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goal:pre-fertilized coco+water only

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purpledomgoddes

pom japanese maple organic fertilizer npk: 4-8-5
pom bulb food organic fertilizer npk: 3-8-8

gh fnb npk: 4-8-7

never used ff, or pom. are they similar to fnb? anybody tried both w/ similar results?
 
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purpledomgoddes

what chemical process makes a dry fertilizer 'time release'?

can this method be duplicated diy?

if so, could a gardener turn the dry fert maxi bloom, into a slow/time release fert, diy?

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becoming too complicated. want it to stay simple. above q's only apply if relatively easy to replicate process.
 
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purpledomgoddes

dongle69 said:
I couldn't say about a full seasons' worth.
I use about 1-2 tsp/gal in hydro.
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gh fnb states npk of 4-87

gh maxi bloom states npk of 5-15-14

have you, or any other gardener, ran both? differences?
 
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dongle69

Those npk ratios aren't comparable in that form because one is dry and one is liquid.
The ratios are based on weight.
MaxiBloom and FloraNova Bloom have almost the same nutrient profile.
Check out the nutrient profile calculator.
There is also a spreadsheet that you can download.
Both available here:
http://www.angelfire.com/cantina/fourtwenty/articles/profiles.htm
Yes, I have run them both.
MaxiBloom lacks the humic/fulvic that FNB has.
I use Floralicious Plus to add the humic/fulvic to MaxiBloom, along with many other benefits.
Still cheaper to run the MaxiBloom/Floralicious Plus combo than FloraNova Bloom.
I have found MaxiBloom easier to use (no shaking) with a longer shelf life.
Performance seems the same.
 
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purpledomgoddes

dongle69 said:
Those npk ratios aren't comparable in that form because one is dry and one is liquid.
The ratios are based on weight.
MaxiBloom and FloraNova Bloom have almost the same nutrient profile.
Check out the nutrient profile calculator.
There is also a spreadsheet that you can download.
Both available here:
http://www.angelfire.com/cantina/fourtwenty/articles/profiles.htm
Yes, I have run them both.
MaxiBloom lacks the humic/fulvic that FNB has.
I use Floralicious Plus to add the humic/fulvic to MaxiBloom, along with many other benefits.
Still cheaper to run the MaxiBloom/Floralicious Plus combo than FloraNova Bloom.
I have found MaxiBloom easier to use (no shaking) with a longer shelf life.
Performance seems the same.
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never used floralicious plus. but use floralicious bloom, which has humic acid in it. add more humic acid on top of that.

before any of that, grind up plant success myco tabs and place in coco.

am considering using only dry molasses, hort. cornmeal, and humic acid w/ endo/ecto myco as ferts, pre-mixed into coco media. wonder how far along theyll get in flowering before wanting this/that? will attempt above, or thereabouts, w/ only water in 1 bucket.

becoming more convinced that plants really dont need much npk-c-m-s consistently; but rather, need them @ key stages of growth in large amounts, then bunch of water. can literaaly see how much water is used by plants daily, and if dont feed nutes for 1-2 weeks, they are still healthy.
 
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*mistress*

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experiment w/ feeding only plant success myco tabs [17-9-5] (added to medium @ 1st transplant), and molasses [1-0-5].
in black gold coco blend (includes worm castings [1.5-2.5-1.3]).



w/ only tap water, and no run-off dumped, no issues...
the [n] in the myco tabs got ate up by the time flush came (3 weeks to harvest). worm casting and molasses deal w/ [p-k].
results comparable to gh fnb, in same method.
 
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Lazyman

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Maybe some composted guano or rabbit poop in the coco? I would also search for dry time release ferts and find one that has the NPK you want, and what the discharge rate is for a daily watered medium? Just thinking how I would find the nutes I would need. I hear there's a place selling dried powdered fulvic etc. in grams and such, they sell 1/8 gram spoons with their stuff, lol. I'll find the name and post it here.
 
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*mistress*

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Lazyman said:
Maybe some composted guano or rabbit poop in the coco? I would also search for dry time release ferts and find one that has the NPK you want, and what the discharge rate is for a daily watered medium? Just thinking how I would find the nutes I would need. I hear there's a place selling dried powdered fulvic etc. in grams and such, they sell 1/8 gram spoons with their stuff, lol. I'll find the name and post it here.
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heres an orgainc choice:

sweet earth rose & flower fertilizer - npk: 4-6-2
derived from: bone meal, dried poultry waste, cottonseed meal, feather meal, kelp meal and alfalfa meal.

also contains:
2% humic acids derived from leonardite

&

endo + ecto mycorrhyzae

&

bacillus, etc...

recommened use:
always mix fertilizer with soil for maximum results.

w/ plant success myco tabs @ 17-9-5, and ^ molasses, few teaspoons of this should be plenty...

enjoy your garden!
 
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*mistress*

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possible pre-mixed-fertilized coco ingredients:

black gold coco blend
black gold earth worm castings
generic coco bricks
perlite
cornmeal
humic acid
fulvic acid
beneficial microbes & mycorrhizae
dry molasses



bg coco blend + generic coco bricks + generic perlite

cornmeal (fungicide. attracts tricoderma beneficial microbes. horticulral grade >coins)

molasses

tap water
 
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*mistress*

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dry horticultural molasses
Molasses.gif
 
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DEDHEDFRED

You`ll haveta excuse me cuz I`m a GH 3 part user for almost 15 yrs but if I could rival the explosive veg growth in coco and flower girth with an organic medium pre-charged with everything the plant needed thru the whole cycle using only water and a foliar spray well then sign me up............I ran coco for a few yrs with GH 3 part @ 1/2 strength so I know what the plants are capable of.........

I just find it hard to absorb comparable yields from regular nutes versus water only with a time-released kinda situation pre-charged medium ......

Yields would haveta suffer from lack of regular juice but that`s just me and I`m dyin for someone to show me the way cuz I`m sick of buyin nutes while bein retired and growin for personal now gives me the freedom to experiment on easier setups but not worryin bout production rooms...............

Thanks for your time and effort in helpin the community Mistress cuz you`re wick thingy with a catch basin that holds runoff and then feeds it back to the plants via the wicks as the plants eat and the medium dries out is just this side of genius........

Do you hold a constant level of runoff as a reserve rez like Hempy`s with an overflow or how`s that work........

Head`s cloner comesta mind with your setup for bigger plants but the wicks are in perlite in the cloner but nonetheless form follows function.........

Looked at earth boxes hard but still think that`s too much juice in the bottom of the container without air bubbles that could go stagnant and turn anaerobic.......Dunno.........

The OBBT`s look cool but nothing to compare em to side by side.......

Guess this old fart`s about ta travel down the organic highway as long as it don`t cost too much...........Tightass over here tryinta keep it cheap.........

Thanks again and sorry for bein so long-winded........Peace..............DHF..........:joint:
 
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grow nerd

By mudding it up and reducing aeration and partially negating the very benefits of coco.

IME plain, un-fcked-with coco and a good feeding regimen works best.
 
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headfortrinity

The botanicare pure line of granular fertilizers work well when used with other nutes. I'm using them with some plants in organicare coco mix supplementing with humic acid, fish emulsion and some bat guano for bloom.
If you want to set it and forget it, you could use powdered fish or poultry feathers for N and guano for P, with some humin mixed in and maybe some trichoderma. Use organic powdered and granulated fertilizers instead of liquid ferts so they take time to release the goodness.
 
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*mistress*

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5 gal mix:

black gold coco blend
(1/4)

generic coco brick
(1/4)

earth worm castings
(1/4)

perlite
(1/4)

rose & flower 4-6-2 w/ myco + humic acid
(1/2 cup. box directions for 5 gal)

corn meal
(5 tbspn)

blackstrap molasses
(5 tbspn)

used coffee grounds
(1 cup)

tap water only...
 
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GreenThumbBumb

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headfortrinity said:
The botanicare pure line of granular fertilizers work well when used with other nutes. I'm using them with some plants in organicare coco mix supplementing with humic acid, fish emulsion and some bat guano for bloom.
If you want to set it and forget it, you could use powdered fish or poultry feathers for N and guano for P, with some humin mixed in and maybe some trichoderma. Use organic powdered and granulated fertilizers instead of liquid ferts so they take time to release the goodness.
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yes look into this, its their organicare line, made for coco, they have a grow and bloom, but it does say to feed at half strenght sith reg nutes
http://www.horticulturesource.com/product_info.php?products_id=7285
 
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bonecarver_OG

the worst coco harvest i ever had was when i mixed wormcastings into the mix :(

it fucks up the ph too much and all the benfits of coco are lost. also the density of wormcastings is extremelly high and working agaisnt the rapid drainage in coco.

the rapid drainage is one of the most important key factors of succesfull coco growing.

now, im not saying its impossible to grow like this, but expect quality, similar to soil grown.

it will not be comparable to grow in coco at all.

im for one for moving this thread to the organic forum, since it does not have much to do with actuall coco growing as i see it.

you are pretty much making a organic soil less mix,.

wrong forum girl! :D

peace
 
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bonecarver_OG

so this is obviously an organic soil less mix grow.

no further discussion is necesary :D

hehe sorry for the "presumtious" comments. i preffer hydro and coco nugs because of many reasons. hehe

the difference is huge from adding molasses or panela a few times during flowering to have an entirelly pre made soil less mix.

im not slagging of the method or anything. but this forum is specifically for coco growing, and for ease of use of the forums, its best to post things in their specific areas.

not in anyway is anything you writing in the post above changing that :D

peace



wrong forum :D
 
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