?


I guess another question would be...How manageable, in terms of height, are Panama, Malawi and Zamaldelica if they have grown to about 5 weeks before flowering them?

It should be Possible to flower from seed and to take a cutting as on 12/12 it takes a long time for flower to start. That was my experience with goldentiger. I started 1 seed on 12/12 with a bunch of other hybrids. Everything else finished as the GT was just getting started.

The height will be extreme with most pure sativa, tieing down is possible, people recomend limiting pot size but I think this is for advanced growers as for me this lead to nute issues.

 

[farm3r]

It should be Possible to flower from seed and to take a cutting as on 12/12 it takes a long time for flower to start. That was my experience with goldentiger. I started 1 seed on 12/12 with a bunch of other hybrids. Everything else finished as the GT was just getting started.

The height will be extreme with most pure sativa, tieing down is possible, people recomend limiting pot size but I think this is for advanced growers as for me this lead to nute issues.

So you took some cuttings on they day you flipped? What if you only grow them for two weeks? There won't be any branches for cuttings.


Or are you saying that grow for 2 weeks, flip, then take cuttings at the 4th week after flip? Wouldn't it be harder for the cuttings to root as it's already flipped? Also, wouldn't the cuttings go into reveg mode and grow weird? I know because I have grown/flower revegged plants and it's ugly and high maintenance.

 

[bushed]

I started 12/12 as soon as all seeds were up, so zero veg. The GT didnt start to flower for ages and put out lots of branches, rooted fine. Hybrids flowered and cloned at the same time did have to reveg but GT hadnt started to flower despie being 12/12. Hope that helps with your plans.

 

[Range]

I just started Panama and Tikal in seed form in a similar setup (4x4x7) tent.

I was planning to veg them out for at least 6 weeks from seed before flowering and will train them with LST.

Is this too long to veg? Will they get too big?

 

[Mr D]

Thank you Dubi for your input. I don't plan to grow all of those at the same time, but just a two or three strains.


What if I want to make sure I have some rooted clones before sending the seeded plant into flowering? Usually you can't take a clone until around 4 to 6 weeks of growing. So, in this case, there's not much I can do but use the seeded plant as mothers and send the rooted clones into flowering? Sending the 6 weeks old seeded plant into flowering would be unmanageable in terms of height?


I guess another question would be...How manageable, in terms of height, are Panama, Malawi and Zamaldelica if they have grown to about 5 weeks before flowering them?

Panama will be the most manageable of the 3 strains. Zamaldelica was the stretchiest of the 3 in my garden.

Topping and training can be used in veg to help control height of the seed plants. Take clones as soon as there is enough growth. Once the seed plants are sexually mature and the clones are rooted you can chop back the seed plants you want to keep as parental stock.

, people recomend limiting pot size but I think this is for advanced growers as for me this lead to nute issues.

Sativas can auto flower when they get root bound but it's not recommended.

 

[romanoweed]

What are the Problems with Rootbounding (Limit pot size)?

 

[Koondense]

I just started Panama and Tikal in seed form in a similar setup (4x4x7) tent.

I was planning to veg them out for at least 6 weeks from seed before flowering and will train them with LST.

Is this too long to veg? Will they get too big?

Sounds interesting,
in a 4x4 you can have two plants in organic soil(transplant twice, last pot can be 30-50L) and train them on a net(scrog) for the 5-6 weeks in veg, then switch to flower and watch a forest grow

Best of luck

 

[Mr D]

What are the Problems with Rootbounding (Limit pot size)?

Stress and I found that if you let a 16 - 20 week strain go root bound to early it can create a bunch of problems depending on the growers skill.

 

[romanoweed]

but did it work, to gain a couple weeks with a 16, 20 weeker? and did someone manage to bring a Strain consistently go into early flower, or ended up ever with just a random Number of plants reacting?


I get it it asks for Trouble, but it could be even less Trouble as to try growing a 16 weeker Sativa at sa 45 Degree Latitude. And getting Rooftophigh. Did one ever had that Skill to really have a certain Controll in this Technique?


I would be very interested. Didnt find much more info, only that some Plants will easily give only half Potency of what it could..

 

[romanoweed]

Im seriousely asking myselve: could i actually make Aeroponic Rootbound (Aeroponic is growing in Air, no medium, just Nutrient-Fog) ? cause Water (with nutrients) is so thin, it would reach every Corner of Roots.. But Roots feel there is no more Space left.... So i dont run into deffciency..


What do you think? i think i will try that.

 

[Mr D]

but did it work, to gain a couple weeks with a 16, 20 weeker? and did someone manage to bring a Strain consistently go into early flower, or ended up ever with just a random Number of plants reacting?


I get it it asks for Trouble, but it could be even less Trouble as to try growing a 16 weeker Sativa at sa 45 Degree Latitude. And getting Rooftophigh. Did one ever had that Skill to really have a certain Controll in this Technique?


I would be very interested. Didnt find much more info, only that some Plants will easily give only half Potency of what it could..

I never did any testing or saw reliable data from anyone who did.

Poor results are why it's not recommended. Having a 16 week strain go root bound in veg to help induce flowering means you don't have much room for error during flowering if you hope to have the strain reach it's full potential.

Root bound plants do not have a shorter flowering time. It's mostly about inducing flowering a little sooner.

Can't help with anything hydro I'm an old dirt farmer.

 

[troutman]

I just started Panama and Tikal in seed form in a similar setup (4x4x7) tent.

I was planning to veg them out for at least 6 weeks from seed before flowering and will train them with LST.

Is this too long to veg? Will they get too big?

I say it's too long. It normally takes around 5 weeks for pure Sativas to slow down after flipping and why
it's best not to veg them too long in small spaces. Too be on the safe side imagine that your plant will get
4X it's height after flipping. So a 16 inch Sativa plant could easily get 4 or 5 feet tall. It's better to flower
with less vegging time and have no issues vs going too long and having major issues when they hit the roof.

 

[Range]

Thanks for the advice. I think I will work on the fact that they will stretch 4x, and base my calculations for veg off that.