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Golden Advice to New Growers

RequiredUsername

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Yes. There is a lot of disinformation out there to turn you into a good consumer spending a good amount of money on things that dont work or you dont need. Unfortunately it's going to be rough for new people. There are vested interests wanting to screw up your grow just to sell you products to fix it, and worse.

(I'm talking as if you are growing indoors)

Lets get rid of the first myth. The recent invention of cannabis botany is a scam. There is only botany. We don't study the recent invention and its belief system.

Instead we study science, long standing horticultural techniques to grow it the right way.

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First, cannabis is a short-day plant (long-night). In horticulture the correct way to grow short-day plants is: seedling 14 to 18 hours light. Vegetative stage: 12 hours lights on, 5.5 darkness, 1 hour light, 5.5 hours of darkness. This is known as 12-1 and keeps the plant in vegetative growth. Flowering: remove the one hour light in dark period. 12 hours lights on, 12 hours lights off. Now, each week shave off a little time. 30 minutes. So week 2 is - 11.5 lights on, 12.5 lights off. Keep doing this. If growing narrow leaf cannabis you want to get down to 8 hours lights on for that last week. Indica you want to go to 6 hours light that last week. This is what makes cannabis and all long-night plants happy. You get compact lush plants that ooze resin because they are happy.

The dirty trick is... they tell ya to grow it like it's a long-day plant. The exact opposite of what its evolution has made it for!

If you follow the cannabis scam, your plants are not going to be happy, stressed, because they are telling you to treat it like a long-day plant. So when you switch to flower, it's going to stretch like crazy. You dont want to be growing a bunch of stem on stressed plants. So dont fall for that bullshit. Just use the horticultural science for short-day plants. 12-1 and 8-16.

Just watch for the retarded statement: "Cannabis loves light!" - False.
It actually loves darkness. And you know why. Because it's a short day, long night plant. It's obvious. In india cannabis has been associated with Shiva, for thousands of years, and Shiva is the darkness, emptiness. Cannabis, yeah it needs light, but prefers darkness. Just like you must work to get food. It's not going to get more than 8 hours of intense light in nature.

Some plants go into photoprotection shut down near high noon near the equator. They actually stop for an hour or two then resume. On some strains you can visibly see them droop at hour 12 or 14 if they are under the wrong light schedule. That droop is photoprotection, the plant isnt doing anything. Transpiration has stopped. Its passed out asleep with full tanks. Blasting it with more light is just waste of electricity and it makes the soil dry out faster and you are watering/feeding more. Makes the room hotter. Bugs like this situation.

Next scam, seeds, genetics. There has been 30+ years of bad breeding practices that have left the state of cannabis genetics in a crisis.
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For good marijuana, or medical marijuana you are going to need good genetics of regular seeds, not feminized or autoflowering

Autoflowering is a cannabis drug plant that has been crossed with a type of edible hemp called ruderalis. This is why their drug content is weaker and the effects last only about 20 minutes. These hemp hybrids are junk.

Feminized seeds are made by stressing the female, using chemicals to induce hermaphroditism, where it produces male sex organs, male flowers which have the pollen to make feminized seeds becaus there is no y chromosome. In nature, biology, the organism does what made the organism successful and in this case it is the hermaphroditic plant that was successful, so that trait is passed on.

Feminized seeds carry that now amplified hermaphroditic trait and it can pop up at anytime. Here is a feminized plant going hermie at week 6.5 see the yellow bananas? Now you know why they tell you to harvest these "fast finishers" so quickly.
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Feminized/Hermaphrodites can ruin your entire grow. You can't trust those seeds.

On top of that, these artificial creations have weaker pest, mildew, and plant pathogen resistance. They also do not produce sinsemilla (true medical weed.) If you let them flower longer they will turn hermaphroditic or go into bud rot, or both. It never makes sinsemilla. They also require more watering, more nutrients. So they do actually cost more to grow. Imagine that, paying more to grow mediocre weed.

Their plan was for you not to be able to produce your own seeds, but be dependent on the seed company. Recurring payments. Unfortunately there is a lot of junk out there, and a lot of people who are ready to exploit you.

Additionally, you cant trust a single thing these seedbanks say. I recently read a description of "Mazar-I-Sharif" on one of these sites. Their description is that it's a three way hybrid, skunk and 2 others I cant remeber.

Mazar-I-Sharif... a skunk polyhybrid?
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....This is intentional misrepresentation and marketing fraud. Mazar is a landrace IBL that goes back centuries. I trust 3 people for my seeds. People, not companies.

So maybe a few seed suppliers are not that way, but the problems along with it is so widespread and product so misrepresented that its wiser to bypass all of that altogether. Why take the risk when you dont have to.

So, if you dont want to be one of the cows to be milked, this is golden advice.

Study horticulture and how it relates to short-day plants and cannabis, not the recetly invented "cannabis botany" disinformation. Use regular cannabis seeds from a breeder you can trust for high quality genetics. Probably wont find them on google or paid advertisements by seed companies. If you need some good genetics to get started, people like us are still out there. And they spend a lot of money and have a lot of clowns erasing this stuff to keep the info away from you so you stay hypnotized, believing, buying, and repeat. That dependency, is slavery. And I am against slavery of all kinds.

Take care.
 
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RequiredUsername

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As someone with a botany degree, I can tell you that you're way off base and have misinterpreted much of the info you've gleaned. You make statements, but provide no scientific evidence to back up your claims.
I'm not writing a scientific article to submit for peer review. It's a cannabis forum, genius. Do your own research like everyone else. Which statement are you proving false? Where is your evidence it is false?

Did you take the blue acid? You aren't on campus right now.

Here is evidence that feminized pollen as a building block is weak.
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leprechaunleaf

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Many people seem to follow along with others blindly without thought. The OP has obviously put a lot of thought into this and MAY be providing valuable information. Just because he is swimming away from the school does not mean he is wrong. I found this to be very interesting and will do more research into it....

In particular, I will be reading up on short day and long day plants, this is new to me and I want to learn ! Thanks OP don't let anyone bother you here, thats just the way people are...

To the people slamming the OP, play nicely, or just leave the thread if it bothers you.
 

RequiredUsername

Well-known member
It doesnt. It says the pollen has lesser fitness. Says nothing about the offspring asaik. Also better double check on mdpi. Pretty bad journal, if u ask me
If an something is not very healthy... what kind if offspring is the most likely outcome?

Should hermaphroditism be bred into medical cannabis, or should it be bred out of medical cannabis?
 

Porky82

Well-known member
Many people seem to follow along with others blindly without thought. The OP has obviously put a lot of thought into this and MAY be providing valuable information. Just because he is swimming away from the school does not mean he is wrong. I found this to be very interesting and will do more research into it....

In particular, I will be reading up on short day and long day plants, this is new to me and I want to learn ! Thanks OP don't let anyone bother you here, thats just the way people are...

To the people slamming the OP, play nicely, or just leave the thread if it bothers you.
I've been playing around with light hours in veg for a while now and have experimented with everything from 24 hours continuous to 14 hours on 10 off.
Now this is with multiple strains over about 6 grows so this is by no means scientific it's just my observations.
I find plants are more vigorous and just simply look healthy with 15 hours or less in veg.
After having a look into the flowering light time I think I'm going to try reducing the light to 10 hours in flower this run and see what happens as the only other time I've done anything other than 12/12 was years ago when I had a few Sativa heavy plants and dropped to 11/13 about half way through. Really only did it to see if they would finish a bit faster.
 

FTL

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This hard wired 12/12, 18/6 scheduling stems from the indoor pioneers only having analogue timers and later on very basic digital timers.

This lighting strategy worked(On select plants) and it’s been passed down as gospel. The need for maximizing the turn around of the crop is from commercialization and greed not maximizing quality.

look at the sun and the way it gradually adjusts through the seasons and the difference in length of summer days compared to winter days.

Now take a holiday and see how its slightly, Or drastically, different depending on how far you travel from home.

New technology is allowing us to get closer to allowing us to replicate outdoor environments indoors.

This should be a primary goal of indoor growing: to replicate the majic of Mother Nature as much as possible.
 

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