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Green Dragon.

I was sure I saw thie recipe here somewhere but I cannot find it. I take no credit for the write-up. I have edited it for easy reading though.

This is a great recipe for a cannabis tincture that will knock your socks off! I found it somewhere on the web and copied it for my own reference and to share with the world. Something like this should never be buried.

There are a few main points I would like to mention:
First, use alcohol greater than 75% or 150 proof. Anything weaker will only cause disappointment. 94% is best. Here in Canada we can get 94% alcool in Quebec.
Second, use the 200F method because it is easier to control. Both these points are in the text, but it is quite long so they may be missed.
Third, I use 5gr of good bud and 3oz of alcohol


Sit back and absorb the knowledge.................

The Definitive Green Dragon (Revised)

Here is the very successful result of a considerable amount of research into the elusive and magical Green Dragon.

This is a simple and efficient 4 Step process.

Ingredients:
1/8oz high quality cannabis
2 oz Bacardi Rum – 151 proof

Double the Recipe?
Sure, why not. It should be fine. But I prefer to err on the side of caution and would probably do the extraction twice with a self-titration in between runs.

Using an Ounce
The recipe should scale nicely from 1/8 to whole ounce. But, unless you have experience with smaller batches I'd recommend sticking with the recipe as written. It would be a shame to have something go wrong with a large batch. I strongly recommend making the GD a couple of times before trying to scale up.


Process Summary:

1. Chop cannabis very fine (coffee grinder works great)
2. Place in a shallow pan or aluminum foil and bake at 325°F for 5 minutes.
3. Remove from oven and place cannabis in 2 oz of 151 proof rum
4. Simmer in a water bath for 20 minutes. Maintain temperature of the rum/cannabis mixture between 170°F.
5. Strain the mixture and store.

Process details—references and rationalizations:

1. Chop the cannabis
More surface area gives means a faster and more efficient extraction.
-Leaf vs. Bud
I have not tried the extraction with leaf. But you would obviously need loads more. The problem is you will also need much more alcohol. My guess is you should use somewhere on the order of 10 parts alcohol to 1 part leaf. Then once you are finished you will want to remove the spent leaf, and then concentrate the alcohol by boiling off most of it (using the water bath of course) until you have one ounce of GD remaining.

2. Bake the cannabis.
This converts THCA to THC via a decarboxylation reaction.
In whole-plant cannabis, THC content is expressed as THCA (tetrahydrocannabolic acid) prior to decarboxylation into THC, which takes place when cannabis is heated during cooking, and smoked or vaporized ingestion. THCA is a mild analgesic and anti-inflammatory but does not have good affinity with our CB1 receptors, so in order to make a THC-rich tincture that has many of the same therapeutic effects as smoked ingestion (including rapid absorption, quick relief and ease of self-titration), we must convert the THCA in the plant matter into THC prior to extracting it through an alcohol soak. (from Vancouver Island Compassion Society hxxp://thevics.com/cannamist.htm)
THC vaporizes at about 380°F. We want to heat the cannabis to convert THCA to THC, but keep the temperature under 380°F. That is why 325°F is used. Between four and five minutes your oven (and house) will start to smell very strong. This is the time to remove the cannabis from the oven.

Notice also that there is considerable misinformation regarding heating the cannabis. It is true that you don't have to heat it to extract both THC and THCA, but the amount of THC in whole plant preparations is relatively small compared to after decarboxylation of the THCA. So if you want to maximize the strength of your tincture you must heat the cannabis prior to extraction.

Bake the pot at 325 degrees Fahrenheit for 5 minutes. I chop mine in a mini-prep (or chop by hand) until it is quite fine. Then I spread it out on a piece of aluminum foil which is placed directly on the oven rack. If you place the foil on a baking pan you will need to account for the additional mass of the pan which will increase your baking time. Pre-baking should stink up the house. I turn on the stove vent fan. I also do all my cooking at night after neighbors are in bed. Keep a close eye on it!

Note that OKSmokey uses 20 minutes at 200°F. I haven't tried this but he has had good success with this temperature.

I look for two indicators that the pot is properly pre-baked. First, I look for the pot to change color from it's initial shade of green to a much darker greenish-brown (or brownish-green). I assume this represents not browning (burning) of the leaf but rather the denaturation of the chlorophyll in the leaves.

Second, I look for a slight amount of vapors to rise off the pot. Since the temperature is well below the vaporization temperature of THC, these vapors probably consist of compounds that vaporize at lower temperatures (like water).


3. Use the highest proof alcohol available.
Where I live this is Bacardi 151. The more alcohol the more efficient the extraction will be.

4. Simmer the mixture.
This is one of the areas that seems to be most debated. Many recipes call for placing the cannabis (unbaked of course) into the alcohol and waiting 2 – 6 weeks. The main concern with heating the alcohol is that it is “explosive” (not exactly true...it is however flammable).

The purpose of the simmering is to heat the alcohol mixture to improve extraction rates and efficiencies. Heating during extraction increases the motion of the molecules (basic physics/chemistry) and drastically decreases extraction times. The boiling point of pure ethanol is 173°F (78°C). We will use the water bath to heat the rum/cannabis mixture to just below the boiling point of ethanol.

Heating the alcohol mixture can be done very safely using a hot water bath. You will need an accurate candy or quick read thermometer. Place about 1 inch of water in a wide, vertical-edged pan (9” diameter x 3” high). Bring the water to a low simmer. The rum/cannabis mixture should be in a small (1 pint) mason jar. Do NOT cover the jar.

Put the thermometer into the mason jar and place into the simmering water bath. Bring the temperature of the rum/cannabis mixture to about 170°F. The alcohol should be just barely boiling.

You should have the oven fan on high. You will notice that any alcohol fumes are mixed with water vapor from the water bath and vented out the fan. This combined with the fact that you are trying not to boil the ethanol makes the process quite safe.

I've had good success with extractions at 170 degrees fahrenheit. You'll note that my initial recipe called for maintaining temperature between 150 and 165. At 170 the alcohol mixture will be slightly boiling. Note that this is alcohol boiling not water boiling. Alcohol boils with very fine bubbles as opposed to the rolling boil of water. After 20 minutes the alcohol should be reduced by about half.

5. Strain and store.
When you are done extracting you will have one ounce (or so) of GD. But it is mixed up with the 1/8 oz of spent plant material. Here is how I recover the maximum amount of my extract.

First, I strain it through a regular kitchen mesh strainer. I use the back of a spoon to force out as much GD as possible.

Next (this is the cool part) I use a garlic press to squeeze the remaining leaves. My preference is a Zylis Garlic Press because it has a plunger mechanism, but any press should do. I then put the squeezings into the plunger in batches, and squeeze the holy GD out of it. This trick has increased my overall recovery by about 15%

When you are finished with the extraction you will be left with about 1oz of green dragon tincture after you have strained the extract. Notice that one ounce of the alcohol has evaporated. See the tips below for a good way to strain the tincture.

A standard eyedropper will transfer about 1ml (or 1 gram) of liquid. There are 29 milliliters in one ounce. So you should end up with about 30 or so full eyedroppers (30 milliliters) of Green Dragon.
Final Color and Smell
The green dragon should be a greenish-brown color (more brown than green). If it is emerald green and smells like grass (from the cholorphyll), it will be weak. Emerald green indicates that the pre-baking was not sufficient. The GD should smell like bud, somewhat floral.

6. Dosage. Titration.
You will have to figure dosage with each batch. And you must test it on yourself. The way to do this is through titration (a fancy chemical term that means to determine the concentration of a solution). The concentration of GD will change based on the strength of the starting material, the amount of alcohol you boil off during the extraction, the efficiency of your pre-bake, etc.

Start with one or two full dropperfuls (not drops! About 1 ml per dropper) and swallow them down. Check the time and note when you first feel effects, when you peak, the intensity of the peak, and how long it lasts. Make sure you can reproduce your titration (empty stomach, time of day, diluted in water?, etc). If you like what you feel, great. If too much or not good enough try again tomorrow with a different amount. With two points (high and low) you should have a pretty good idea of how it works on your body. Of course it might be different on someone considerably bigger or smaller.

For instance one batch I made was unbelievably strong--1 dropperful and I was flying. The next one took 3 dropperfuls for same effect (but the solution was more dilute as I ended up with 1.75oz instead of 1oz of final GD, the pot wasn't as good, and my pre-bake was a bit too short since I was using an unfamiliar oven and a baking pan instead of just aluminum foil).

One milliliiter (one full eyedropper) is very nice. Two puts you in space. But you must self-titrate (test it on yourself) as each batch will be slightly different. Effects take up to 1.5 hours to begin (at least in myself) and lasted for 5 hours (1 dropper) to 7-8 hours (2 droppers).

I place one eyedropper (1ml) of Green Dragon in a small glass. I then add a small amount of water (1-2 ml) and drink. Do this on an empty stomach for best results (about 20-30 minutes before eating a main meal is good).

Everybody is different. It takes me between 30-90 minutes to feel the effects of Green Dragon (depending on how much food is in my stomach).

I had tried a tincture someone had made using the cold extraction method with the same amount of cannabis and found that 5 ml (5 full eyedroppers) did pretty much nothing.

Using my Green Dragon technique I find that one dropper will bring effects on in 30-90 minutes and last 5 hours with 1.5 hours of lingering aftereffects.

Two droppers gave me a "spiritual dose" (as strong as any brownie I ever had). Effects lasted 7-8 hours with lingering effects for 2 more hours.

How much is in an Eyedropper
An eyedropper holds about one milliliter of liquid, depending on how hard you squeeze the little bulb. For water based solutions one milliliter weighs about one gram. Thus each full eyedropper contains about one gram of liquid. Since there are about 29 grams in one ounce, you get about 29 full eyedroppers in every ounce. The eyedropper I initially used measured 34 full droppers in an ounce.

Also I use the nice blue two-ounce dropper bottles from the health food store that are used for essential oils, tinctures, and/or other extracts

This means that 1/8oz of good cannabis yields about 30-34 doses of tincture (1 dropperful is really all I need). For me it is much more pleasant than smoking (I've stopped smoking entirely).

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Combined Tips and Techniques

1. Don't put the stuff in your eye ;-). And don't put it under your tongue because it burns. I now place the GD in a tablespoon (or so) of water--yum.

2. When is it Ready
Right away. That is one of the nice things about this extraction process.

3. Taste
I find that after a week in the fridge (that's where I store mine) the flavor seems to mature into a heady, slightly floral elixer with bud overtones. I find it rather pleasant.

4. Isopropyl Alcohol
DON'T USE IT!

Enjoy. :canabis:
 
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Don Cotyle

Thanks DruglyDoRight!!! I've beem looking for a more detailed reciepe and you have taken the time to type this one out!!!

Now in my area I hace access to some moonshine and my guy turns out his in the 97% range!!! So I'd like to make a half liter batch and refresh the container or top off my container with fresh clean shine! Do you know how long Green Dragon will last??? If it does indeed last a good while I'd like to make a liter or more in one batch!

There are some crazy partys around here and I'd like to bring a bottle and give out doses! Should be fun and interesting!
 

Grow Tech

I've got a stalk of sinsemilla growing in my back
Veteran
It should keep a loooooong time! I keep my tincture in the freezer.
 
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Don Cotyle

Thanks Grow Tech! I do belive I'll just go ahead and make a liter batch!!! That should keep me and friends happy for a good while ;)
 
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Don Cotyle

Hi CaptnTrips! HAHAHAHAhahahaha!!! Hell No these boys learned from their dads and grandfathers and so on back thru the generations!!! Nothin but the best!!! They throw away the Heads and toss the Tails back into the next batch! I known these boys all my life...and when I say boys I'm sayin...Good Ole Boys...hell they use the grain they grew on their farm!!! HAHAHAHAhahahaha radiater...use a 1" spiraled copper line in a 6" copper tube with cold stream water pumped in the bottom of the 6" and out the top 10' back...run 3-4 55 gallon barrels at a time! You might be able to find equal but none better!!!

Thanks for being concerned though my friend!!! Don!
 

accessndx

♫All I want to do is zoom-a-zoom-zoom-zoom..
Veteran
Nice Drugley! This is just what I was looking for. Thanks man. Some + rep. for ya' troubles.
 

tWeedleDee

Member
Not to bring up an older thread but...

Has anyone tried this? Are the results really as they are stated in the write-up? Because if so that guy is getting high for 5 hours off .1 grams of bud. I mean, I have limited food/drink cannabis consumption experience but I understood that at least 1-2 grams needed to be ingested for the desired effects.
 

JRace

Member
Tried making 4 different batches, none were very powerful.
Used Trim (twice), Bud and Hash.
Used Bacardi 151 proof.
Temps closley monitored with candy thermometer.

I normally am very accepting of edibles. Cookies always knock me on my ass!
I just use cannbrex now and it always works.
 
JRace said:
Tried making 4 different batches, none were very powerful.
Used Trim (twice), Bud and Hash.
Used Bacardi 151 proof.
Temps closley monitored with candy thermometer.

I normally am very accepting of edibles. Cookies always knock me on my ass!
I just use cannbrex now and it always works.

I'm looking to make Marijuana Lollipops. The recipe I am going to use calls for Tincture. Can I make tincture with headie chronic trim? If so, how much trim should I use? I'm concerned with your post, and want to make sure it worth doing!
 

JRace

Member
As you can see results vary per person. Unsure why I never had good success, and I cam across a better method (cannabrex) for my needs (medicating consistently)

I advise starting with a small batch, follow directions closely.
Get a candy thermometer to monitor temps.

Your trimmings should work fine.
 

boroboro

Member
A lot of these threads seems to show the effects varying widely between different people. I think tinctures are great, but that's just me. I can't see getting 30 doses per 1/8 ounce, though, and I'm a lightweight.

For me it's about 60-80 solid doses for 1.5 ounces of decent bud simmered in 750 ml Bacardi 151 rum.
 
Bacardi 151 is a little weak. If you can get your hands on some 94% from Quebec or some 94% Everclear from the US, you will notice much better results.

I normally only take 2 ml at one time. I have great results that last 4 hours with this. The more you take, the higher you get and the longer it lasts.

I also recommend using bud. I have used shake with minimal results. Bud is best. Try 5 gr of bud and 3 oz of 94% and you will not be disappointed. :D
 

grumio

Member
Well, I live in California, where you can't easily get 190 ethanol, so I first made tincture with 151 everclear, & it worked great. I bought a 1.75 liter bottle of 190 everclear in North Carolina, mailed it home & used it for tincture. The difference in potency was too small to justify the extra expense. If I had a choice I'd use 190, but 151 works fine (I've never used rum).

My recipe, briefly: 4 grams herb, ground & toasted, simmered in 3 oz alc (in a water bath) for ~20 minutes, strain/press, simmer the plant matter again in 1 oz alc for ~10 minutes, strain, press, combine. This should give about a 50% reduction, nice & neat - 4 grams herb, 4 oz alc = 2 oz tincture, about 60 ml.

2-3 ml is just great for me.
 
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Godless

Thanks much for posing this recipe. I have a few cans of green that is older and dried out and I figured this would be a good experiment for a bad weather day. I went to the store today and couldn't find 151. I was just about to bail on the idea when I spotted a bottle of Everclear - 95% alcohol! On the label it has two warnings:

CAUTION!!
EXTREMELY FLAMMABLE
handle with care

WARNING!!
OVERCONSUMPTION
MAY ENDANGER
YOUR HEALTH

No shit. Just taking a whiff of it was enough to curl my nose hairs.

I followed the recipe to a T. The only snags I had were:

1. The mixture was boiling pretty fiercely but my therm read 160. The therm is one of those metal spike things meant to measure internal meat temps, so maybe it just wasn't the right kind of therm for the purpose.

2. I didn't really think ahead what I'd do when the mix was ready to strain. I poured it into a coffee filter, put on an exam glove on and squeezed the filter till it was dry. Found a nearly empty echinacea bottle and funneled the mix into there.

I put a couple drops under my tongue just because I am a "push the red button that is labeled don't press this button" kinda guy. I kept it there for .5seconds and I think that spot will probably take a few days to feel normal again. Lesson learned. I had a dropperful with a little water 45 mins ago and I am feeling "liftoff"

Smoking is fun and all, but this is damn convenient for occasions where it just isn't cool to puff out.

Mmm - coming on stronger now. Oh yes - just the right dose. Off to enjoy it...
 
I'm a little confused. I'm interested in making some tincture, but I'm curious about the quantity. Is it really an 1/8 of weed to 2 oz of liquor? that's like a shot of booze, right? how could you fit so much weed into a shot glass even ground up? It seems like you'd need more liquor, right? IDK I'm no scientist and I certainly don't have experience with this, but would it be possible to make more of it or "water" it down a little bit, or would that be bad for the product?

This is a cool post. I think I'll try this soon.
 

grumio

Member
Keep in mind that a fair amount of the alcohol will evaporate off during the boiling. I do 4 grams of ground & toasted bud in 3 oz alc for 20 minutes, strain, press, then boil it again in another ounce of alcohol for 10 minutes, strain, press, mix the two washes. It yields ~2 oz finished tincture but (obviously) uses 4 oz alcohol.

You could dilute it with water after making the tincture. You want as little water as possible in the solvent, because water doesn't dissolve THC but does dissolve other things which aren't psychoactive and don't taste good. That's why you want to use the highest proof alcohol you can get.

I can't think of any reason to dilute it, though.
 

Rocky Mtn Squid

EL CID SQUID
Veteran
SQUID Goes Green

SQUID Goes Green

After reading this thread, I just had to try and make some of this. I closely followed the recipe posted by DrugelyDoRite, using 3 grams of bud and 2 oz's of Ever Clear 190 proof.......:yoinks:

Last night, before dinner, I took a dose of .75 ml, just to be on the safe side.
I was thoroughly numb from my head to my toes by desert time........:D

This morning, I took 1.25 ml before my morning coffee.........:canabis:

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It's still early day's for me, along my tincture path, but I could defintely get use to this........:wink:



:smoweed:
 

swishaman

Active member
We did this last night using 2g's blueberry and 1g of grapefruit. We used 190 proof Everclear.


Well... we ground up the bud on a glass pie dish, threw it in a preheated 325f oven. Baked for 4.5 - 5 mins. Put it into a small jar, added 2 oz everclear. Simmered everclear between 155-170f for 15~ minutes. Had to stop the simmering because we had already simmered down to a little over 0.7oz alcohol.

And then.... we let it cool down, took 1ml each in about 3 oz of water. waited and waited.
it somewhat kicked in, but not to any type of serious high? It was just a very light buzz, and smoking a bowl of the same type of bud easily overpowered it.

Decided to take some sublingually... Holy shit is this stuff nasty.

Waited more....still nothing significant...

So, I don't know... We messed up somehow, but I don't know how or when? Maybe we didn't bake it long enough? IDK...I'm kind of scared to try it again.... as this run cost me 3 g's of very good bud :|


*depressed*
 

Rocky Mtn Squid

EL CID SQUID
Veteran
Squid Goes Green pt. 2

Squid Goes Green pt. 2

OK.....I broke down and made another batch of Green Dragon. This time, I modified the way I made it. First off all, I grated up 6 grams of bud - 3 grams of GrapePunch, and 3 grams of LifeSaver - using a small food processor. It was like fine powder when I was done. Make sure the weed lies flat, not in a pile, when it's on the surface you bake it on. Second, I baked the weed @ 200 F for 20 minutes on a single sheet of aluminum wrap that was placed on top of a oven stone. Not satisfied with the way it looked, I then turned up the temp to 325 F for another 10 minutes. After that, the weed was steaming/trying to vaporize, and had turned color from green to light brown.

Third, I pre-heated everything on the stove so that water was already boiling and ready to go, when I placed the weed in my pyrex measuring cup with 3 oz. of everclear.

6 Grams of finely chopped pre-baked bud......:yoinks:..... into 3 oz. of Everclear....stir occasionally.

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I then boiled my brew @ exactly 170 F until I was left with half, about 1.75 oz. This took about 33 minutes for me to complete. I was much more precise in keeping my boiling temperature @ exactly 170 F this time, and it seems to have made a difference. It looks brown in the bottle, and turns green when you mix it in a shot glass with some water.

I took 2, one ml. squirts - 2 ml. total - last night and it kicked my ass........:gaga:....when I woke up on the couch hours later, I could barely drag my ass to bed. It gives you both a very strong body and head high that is difficult to achieve smoking and/or vaping. This batch is very powerful.......:smoker:....and I would highly recommed it for those wanting an alternative to smoking.

My girl friend has a shoulder injury with scar tissue that gives her pain and discomfort every night when she sleeps. She took 1.25 ml. last night after dinner, and slept like a baby all night long pain free.
 

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