GH 3 part BLOOM HELP NEEDED

[nickson]

whats up everyone I need some help from you gurus on making a SOLID & SIMPLE nute plan for my upcoming 2nd harvest. A friend of mine donated the following to me:

GH 3 part,
AN's big bud & overdrive & B52
Botanicare's Citrus Sweet and Cal-Mag

I am growing dp's strawberry cough and powerplant.

again this is my 2nd harvest and the first time around it went just ok and im pretty sure it was due to my feeding habits and not the environment.

basically all ive been doing is following the bottle instructions that tell me to add [3 bloom -2micro -1 grow etc] - I kept the ph @ 6.5 as was recommended for soil. Monday thru Saturday I added 5ml of cal-mag to my RO water and then followed the AN bottle and added 10ml of Big Bud per gallon. After adding the bigbud my ppms usually were around 700-800. Leaf burn was never an issue. Sundays I use just ph'ed RO water.

i know this is a not so easy question but AM I on the right track and can anyone throw some pointers my way? I also have some PBP bloom/soil that I can use instead of the 3 part if that would be more effective and easier. the issue that I had with PBP was measuring the ppm/ph after using additives it made my meter go apeshit . for some reason i felt like i was a nano second away from fucking everything up so i stuck with the gh 3part. maybe im wrong ?

heres a pic of some powerplant from my 1st harvest. - Im using a few HPS 1k's , temps are around 80 during the day and 77 at night. no use of co2, 3 gallon pots with red bag Fox Farm/perlite. I flower at about 22 inches in height

i hope i make sense and thanks for the feedback you guys are life savers - it aint easy setting up & figurin out all this stuff alone

[cough pic]


[better night time pic of powereplant]

 

[Blackvelvet]

Here is a couple of bloom suggestions:

16.67ml pbp bloom for soil + 5.8 ml cal mag plus per gal of water

3/4 strength of this: 15ml gh bloom + 10 ml gh micro + 5 ml gh grow per gal of water with no cal mag plus

Both of these have plenty of phosphorus so things like big bud, etc...should not be added. Too much p will cause problems. Also, don't add things like sweet containing magnesium because this will throw off the ratio of nutrients and deficiencies will appear. The only additives you might consider to add to the 2 recipes would be something to prevent root rot.

Using these nutrients assumes your using little or no lime in your mix. This is because the ferts have quite a bit of calcium and magnesium. If you recently repotted and added some dolomite lime, use the pbp bloom for soil without the cal mag plus. You will have to increase the pbp bloom for soil to about 23.8ml per gal to get the 100 ppm nitrogen the pbp and cal mag plus was adding. (I would not use more than 20ml per gal; watch for slight burning). You can't really reduce cal mag with the gh 3 part. When the lime begins to go away with repeated waterings, begin adding the cal mag plus to the pbp bloom soil again or use the gh 3 part formula. You have to guess as to when the lime runs out.

Feed with every watering. You should not need to use straight water until the end of bloom. 20% of your fert water should pour out the bottom of the containers. You want quite a bit of runoff to prevent salt buildup.

I would use a slightly lower ph than 6.5...maybe a little closer to 6.

Good luck growing!


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[Core]

dont go lower then 6.2 with soil...6.3-6.5 would be best for soil and 6.4 being avarage ...

 

[58FLH]

Try your nutes at half strength or a little less. Using the max on your nutes isn't always the best way to go. Then about 10 days before harvest straight water only.

 

[nickson]

Here is a couple of bloom suggestions:

16.67ml pbp bloom for soil + 5.8 ml cal mag plus per gal of water

3/4 strength of this: 15ml gh bloom + 10 ml gh micro + 5 ml gh grow per gal of water with no cal mag plus

Both of these have plenty of phosphorus so things like big bud, etc...should not be added.
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so in your experience using the additives big bud / overdrive isnt beneficial?

hey im also curious everyone, in using the pbp versus the 3part will there be any effect on yield?

thanks again you guys are great

 

[nickson]

Try your nutes at half strength or a little less. Using the max on your nutes isn't always the best way to go. Then about 10 days before harvest straight water only.

thanks buddy thats what i did the first time around - straight h20 the last12 days. i still had a VERY harsh taste. growing definately makes me appreciate good bud when i get it after tasting mine

 

[58FLH]

nichson,
Man it's a learning process maybe the nutes aren't the prob. Could be the strain, how mature when picked or curing meathod just to mention a few. Maybe just bong it
peace and pot
58 FLH

 

[Farmer John]

3/4 strength of this: 15ml gh bloom + 10 ml gh micro + 5 ml gh grow per gal of water with no cal mag plus

This has always been a bit of a mystery to me, here in EU the bottles say (grow/micro/bloom) 5-10-15ml for 10 liters of water and you guys use it for a gallon? I burn the shit out of most plants if I give it full strength and my full strength is like half of your 3/4 strength right? what_the_hell

edit just noticed you guys talk about soil but still that is a shitload of nutes if we talk about the same General Hydroponics Flora 3 part nutes right? all together i hardly ever use over 2ml/L of all three together..

 

[porgy tirebiter]

get outta here, you use a specific piece of equipment to get precisely .67 of a ml? ok, if you say so.

 

[nickson]

farmer john i hear ya ,,,yes that is strange.

well i got ahold of a rep @ gh thru their 800#,,, wasnt easy but finally i got some help. basically, i was advised to use the standard 1-2-3 gmb since im new to this and to adjust the %'s either up / down accordingly. the female i spoke to also suggested i try dropping the grow entirely once i reach week 5,6 etc. also, i can skip out on the cal mag. i couldnt get any suggestions on the bidbud/overdrive however i did shoot an email over to AN this morning asking for usage suggestions since they have the 3 part as well.

anyhow, so im going to start week one tomorrow on 1/2-3/4 strength [not sure yet?] 1-2-3 gmb ph'd to 6.3/6.4. first time around i feed everyday @ 5.8 ,,,[not taking into acct thats a hydro stat not soil until it was much too late ] except sunday so im pretty sure that i locked up my kids &created all sorts of issues .

-gh recommended feeding the entire weekly nute usage ONCE per week and then water water since im in pots i could also feed [1/2 strength] , feed 1/2 strength, water etc etc

so, im keeping it simple as suggested. i read an article about a commercial guy that grew trees using the gh 3part, an's bd/od and hygrozyme during veg. they also used b52 as a foilar. i think it was the 06 HT strain guide. nyc grower i think.

**advanced nutrients recommended 1-1-1 GMB after you start using bb/od with the 'bottle instructed amounts' [for big bud & overdrive]. ,,,thru the entire grow.**

they also recommended i match the ph that i use for foilaring..i.e. mid 6's for b-52