Go f**k yourself - fem seeds from the same plant and

[thebaronofsd]

Hi,

Apologies for my ignorance on these topics, I'm reading but have some questions.

Say I take a two clones from the same plant, spray colloidal silver on the one, breed those two.

The resulting seeds won't be 'clones' they'll pickup all the possible pheno expressions that the plant could have been that I cloned from correct?

Is there ... rather should I treat 'reverse Caitlyn' 'males' any different than 'pre gender fluid' aka normal males as it pertains to breeding? with a specific ask to same plant source for both male and female, is this frowned upon? is it useful for quickly getting seeds that have a high chance of expressing the trait it was selected for?

Like say I wanted to make my own strain, from what i've read to really do this and stabilize is way beyond my physical environment's ability - i dont have that much room for thousands of seeds/plants/etc. I know i'm just a hobbyist and this may take a decade but in my line of work (large scale cloud infrastructure) there are standards, ones offs, and things you know work and why you shouldn't ever use them in production ... unless.

if i'm willing to own the fact that any shortcut can only lead to a less stable result, are there tactics one can do on smaller scales to more quickly isolate desired traits?

back to reading through 50 articles.

 

[bigganjabud]

Hi,

Apologies for my ignorance on these topics, I'm reading but have some questions.

Say I take a two clones from the same plant, spray colloidal silver on the one, breed those two.

The resulting seeds won't be 'clones' they'll pickup all the possible pheno expressions that the plant could have been that I cloned from correct?

Is there ... rather should I treat 'reverse Caitlyn' 'males' any different than 'pre gender fluid' aka normal males as it pertains to breeding? with a specific ask to same plant source for both male and female, is this frowned upon? is it useful for quickly getting seeds that have a high chance of expressing the trait it was selected for?

Like say I wanted to make my own strain, from what i've read to really do this and stabilize is way beyond my physical environment's ability - i dont have that much room for thousands of seeds/plants/etc. I know i'm just a hobbyist and this may take a decade but in my line of work (large scale cloud infrastructure) there are standards, ones offs, and things you know work and why you shouldn't ever use them in production ... unless.

if i'm willing to own the fact that any shortcut can only lead to a less stable result, are there tactics one can do on smaller scales to more quickly isolate desired traits?

back to reading through 50 articles.

Are you asking for links to breeding threads?
Are you just ranting?

If you have a desirable male but don't have the space to flower him (I'm probably going to get roasted for the next bit but from what I've read, please lemme know if I'm wrong) if for example you were to openly pollonate a room for of maybe 20 clones from same mum that was fem then I believe you'll end up with fem seeds but wait for someone else to confirm I'm not 100% sure tbh

I know the phoenix is starting he's own seed line and doubletripleog has been making he's own beans for ages

There be a lot of knowledge in these ere pages man,
Word to the wise it's not what you ask it's how you ask it!!

Namestae

 

[Dropped Cat]

If you self known genetics, the downstream result is rather narrow.

To create your own cross is a good idea, so use two plants from
as different genetics as you can verify.

If both are female keepers, do a reverse cross on two pairs,
and you'll have a wider range of dominant genes to choose from.

One male and female of each variety. Mix and match.

Use back crosses to selected female F2's to reinforce the traits you want.

Yes, after the F1, you should do an open pollination with as many plants
that will fit in your grow, at least three females to one male.

That F2 cross will shuffle the genetic deck of cards, so to speak.

Eighteen to twenty-four months project time.

Keep us posted, and good luck, we're all counting on you.

 

[Natural high]

Say I take a two clones from the same plant, spray colloidal silver on the one, breed those two. The resulting seeds won't be 'clones' they'll pickup all the possible pheno expressions that the plant could have been that I cloned from correct?

Is there ... rather should I treat 'reverse Caitlyn' 'males' any different than 'pre gender fluid' aka normal males as it pertains to breeding? with a specific ask to same plant source for both male and female, is this frowned upon? is it useful for quickly getting seeds that have a high chance of expressing the trait it was selected for?

It's called selfing (S1) and you don't need two clones, you can just reverse one branch of the same plant. Whilst all the genetic material in the offspring come from the same clone, no two plants will be identical due to the recombination which occurs during sexual reproduction or meiosis.

Further inbreeding beyond the S1 generation can reduce vigor as it increases the chance of deleterious recessive gene expression. You can often get a better result from introducing new genetics. For example; Crossing your favourite female with another female that has desirable qualities.

I hope this helps.

 

[WelderDan]

Your question is an interesting one. If nothing else, we can get a little discussion going.

You didn't mention what your clones were. If they are a hybrid, as I suspect, then reversing one of the cuts and pollinating the other will essentially get the same results as an F2.

Depending on the numbers, and it is all about the numbers, you will get some plants that are similar to the parents, some that express more of one side or the other, but you will see a lot of variation.

While not impossible, you will end up doing a lot of selection to get a stabilized strain. Multiple generations of selection.

Anybody can chuck two strains together and find a standout specimen. Stabilizing that special plant, now that takes skill. Read up on how Sam the Skunkman created Skunk #1. He worked with thousands of plants. Literally, he selected from thousands of plants, and it didn't happen overnight.

Now that being said, don't let anything I said deter you. Go for it. See what you get. We learn by doing. Sometimes we learn what not to do. But we are still learning. Hell, you might find something that blows the original clone out of the water. Now you have your own clone only.

 

[Natural high]

If both are female keepers, do a reverse cross on two pairs, and you'll have a wider range of dominant genes to choose from.

One male and female of each variety. Mix and match.

Hi Dropped Cat. It makes no difference whether one female or the other is the reversed female, all the seeds have the same genetic potential. The only thing that can be different is the size of the resultant seed, and that is determined by the size of that females calyx - the size of the womb so to speak.

The main reason why you might chose one female to reverse over the other is that some plants won't produce viable pollen in sufficient quantity.

 

[thebaronofsd]

Thanks all, I think I'm on page now.

@Welder Dan - this is pure hobby and I fully realize my physical footprint realities make this at a minimum a 5-10 year fight. if i had a bit more space lol ...

I'm just trying to make a strain for my wife. She gets really bad migraines and the pharmacy stuff all has side effects that just suck to manage so we prefer the finer points of cannabis to help her and some strains help more than others. Anyway, she wants her strain pretty so I'm starting with rainbow kush (hoping for one of the two rainbow phenos) and the first order of business will be to cross that with a 1:1 thc/cbd strain. from there ... yeah idk. this stuff is fascinating though and could easily keep me busy for a very long time.

 

[Dropped Cat]

Hi Dropped Cat. It makes no difference whether one female or the other is the reversed female, all the seeds have the same genetic potential. The only thing that can be different is the size of the resultant seed, and that is determined by the size of that females calyx - the size of the womb so to speak.

The main reason why you might chose one female to reverse over the other is that some plants won't produce viable pollen in sufficient quantity.

Yup, my bad, makes no difference gene wise.