GH subculture and AN's voodoo juice,

[nycdfan042]

I recently purchased some voodoo juice from advanced nutrients. Now i own a good ammount of their products, im happy with the end results the buds that come fromt hem are awesome. Alot of people cry aobut the price or that they have a snazzy marketing ploy, but so far their final products are amazing i really dont care how snooty their labels look.
With that said i would like some other AN users to help me. I was talking to MMMzretro and he told me in order for the voodoo juice to work effectively i have to innoculate my roots first(i have subculture ready to apply) but when i read the AN website they say voodoo juice is potent by itself, yet can be stacked with piranah and tarrantula to create a powerful strain of bacteria and fungi( i only have subculture i assume its the same NO??? im sure the subculture will create a powerful version of simular bacteria/fungus no?? i mean nitrogen fixation will occurr no?)

So curently im in veg and i want to inoculate my root zone( i have seedlings, clones and larger palnts in veg, how do i apply the sub culture guys??)
The instructions say 1 tsp per gallon for a direct apllication or "root drench" is this the best way to go?? or the second application method they suggest is to ammend(add) to your soil during transplants or planting. I currently have 15 clones, and three sour diesel ibl seedlings ill be transplanting, my second question is this : Wich method is better??? the root drench? or do i add it as a dry powder to the root zone??? there has been alotta discussion lately and i wanna get things clear ..can any one help me??

Thridly...once i have inoculated my soil with subculture...will the voodoo juice be ok to use every 3 weeks for its entire life..from seedling/clone to harvest/flush???

For the sake of THIS scenario im concentrating on VEG. Im currently using this soiless medium [http://www.mywebxpress.com/fafard/index.asp?p=1039], and i feed AN sensi gro A&B(2 tsp's for larger plants, 1.5 tsp's for clones, and .5 strength for rooting clones/seedlings), i just got b-52 so itll be one tsp a week, (question 4 do i use carbo load at this point, or do i wait till my medium is inoculated before i add carbo load in veg???) how much carbo load can i use in veg/do i use it in veg?
I have many questions...can someone please help?

 

[nycdfan042]

is carbo load for bloom? or is it used in the entire life??

 

[nycdfan042]

fer fucks sake im confused....so far i just added 1 teaspoon of the dry subculture powder to a gallon of water, added 1oz of voodoo juice and half a tsp of grow a & B to the same gallon of water..and im feeding all the medium clones and seedlings....i hope that works...

Now for the ladies in the bloom room..do i do the same but with bloom nutes??? heyelp??

 

[earth77]

Transition to bloom phase 2tsp floramicro,2tsp floragro,2tsp florabloom to a gallon water should do ya right babe if you have this that is!

 

[nycdfan042]

^^ no all i have is GH sub culture ..and ill be using voodoo juice....or should i just buy some tarantullaa??

 

[pumpkin2006]

Dude, you need to know what BB and BF are in there.

Subculture, as far as GH's website says, it has Bacillus subtilis (same has hydroguard); these guys are going to colonize the roots to prevent things like root rot. Then they have a couple bacteria that complete the nitrogen chain; one converts ammonium to nitrite and the other converts nitrite to nitrate (plant available nitrogen). Then they have a couple fungi that I'm not familiar with. Finally they have Trichoderma, which are good at fighting off bad bacteria and fungi.

Unfortunately Advanced doesn't like to give its customers very much information and probably think were stupid or something. Voodoo juice says it has 5 different kinds of BB (beneficial bacteria), one of which is completely useless. It says it has a nitrogen fixing bacteria; well only plants in the legume family can fix atmospheric nitrogen into the soil; you know legumes as beans, but not limited to fetch, rye and various other types of grasses. Point: Marijuana does not fix nitrogen.

Voodoo juice seems like crap to me; the subculture will do you better. Don't bother with mycorrhizae; all of your nutrients are in chelated form (plant available form) already. Also the bacteria that completes the nitrogen chain is pointless; your nitrogen is already in nitrate form. Almost everything in those cultures is pointless for hydroponics; except the Trichoderma and the Bacillus subtilis. I would save your money and go out and get some hydroguard and it would have the same effect, just not on your wallet.

and good luck.

 

[nycdfan042]

i got the subculture for free!!! the bvoodoo juice i heared was some great stufff??now your saying it doesnt do anything??

 

[simba]

ill tell ya..from my experiance..

i like subculture and American hydroponics Companion (there benis) (and for price so far)
haven't finalized so i cant say which is better out of them plus ANs tirant and some others but bactilus s whatever they called exactly do make a difference and do work..
from ans website tirant is there BB.. pirana is fungi and voodo is who knows.
there to secert on some stuff and it only hurts them..
other companies are just like it so its not a bash..



you will see with your subculture a growth in Root mass.. it Promotes Root Growth.. which will help your yield.. for pot you want to stop using benis week 2 of flower.. you should have a nice colony by then and will replicate it self.. WONT DIE>>

also you can go to the pet store and buy beni fliter media its plastic weird things that the benis grow on.. or a few lava rocks from your grill will work. just drop them in the bottom of your res or plant bucket etc..
as for your case mix it up with 75dg water and root drench.. but keep well mixed as you pour etc..let nothing setlle during pour..if that makes sense
GET THEM STARTED NOW THOUGH

you really cant over do it unless you dump all in there follow instructions and add a bit extra if you wish wont hurt.. but follow ups are needed as subculture has food for BBs (sugars)..so its good to follow the sheet..

carbo load is used mainly for sugars for the plant to produce fater colas
mainly for first 2/4s of flower cylce IMHO maybe first part of 3 out of the 4 also..
go with the black strap molas trick it will be better than this stuff or sweatleaf..If your considering this stuff.. read up on it first

i think some of ANs products are realy nice but some arent..
like pure fulvic.. thats nice.. lets me add what i want.. etc..

hope this helps

 

[nycdfan042]

Simba hard time understanding what your saying.....i agree taht them being secretive hurts them more than helps...

simply wanna know : Is using subculture as a root drench is fine? is it better used dry and ammended( or mixed into the soil) into the soil during the transplant?? I "root drenched" the larger plants in the one and 3 gallon containers already....so basically i can hit them with voodoo next feeding then right??

so i added 1 tsp per gallon of sub culture as recommended and fed the larger kodiak golds( two fems from seed), the single mazar femmed from DP(so they are incoulated, i guess next feeding i can hit em up with voodoo juice!??????)

The Sour diesel IBLs were transplanted, except this time i added some of the dry sub culture tot he mix....i took enough soil for three one gallon containers..and added two teaspoons of the dry subculture....i hope its enough....if not ill add more..but they got inoculated str8 @ the root zone!!! wichi heared is way better for seedlings and cuttings than the 'root drench' method! so now the seedlings and larger plants in veg are 'inoculated"..the sub culture directions says repeat the direct application or root drench once or twice a month!! Someone in chat told me SC from gh used in conjunction with voodoo juice is awesome!!!! (as soon as they get tarantulla @ my local place im getting some and switching from sub culture to turantulla!..does any one know wich one is better???)
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[pumpkin2006]

Simply put, your trying to add bacteria to your soil. If your trying to get it everywhere in the soil then you can 1)Mix it in; but I think you said you had planted or 2)Dilute and pour. Either way will work. Just follow the directions, yet again, from my personal opinion, the voodoo juice is pointless if your adding the subculture.

 

[nycdfan042]

^^pumpkin if you read the AN web site..and the voodoo juice label..it says it multiplys the ammount of bacteria and beneficial fungi by 250 million when used with tarantula and pirana.....im using subculture only because they didnt have it at the shop the lady felt bad and gave me subculture pouch for free(its 12$)...so voodoo juice is potent, but works best when your soil is inoculated already....theres many many different strains of bacillus and psuedonomas andpaenebillacus or whatever...the more the merrier..we shall see the reults...

Voo doo juice also says carbo load will work even better when a well colonized root mass is hit with both voodoo and carbo load!...im learning now!! soon wel see the results..!!

i need an a/c unit!! i want my ambient room temp to be 80 º its at 88 º now!

 

[nycdfan042]

im almost out of big bud....and voodoo juice goes great with piranha....ordering some now!!!!

piranah(50g)&1l of big bud = 57$ not too shabby

 

[nycdfan042]

well these guys just got transplanted into fafard soilless medium(http://www.fafard.com/pDet1.aspx?prodID=BGM2) with some subculture dry powdermixed in!!! so these guys will get a great start!!!!!!!!

These are kodiak gold(RM) and mazar(DP) femmed clones!!!!!!
so far six out of 10 rooted in 6 days....i cut 8 more a ocuple days ago just incase!!! can never have too many clones!!!!!!!!

check the roots on these suckers!!





those roots should be happy with some subculture!!! and next feeeding they get some voodoo juice and b-52 half strength!!!!

here are some sour chunks!!!