Golden Advice to New Growers

[RequiredUsername]

Some interesting points there RU,
Maybe I can chip in with some info
selfing plants does not breed hermaphrodism into their filial generation or produce weaker offspring. At least not right away.
The process is called recombination and mutation and while part of a filial generation can absolutely carry hermie traits, this is not affected let alone induced by where the pollen is coming from, the same plant or a different male one. A plant prone to hermies will likely pass this trait on to some part of its progeny, selfing it is not triggering this process more or less than any other pollination.

The 12-5.5-1-5.5 schedule works, I have tried it myself, but are you sure it benefits the plants? I get the electricity saving aspect, but the schedule seems rather unnatural to me and I wonder if it really makes plants grow better when it is not found anywhere in nature on this planet?
I found my plants to develop a bit weird under this regimen.

CC

After the discovery of photoperiodism about a 100 years ago, it was discovered that plants could be kept in vegetative state when normally they would be exhibiting inflorescences. This is the vegetative schedule only. Not seedling, not flowering. To keep them in veg until you decide it's time.

Therefore light interrupting the dark period keeps the plants near a flowering light schedule and it for a lack of better description, makes them anxious to reproduce, show their sex quickly, and in a low stress state. Yes they respond to certain hours of darkness by producing compounds to change its growth from veg to flowers. However, it seems they may also be responding and monitoring useable light hours, and temperature, possibly even humidity levels in some strains, to adapt their growth and expression in real time... real time for a plant is super slow. They respond and operate on extremely low frequency. So when you do something bad to it, it makes a bad face eventually maybe 12 hours later. Then it keeps that bad face for about 2 weeks. After that it's back to business. Ever noticed that?

Anyway, recently in a vegetative box the automation was not reset properly. Light was increased on the seedling schedule in that box instead of veg. The box next to it, containing the same stable cannabis was set correctly at 12-1 veg. Didnt notice it for a while, but thought, same conditions, why not compare? The bad light schedule 16-8, has produced a different plant shape and growth pattern. I'll put the pictures up of side by side when I get back to the abandoned property.

 

[Wolverine97]

Oh no that bs again -.-' im out. Why ist there no reasonable communication possible with u?

I'm pretty sure this is a sock puppet account for MM. I won't type out his actual screen name, but enough people will know who I'm talking about.

 

[MROrganicGreenz]

I'm pretty sure this is a sock puppet account for MM. I won't type out his actual screen name, but enough people will know who I'm talking about.

You mean that boutique breeder that is so full of himself?

 

[Wolverine97]

"boutique"

The one who lies without shame, refuses to give a straight answer on anything, ever, and deletes any/all comments that call out his endless bullshit. That one.

 

[Wolverine97]

"This is known as 12-1 and keeps the plant in vegetative growth"

If Cannabis loves the dark why are you interrupting it for an hour in veg.

Tell us, does the "12/1 cycle" magically make my roots grow fatter or some shit?


The language you potheads use makes me think you're all actually the same person talking from multiple personalities.

In this case that is literally what is happening. That guy is a fake account by a fake "breeder" who advertises here. He does this all the time, has conversations with himself to try to back up his bullshit. Then unironically quotes himself as a source. Most people see straight through it, but he seems to sucker enough fools in.

 

[dogzter]

That is hilarious.

 

[Lester Beans]

Pretty sure it is a kid who recently discovered cannabis and is copy and paste from other forums, prob trollitup. It's a blend of all bro science ever spoken.

 

[Wolverine97]

His speech patterns are the same as MM, as are the terms he tosses around (and general concepts, which are universally wrong)... plus he was in one of his threads pumping up MM. I'm pretty sure I'm correct. He popped up a week after dude was busted using another sock puppet account in his own threads.

 

[Phytoplankton]

That's right. What we are seeing now as normal cannabis is actually dwarf cannabis. With 1500ppm c02 cannabis would easily be three times as big or bigger. So would many other life forms in that environment. Imagine a watermelon but 300% it's normal size! It's not the same for all plants, not all plants benefit so greatly from the same levels, but woody plants, (cannabis is a c3 woody plant) like cannabis love it.

I said I was out, but I can't stand it.

Quit making stuff up: First of all cannabis diverged from its common ancestor about 28 million years ago, when CO2 levels were close to what they are now (BWT, CO2 levels have risen 150% in the last 250 years as a result of the industrial revolution, it's called global warming!). The current CO2 level in the atmosphere is about 420 ppm, prior to the industrial revolution is was about 280 ppm, so plants are not hurting for CO2. The cannabis we're growing now is actually larger than than cannabis of millions of years ago.

"Based on the available fossil record, ancient cannabis plants were generally smaller than the cannabis plants commonly cultivated today, meaning they were not significantly larger in size."

Exactly. They breed hermaphroditism into the offspring everytime a plant is feminized to produce pollen for feminized seeds.

No they don't, hermaphroditism is part of the cannabis genome, it can occur in any seed/plant:

"Some growers believe that plants grown from feminized seeds are more likely to become hermaphrodites. In fact, feminized seeds are created by treating female plants with a chemical, typically silver nitrate, that causes them to herm. Breeders then collect the pollen and use it to fertilize other female plants. The resulting seeds are all female because neither parent can pass along a Y-chromosome.

The belief is that the hermaphrodite parent that contributed the pollen passed along epigenetic traits to the offspring that make it more prone to herming. However, this theory is anecdotal, and it has not been verified in any peer-reviewed studies. "

"Intersexuality is a fundamental part of the cannabis genome. Each individual plant simply has a greater or lesser tendency to turn hermaphrodite in response to different conditions. There is unfortunately no way of predicting a plant’s predisposition to hermaphroditism. With that being said, feminized seeds are no more likely to be hermaphrodites than any other seed, thanks to new techniques and technologies. "

Some plants go into photoprotection shut down near high noon near the equator. They actually stop for an hour or two then resume.

That is true, but cannabis is not one of them, nor is it a plant that requires a rest period (dark).

There's so much more misinformation being spouted, but I've devoted enough time to debunking.

 

[FTL]

Yeah, but you are also aware it is not sinsemilla and you have been smoking so much plant material your lungs hurt. If there ain't nothing else... why not you know? Logic.

people are giving you a second chance here after your initial posts in the American vs Dutch thread you made that you got a temp ban from for trolling.

You don’t seem to understand that the way you come across is is narcissistic.

You are trying to promote your knowledge for back pats whilst shitting on everyone else’ and saying they know nothing.

Classic narcissistic troll.

DO NOT INTERACT WITH THIS INDIVIDUAL IT ONLY FEEDS HIS NARCISM

 

[FTL]

 

[Phytoplankton]

people are giving you a second chance here after your initial posts in the American vs Dutch thread you made that you got a temp ban from for trolling.

You don’t seem to understand that the way you come across is is narcissistic.

You are trying to promote your knowledge for back pats whilst shitting on everyone else’ and saying they know nothing.

Classic narcissistic troll.

DO NOT INTERACT WITH THIS INDIVIDUAL IT ONLY FEEDS HIS NARCISM

Good advice!

 

[Airloom]

"Intersexuality is a fundamental part of the cannabis genome. Each individual plant simply has a greater or lesser tendency to turn hermaphrodite in response to different conditions.

I’m pretty slow to grasp chemistry or genetics but I really think this “intersexuality” is part of the cannabis genome and a survival thing.

I swear I’ve read statements here and elsewhere by very knowledgeable experienced growers that many cannabis traits are almost impossible to isolate and verify scientifically. I’m a novice cannabis grower and I am trying to learn more. I enjoy honest debate and constructive criticism.

The search for truth is noble and requires a suspension of disbelief or a willingness to accept the POSSIBILITY of something unexpected happening. I think it was @Stoneguru who said these disagreements involve both being right and being wrong. I agree!!


This plant is complex and beautiful and been around a long time. As someone else recently wrote somewhere here, we are in a golden age of information and perhaps, perhaps, we can salvage or improve some of the genetics rather than harm them. We can do that by sharing experience and ideas and agreeing to disagree.

I used to read a lot, not so much anymore. A house I once rented had a beautiful wooden built in bookshelf filled with a very eclectic mix of topics and genres. Many parts of these books have stayed with me for over 30 years and contained wisdom and humility. Some of these books contained both.

“No man is your friend, no man is your enemy, every man is your teacher”



Just an old snowflake learning new tricks…..

 

[Phytoplankton]

I really think this “intersexuality” is part of the cannabis genome and a survival thing.

It absolutely is a survival thing. That is the premise behind rodelization, where an otherwise unfertilized all female plant starts to produce "nanners" or single male flowers very late in the flowering process. It's the plants last ditch attempt to pass its genes to a new generation. Prior to silver treatments, rodelization was the original way to produce feminized seeds. As Malcom in Jurrasic Park said "Life finds a way".

To my knowledge the complete cannabis genome has not been mapped. It's a long and arduous process. I worked at the laboratory that first began mapping the human genome in 1990, the project was completed in 2003.

 

[H e d g e]

I suspect it’s possible to train dogs that can sniff out herms in early veg, just not mine.

 

[Airloom]

 

[FTL]

After the discovery of photoperiodism about a 100 years ago, it was discovered that plants could be kept in vegetative state when normally they would be exhibiting inflorescences. This is the vegetative schedule only. Not seedling, not flowering. To keep them in veg until you decide it's time.

Therefore light interrupting the dark period keeps the plants near a flowering light schedule and it for a lack of better description, makes them anxious to reproduce, show their sex quickly, and in a low stress state. Yes they respond to certain hours of darkness by producing compounds to change its growth from veg to flowers. However, it seems they may also be responding and monitoring useable light hours, and temperature, possibly even humidity levels in some strains, to adapt their growth and expression in real time... real time for a plant is super slow. They respond and operate on extremely low frequency. So when you do something bad to it, it makes a bad face eventually maybe 12 hours later. Then it keeps that bad face for about 2 weeks. After that it's back to business. Ever noticed that?

Anyway, recently in a vegetative box the automation was not reset properly. Light was increased on the seedling schedule in that box instead of veg. The box next to it, containing the same stable cannabis was set correctly at 12-1 veg. Didnt notice it for a while, but thought, same conditions, why not compare? The bad light schedule 16-8, has produced a different plant shape and growth pattern. I'll put the pictures up of side by side when I get back to the abandoned property.

 

[dogzter]

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Best post in the thread.

 

[FTL]

Best post in the thread.

Actual photo of OP