Global WARMING ....a message.

[Budweiser13]

it seems like almost everybody on this thread is just some lazy stoners who like to nothing but complain. The fact that marijuana is illegal, global warming exists etc. is just proof that you're all getting bullied by the big man.

Soo what have you done to change anything ya lazy stoner i am by far lazy bro. I have not done shit to change it I sick of the global warming propaganda. i will now go back to being a lazy stoner..........sheeesh.........

 

[newbieb]

lol yea well i really tell anybody that'll listen ( really just for the fun of it ).

my whole english class is about global warming and its so damn interesting. i mean first theres electricity you could choose green air ( electricity from solar energy) why not do it and why not do etc. etc.. we caused hurricane katrina and so on. Its so big right now and nobody is doing anything about it, wow. its almost like denying the sky is blue.
the best i can do is do what the thread starter did. He might have just saved a life. some thing to think about

 

[newbieb]

a good book to read: field notes from a catastrophe
man, nature, and climate change
elizabeth kolbert

 

[Einsteinguy]

I think Global Warming is a myth. Why pick on C02. Most on here would agree higher co2 levels in Garden is GOOD. This would lead me to believe that the plants of the world are happier with more C02 in the air. Old Growth Forest will grow faster and Deserts will spread slower.

If the Globe is warming (there is no evidence of) why blame C02.

I'm sure the earth goes through warming and cooling phases but to claim that you have finally found the cause is a stretch, Like inventing the internet

The earth has no green house effect. Energy is released into space do to the earths traveling through space. Thus cosmic winds cool the earth .



Einstein

 

[trem0lo]

Dude would'nt it be trip if the sun just burnt out and died, it will it is a star and all stars die................

When the sun dies it will be horrible for anyone still living on the planet. It won't happen for a few billion years, but the sun will turn into a red giant and consume Mercury and Venus before torching the earth into a rock.

 

[newbieb]

I think Global Warming is a myth. Why pick on C02. Most on here would agree higher co2 levels in Garden is GOOD. This would lead me to believe that the plants of the world are happier with more C02 in the air. Old Growth Forest will grow faster and Deserts will spread slower.

If the Globe is warming (there is no evidence of) why blame C02.

I'm sure the earth goes through warming and cooling phases but to claim that you have finally found the cause is a stretch, Like inventing the internet

The earth has no green house effect. Energy is released into space do to the earths traveling through space. Thus cosmic winds cool the earth .



Einstein
what happens when co2 is put into the growroom: the temperature rises.

 

[marx2k]

I'm not a scientist.

There are several areas of environmental concern for me however.
-Solar Temperatue Elevation: this is new to me, I need to do some more reading (also see below)

I wouldn't worry too much about this. Overall, the sun has been a steady temperature for the past god-knows-how-long. I'd worry more about comets hitting the planet, killer bugs, etc.

-Global warming: there is literally thousands of times more concentration of CO2 in the atmosphere now than at any other time in certainly human, and possibly mammalian history (the research is out there, I'm not going into MLA here, haha)

I agree. And the fact that some people can't make the leap from more carbon = hotter planet is amazing to me.

-Global Dimming: thanks to all the particulate matter kicked into the atmosphere by industry and cars there's now a blanket of carbon surrounding the earth (some spots worse than others). This has the effect of mitigating the global warming by blocking a % of the suns rays. Environmental reform as currently incarnated (kyoto by and large) focuses much more on reducing the carbon over reducing other green house gases. The reduction in carbon, coupled with the continued rise in greenhouse gases will serve to accelerate the overall warming effect. (NOVA: Global Dimming from american PBS is a great show with corresponding Isreali and American light measuring from canal constrcution back in the 50's)

Yep this is a serious issue. Beyond carbon, there are also many other particulates in the air that block the sun's rays from us. The thing is, I'm not sure they block the heat from entering/escaping the earth. Earth-bound particulates don't go past a certain height in the atmosphere, but it IS below where the sun's rays enter and don't escape the planet. So it's like a layer of heat, then a layer of dirt, then us. But getting rid of the smog-causing particulates in the atmosphere would cause a serious problem if we don't get rid of the greenhouses gasses keeping the heats inside.

When I was a kid I remember something about when a star is dying it, ironically, looses light output but concurently heats up...not sure if that's at all applicable here. The other fun-uplifting-positive-outlook fact is that magnetic poles are weakening and reversing polarity...We could simply have our environment ripped from our planet's surface by solar winds, HOORAY!

The star basically just gets dimmer in the visible wavelength but continues giving off mass radiation and creates even more.

I dont think our poles are weakening, if I remember my teachings correctly.. they are reversing. In a couple hundred years time, they WILL reverse. Worst case scenario (as I think given by popular science magazine in 2005) will be a brief period of pole weakness which will not really cause that much more solar radiation but it will cause some serious shit to go down with satellites being hit by solar radiation. We also may have multiple poles! (more than two)

We will all be dead by that time, and if history is any teacher, the times this has happened previously in Earth's past didn't cause any catastrophes.

 

[Einsteinguy]

what happens when co2 is put into the growroom: the temperature rises.

Hi newbieb

Adding c02 to grow room will not increase temps. Using a c02 generator(Gas Burner) in a inclosed space will. I create c02 with water suger and yeast.

To increase temps in the air energy has to come from somewhere. C02 is a gas it can store energy(Heat) then release at a later time but it alone cannot create energy(Heat).

Here is a example. If you freeze C02 you get dry ice. The energy used to create is stored in . You can use that same energy to cool food . This is limited to how much energy is used to make it. After you have used the energy from the the dry ice it is back to C02 and cannot heat or cool anything because it has no energy source or stored energy.



Einstein

 

[Guest]

I don't see why people are still skeptical having been shown the evidence that the worlds heating up more each year and the weathers going crazy. We've had plants flower in the middle of winter here in the UK, the seasons are not as clear cut. The amazon rainforest caught fire for the first time last year in thousands of years. I reckon they should tax ganja and use the money to fight GW. proper green!

 

[Gangabiss]

Fuck solar power, wind power, recycling, carbon tax and all this stupid bullshit. None of that is going to make 1% of difference in the way we are heading.

Population is increasing now more than ever...so is epidemic disease and starvation. More and more rainforests (the backbone of our eco-system) are being cut down each year at an alarming rate.

Preaching solar power and recycling at this point is like trying to stop a steamroller with a grain of sand...the momentum built up is simply too great.

I really think the only realistic option at this point for saving the planet and ourselves is if a natural disaster wiped out a huge percentage of the population.
Either that or we need to uncover some new radical technologies that will enable us to reverse all the damage we've done...this may end up coming from our friendly big headed neighbours if need be.

I think the planet has many strategies for its salvation...after all it is the greatest lifeform that we know of and we ourselves are only tiny cells that make up the whole organism.

The planet could have extinguished us long ago when we started raping the Earth. This is why I believe we are in the process of doing something very important...we are being given an oppertunity to come into our birthright as a race of enlightened beings. Let's just hope we don't fuck it up...

2012

 

[Trichome Toker]

In the 1930s the majority of climatologists showed blatant evidence that we would have another ice age.

Either way, global warming is only a threat to the current life on earth, it is not like
global warming is going to split the earth in two or make it explode.

So have a disaster that would kill off most of the life on earth to stop global warming kind of defeats the whole purpose.

A natural disaster like that is going to kill more people than global warming ever could.

 

[Blunt_69]

A natural disaster like that is going to kill more people than global warming ever could.

. Did you watch the movie open minded??

What is funny to me is that people will ignore the blatent truth. I do not base my views soley on one mans opinion..As i grow up and been able to noticed sudel changes happening around me and my enviroment.Can you sit there and tell me you do not notice the same thing?It's a funny thing to see human nature take form, it's happening right here in this thread.

David Suzuki, Al Gore, enviromentalists. It doesnt matter who is delivering a message. It is a very REAL issue. Important enough to have people in any position, shed light upon it... there are not very many politicians that preach enviroment related issues. I am not from the united states, I can tell you as an outsider that doesnt know much about the man, I was stuck to that movie, he is an extreamly captivating speaker regarless of his "politician lifestyle"

You think some long haired hippy would be able to make it to an ultimate position to make real changes.. I dont think so. The only way to achieve that position is live the lifestyle, regarless if your veiwed as a hypocrite. From the little i know of Gore he seems to have continued to shed light on this issue for a VERY LONG TIME.

It is not about scaring the planet and people, It's about making a decision to fix our stupid ass methods that are leading us down a very unpredicatble path. Do we want to venture into the unknown like being displayed on that chart, or remain on the predicatable path that has continued througout the time of measurable data. Or is everybody lying???

There is no political gain gain in this. Goverments have real hard decisions to make to make real changes.

 

[Guest]

I dont think the debate is on global warming the numbers prove its a degree or what ever higher over the last 50 years, the debate is on whats causing it.

If you asked someone (a scientest) what 50 years is in the big picture of our planets life they would laugh in your face as that small amount of time is meaninless.


So the worst weather in human history is a joke, as recorded human history does not even get on a scale of the earths life.

People are so friggin vain they think the world began the day they were born LOL

 

[newbieb]

i dont get what you're saying sunburst. do you know how many warnings there are about global warming from scientist, alot. how do you know what a scientist would say. were not talking about our lives but of our childrens lives so forth

 

[guineapig]

The current warming trend is undoubtably accelerated by humans' influences, but keep in mind that in the last 2000 years there were 2 periods in which the Earth experienced a massive cooling effect......one period hit it's height around 1615, and all rivers in the NorthEast USA regularly froze solid for the winter......could you imagine if that were the case today? Another cooling event happened around 661 AD, probably due to a volcanic eruption which dimmed the suns rays and caused massive famine due to darkness and cool temps during summertime.....

Now yes, the Earth will soon be as hot as it has ever been and glaciers are melting and ice caps and ice shelves are melting at alarming rates......this should cause a rise in global sea levels and could possibly impact millions of people around the globe in various ways.....

But, given a choice, i'd choose the global warming over the global cooling.....

The sad fact is that the powers that be want the world's energy to be produced by fossil fuels when it could easily be produced by wind/solar/biomass/nuclear/hydrogen......mag-lev technology can be developed further......the people are crying out for cleaner energy, but we will never get it until literally it is too late......

we'll see what the future holds.....

-gp

 

[newbieb]

sunburst if you're asking if global warming will destroy the world probably not, but do you want to see hurrican katrina etc. on a scale that will make hurricane katrina look like rain?

 

[Guest]

humanity will destroy itself and anything it can..we are real intelligent like that...lol

 

[Guest]

i dont get what you're saying sunburst. do you know how many warnings there are about global warming from scientist, alot. how do you know what a scientist would say. were not talking about our lives but of our childrens lives so forth

Everyone alive at this moment has been on the earth less than 120 years. In the big picture that is meaninless. Ive heard what the scientest are saying. One of the major causes of global warming is cow farts LMAO

We are supposed to already be dead from the hole in the ozone that was going to kill us all. Nobody cared so now we get this.

Methane
While carbon dioxide is the principal greenhouse gas, methane is second most important. According to the IPCC, Methane is more than 20 times as
effective as CO2 at trapping heat in the atmosphere. US Emissions Inventory 2004 Levels of atmospheric methane have risen 145% in the last 100 years. [18] Methane is derived from sources such as rice paddies, bovine flatulence, bacteria in bogs and fossil fuel production. Most of the world’s rice, and all of the rice in the United States, is grown on flooded fields. When fields are flooded, anaerobic conditions develop and the organic matter in the soil decomposes, releasing CH4 to the atmosphere, primarily through the rice plants. US Emissions Inventory 2004

The # of people who would die from stopping rice production alone is mind boggling.
So you also need to give up Meat.
Breathing aint helping so hold your breath also.

Hurricaines like katrina have been hitting the New orleans cost long before man was here and will continue long after we are gone.

What im saying is when you get reports that say "Worst winter / drought/ summer EVER" That is straight up BULLSHIT. These people cant tell me what the "Weather" is going to be in 10 friggin days and use word like EVER and IN History. Again I say Bullshit.

 

[Guest]

CO2 doesn't in itself create heat, no. However, I do know for a fact that everyone on this forums who is actively growing has some form of energy being emitted in their grow area whether its outside or inside. There is absolutely no denying this; the plant cannot grow without energy = light. Einstein, you too buddy.

I just read the little thing on AOL front page about a report to be given at the next summit meeting. I founf this little quote particularly interesting. "Written and reviewed by more than 1,000 scientists from dozens of countries, it still must be edited by government officials."
Why the hell are government officials editing a document written by authorities? That makes as much sense as Jorge Cervantes letting DEA proofread his writings or electing another Bush to run a country. None of them are fit or capable to do these jobs.

J.

 

[Guest]

Why the hell are government officials editing a document written by authorities? That makes as much sense as Jorge Cervantes letting DEA proofread his writings or electing another Bush to run a country. None of them are fit or capable to do these jobs.

J.

Thats a damn good question. I dont believe a single thing coming from our/ your or any other government.

Follow the money. It could actualy be worse than anyone knows or it could all be bullshit.