Genetics is a funny thing

[MROrganicGreenz]

I just wanted to show you something I found very fascinating. I am really into breeding (plants in general) and genetics and stuff and I know a lot about it, but I am always amazed about the effects of recombination and "unstable" genetics.

I had a Cookies Gelato Automatic from Royal Queen Seeds. Due to some stress I guess it threw some bananas and pollinated itself. I didn't really see that and it was in total just 7 seeds on > 25 g of dried flower. Two of those seeds fell into the pot of the plant and sprouted. After I harvested the big plant I just kept those two small seedlings and potted them. A few weeks / 2 month tops later they are looking veeeeery different from each other. The small plant started flowering just 2 weeks into growing. The other started 2 weeks later.

They are so much off from each other and I am fascinated by the huge range of genetics that you can get from Polyhybrids by selfing them. But see for yourself. One is very little yield but the smell is awesome and towards some zkittlz smell, the other is not really smelling at all. Small one is pretty frosty, and I thought the big one has no trichomes at all, but under the microscope there is a totally different picture. The big one has maaaany trichomes but they are super small. I have the feeling it is pretty much leaning towards some sativa genetics.

Tbh I didn't really put much effort in them since it was just dropped seeds, but I am pretty sure the big one isn't going to finish, but the small one might give me a few grams of interesting bud.

Any thoughts?

 

[exoticrobotic]

I am really into breeding

I had a Cookies Gelato Automatic

Great fun breeding and making and trying different crosses and seeing how they combine isn't it.

If i were you i would try to stear clear of auto strains though, unless the particular variety had something outstanding about them.

 

[spacetraveller]

Avoiding the deleterious effects of Muller's Ratchet in that sort of selfing recombination might be a concern in the long run, it would be extremely difficult to improve a selfed line imo.
Outbreeding avoids this, and the potential for "better" plants than either parent is much higher!

 

[MROrganicGreenz]

Great fun breeding and making and trying different crosses and seeing how they combine isn't it.

If i were you i would try to stear clear of auto strains though, unless the particular variety had something outstanding about thethem

Heya. Nooo I didnt wanna cross that. It was just selfing or crosspollination by accident. I would never try to cross an auto. I am super stoked about landraces and stable genetics. I just wanted to Show everyone whos interested, how super weird instable genetics can be.

I pollinated my "purple malawi x erdpurt" with a ketama Riff from TRSC male. The seeds will ripen soon. Hoping for some semi-auto flowering for the motherline, since I had to light depr. For flowering in the place where I live. Tbh I really dislike automatics and instable polycrosses. But I am fascinated by recombination.

 

[Cannaiseur]

I’m not sure if it’s the right place to ask this question feel free to go correct me.
I know that selfing is when you take the pollen from a female plant and then breeding it with it itself, but I want to ask if I take the pollen from the female plant and put it in the same strain but a different pheno is it still considered selfing?

 

[MROrganicGreenz]

Every question is good to be asked. I cannot tell you a hundred % but I can talk about my understanding.

Selfing is with itself, like the name intends. What you mean would be inbreeding. That happens in nature or when a breeder does open pollination. That strain, or more in a scientific way landrace/IBL-line breeds inside its own population. On the long run the IBL line will tend to be very homocygotous. After a number of generations most populations will go towards inbreeding, when there is no other pollen from outside integrating.

Since I am disgressing from the topic: Male or female or hermie pollen from a plant that pollinates another plant from the same pool/population/genotypical group is the beginning of inbreeding. If you are interested, we can go into whats happening with the genes, but now I am gonna take a break xD