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Genetic modification is getting out of hand.

kronique420

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Copied over from Businessweek.


Report Raises Alarm over 'Superweeds'

Use of herbicides such as Monsanto's Roundup is on the rise. As weeds become resistant, environmental activists blame genetically modified crops


It's been 12 years since the first genetically modified crop was sown in the U.S., and controversy has raged since. Now, another salvo has been launched, in the form of a new report from environmental activist organization Friends of the Earth International and the Center for Food Safety, a Washington (D.C.) advocacy group. Called Who Benefits from GM Crops?, the study examines the emergence of "superweeds" that have developed a resistance to conventional herbicides such as Monsanto's (MON) Roundup. The culprits, says the report, are plants like corn, soybeans, and cotton that have been genetically modified to survive Roundup. Farmers can spray their fields and the weeds will die but the crops will thrive.

As more acres of "Roundup Ready" crops are planted, the use of the pesticide has increased. The increased application has led some weeds to develop a resistance to glyphosate, the generic term for the chemical in Roundup. And, in turn, farmers have had to apply stronger doses of pesticide to kill the superweeds.

According to the report, the amount of weed-killing herbicides used by farmers has exploded, rising fifteenfold since biotech crops were first planted. The report lists eight weeds in the U.S.—among them horseweed, common waterhemp, and hairy fleabane—that have developed resistance to glyphosate, the most commonly applied pesticide. The next generations of biotech seeds include some that have been modified to withstand stronger doses of herbicides, while another strategy has been to develop tolerances to different herbicides and to combine multiple types of resistance in the same seed. "It's a chemical arms race against these weeds," says Bill Freese, a policy analyst at the Center for Food Safety and a co-author of the report.

Monsanto Profit Forecast Up
In response, Monsanto said in an e-mailed statement: "The Friends of the Earth report makes numerous inaccurate and false claims. Information sources cited are rarely from peer reviewed scientific journals or research and are not representative of actual impacts." Apropos weed resistance, the company said, in part, "Monsanto takes product stewardship and claims of resistance to glyphosate very seriously.…Monsanto also sponsors internal and external research to understand the various aspects of glyphosate-resistant weeds, and research on best management practices in Roundup Ready crops."

The boost in herbicide use is proving to be a financial boon for Monsanto. Its Roundup business was thought to be an albatross, as the pesticide came off patent in 2000 and revenue quickly plunged. Chief Executive Hugh Grant hastened the company's shift away from reliance on Roundup sales to an emphasis on GMO (genetically modified organism) seeds—in particular, commodity crops such as corn and soy, which are the grist for animal feed, food processing, and biofuels. As demand for agricultural commodities has soared in recent years, stoked by growing wealth and changing diets in developing nations, so too have the plantings of GMOs (BusinessWeek, 12/6/07).

But as more seeds with a baked-in resistance to Roundup are planted around the world, it's helping prop up sales of the herbicide. Some 80% of biotech seeds have herbicide-tolerance in them, and the vast majority of those tolerate Roundup specifically. In fact, on Feb. 12, Monsanto Executive Vice-President Brett Begemann told investors at a conference that the company would raise its 2008 earnings guidance, thanks in part to better-than-anticipated Roundup sales. In the company's first fiscal quarter, sales of Roundup and other chemicals jumped 47%.


The company expects up to $1.4 billion in gross profit for the year from its chemicals business, Begemann said, which would be a 10% increase from 2007. (Monsanto forecasts $3.5 billion in gross profit from its seeds businesses, a 16% increase.)

Environmental Impact Unclear
Superweeds are most directly a nuisance for farmers, who have to work harder to tend their fields and spend more on buying and applying herbicides. But the impact reaches consumers, too, argues Freese, as increased levels of chemicals hit plants and can work their way into groundwater. So far, the concerns have not hindered the adoption of biotech crops: On Feb. 13, a biotech industry group, the International Service for the Acquisition of Agri-Biotech Applications, is expected to release its own report showing an uptick in plantings of GMO crops around the world.

But many of the side effects, both actual and potential, continue to stir debate. Companies such as Monsanto, DuPont's (DD) Pioneer, and Syngenta (SYT) must submit environmental assessments to the U.S. Agriculture Dept.'s Animal & Plant Health Inspection Service (APHIS) before a biotech plant can be approved for commercial use. Freese argues, however, that more rigorous regulatory evaluations of biotech crops' impact can stave off environmental side effects. In March, 2007, a federal judge in Northern California halted plantings of biotech alfalfa, ruling that the USDA's oversight was inadequate.

For its part, Monsanto said in the Feb. 12 statement: "As part of the petition for deregulation, Monsanto includes information on glyphosate-resistant weeds and Monsanto's weed resistance stewardship program. USDA reviews that information, along with other information such as research journal articles, in preparing their environmental assessment."

Academics have been studying the impact of GMOs, but the research is still nascent. Just last November, the National Academy of Sciences convened a workshop of entomologists, geneticists, biologists, and others to discuss research priorities on how genetically engineered plants and animals impact the environment. The results are expected later in the year.
 

Suby

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See what happens when man fucks with mother nature's work.

Plus what are the possible benefits of growing a plant that is bigger, more resistant but tasteless and doesn't produce seed...seeds are kind of important to agriculture so now farmers are supposed to buy seeds to grow produce that won't seed.

It's fucking stupid is what it is, but farming practices are being poisoned by industry and the land is stretched pretty thin, we are a grossly overpopulated planet so eventually something is gonna give.

Great thread, glad there are no GM MJ plants in the works, weel come to think of it seedless mexi brickweed would be slightly less discusting...

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Well that blows, but that's the price we pay for the ignorant practice of non-organic farming. If people grew cover crops to block weeds out, this wouldn't be an issue.

This isn't even directly caused by GM crops, it's caused by excessive roundup use.
 
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RED145

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Coming from the farm,I can tell you for fact products like roundup,renegade,etc etc...are no longer killing the broadleef weeds like they used too.Used to be they worked,but no more.You cant find a stand of corn around here that isnt full of milkweed,and thats after spraying!!
 
RED145 said:
Coming from the farm,I can tell you for fact products like roundup,renegade,etc etc...are no longer killing the broadleef weeds like they used too.Used to be they worked,but no more.You cant find a stand of corn around here that isnt full of milkweed,and thats after spraying!!

sounds like the farmers around you needs to use some crop oil. They are just cutting corners because diesel and fertilizer is high. Fields round my way look good. Japanese beatles are the problem. I'm pro modified seeds--way better than not. I want some modified weed genetics. Splice me some cocaine, peyote, and heroine in there with pest prevention and super yield.
 

AmishFarmer

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All GM crops are not bad.Overuse/misuse is the problem,as always.Wouldn't it be good if there was rice and wheat crops that could withstand droughts or other problems and feed the millions of people that go hungry everyday?I would also like to see some GM MJ.Imagine flowering times of two weeks?Don't be scared of technology,it is our friend when used properly.
 

Sheriff Bart

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well you see when they go splicing genes, they never know exactly what base pairs of what genetic sequences they are gettin since restriction enzymes work on the whole piece of DNA and cut it anywhere appropriately, and so when they splice the genes together to insert them into the nuclei, there are newly coded genes, along with the ones they want (such as roundup ready, etc.), which were not there before and have been proven to produce new proteins/molecules/amino acids (whatever you wish to call them) that can and do produce bad side effects in animals and the things which consume them (dont take my word for it, do your own goddamn research, you want truth, you have to find it)

the coca plant has been cultivated and selected to be resistant to glycophosphate, and it only took 30 years
thats what you get, life will survive
dont fuck with it!

amishfarmer you should change your name
or go back to your farm and be a real amish
Imagine flowering times of two weeks?
imagine more still born babies! imagine more cancer!
you think its worth it?
or you could just have some patience...maybe, might be too much to ask in todays world though

and the only reason there are hungry people still on the planet is because of poor distribution
we have more than enough food for the whole planet, we just dont know how to share or conserve
 
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Suby

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I repeat...a crop that does not produce seed. :crazy:

It's not for all crops but this fact in and of itself would have me kicking the salesman ass out my door while.

SB I feel you on the world hunger thing, think of all the food that gets dumped off the coast or burned or buried to keep market price on an even keel. :nono:

:confused:

It's easy to be all preachy but I don't own a farm, I guess sometimes you have to make ends meet.

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genkisan

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Monsanto are evil minions of the Anti-Christ and the entire company should be fed cabbage and okra shakes until dead then ground up and used as fertilizer for some nice organic heritage crops. Burn all their GM seeds, sell their assets and put the money towards undoing the untold damage to our only home that they are responsible for.


Evil Corpo-Nazi donkeyhonking parasitic fuck-sacks........
 
genkisan said:
Monsanto are evil minions of the Anti-Christ and the entire company should be fed cabbage and okra shakes until dead then ground up and used as fertilizer for some nice organic heritage crops. Burn all their GM seeds, sell their assets and put the money towards undoing the untold damage to our only home that they are responsible for.


Evil Corpo-Nazi donkeyhonking parasitic fuck-sacks........


If all we had was organics most people couldn't afford to eat. Nearly all our food is affordable because of the production advances made possible by r&d companies like monsanto. Take all the stuff away and you'll be paying twenty or more for a cheeseburger.
 

Sheriff Bart

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organics is so expensive because of damn companies like monsanto
they sell their shit super cheap all over and monopolize
anyone else that wants to try and sustain, has to have higher prices to keep going
and of course people rather look at the price than the ingredients and think it out down the road....hmmm less money, less nutrients, more shit......hmmm more money, more nutrients, less shit....
buy organics and dont support monsanto shit and other stuff like monsanto and pretty soon organics prices will drop
doesnt anyone know anything these days? (a little economics and biology never hurt anyone)
 
Sheriff Bart said:
organics is so expensive because of damn companies like monsanto
they sell their shit super cheap all over and monopolize
anyone else that wants to try and sustain, has to have higher prices to keep going
and of course people rather look at the price than the ingredients and think it out down the road....hmmm less money, less nutrients, more shit......hmmm more money, more nutrients, less shit....
buy organics and dont support monsanto shit and other stuff like monsanto and pretty soon organics prices will drop
doesnt anyone know anything these days? (a little economics and biology never hurt anyone)


Your understanding of economics is way off. Organics can't be produced as efficient so they will cost more. More demand for organics and the price is going to rise for organics and fall for the rest. Organics taste better yea, but you can't feed the country on it--no way no how.
 

genkisan

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The Son of Man said:
If all we had was organics most people couldn't afford to eat. Nearly all our food is affordable because of the production advances made possible by r&d companies like monsanto. Take all the stuff away and you'll be paying twenty or more for a cheeseburger.



The Son of Man said:
Your understanding of economics is way off. Organics can't be produced as efficient so they will cost more. More demand for organics and the price is going to rise for organics and fall for the rest. Organics taste better yea, but you can't feed the country on it--no way no how.



Your understanding of balanced ecosystems and reduced impact living is way off, laddie.

If you wanna feed the country on a gluttonous, over-processed, Super-sized diet that includes meat three times a day and massive bloated portions of nutritionless shite, sure, you may have a point...it can't be done without evil fuckers like Monsanto and the poisons they spew......


Mebbe we should all take that point as a blatant fucking sign that the lifestyle, diet and economy that requires such evils IS NOT VIABLE??????

Do folks like you take it as a sign that mebbe humans should change the greedy, exploitative, malignant and parasitic way we see the planet........noooooooooo. You just see it as more justification to ransom our children's future so you can have yer cheap $2 fookin' cheeseburger and a 64oz Coke.



You want that fucking cheeseburger so bad.....pay what it costs to produce it in a viable, non-toxic, non-exploitative way....until then, stop yer selfish, greedy self-justifying quasi-scientific pontificating.
 
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genkisan said:
Your understanding of balanced ecosystems and reduced impact living is way off, laddie.

If you wanna feed the country on a gluttonous, over-processed, Super-sized diet that includes meat three times a day and massive bloated portions of nutritionless shite, sure, you may have a point...it can't be done without evil fuckers like Monsanto and the poisons they spew......


Mebbe we should all take that point as a blatant fucking sign that the lifestyle, diet and economy that requires such evils IS NOT VIABLE??????

Do folks like you take it as a sign that mebbe humans should change the greedy, exploitative, malignant and parasitic way we see the planet........noooooooooo. You just see it as more justification to ransom our children's future so you can have yer cheap $2 fookin' cheeseburger and a 64oz Coke.



You want that fucking cheeseburger so bad.....pay what it costs to produce it in a viable, non-toxic, non-exploitative way....until then, stop yer selfish, greedy self-justifying quasi-scientific pontificating.


You obviously haven't thought your shit through. Your suggestion is really stupid when you think about it--go on--think about it. :bashhead:
 

genkisan

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The Son of Man said:
You obviously haven't thought your shit through. Your suggestion is really stupid when you think about it--go on--think about it. :bashhead:

Why don't you try to actually make your point (if you have one) instead of posting asshat smileys and calling folks stupid?


You and fuckers like Monsanto and those who justify what they do have not thought things through past their own selfish bellies and pocketbooks......your desire (NOT need....desire) for cheap cheeseburgers and a gluttonous diet will result in this planet (own only home) becoming a poisoned, barren world of GMO mutants in short order.......yet I am the one who has not thought things out???


Lets compare weekly food expenditures and do a little comparison, shall we??

Family of four people in North Carolina: Food expenditure for one week = $341.98.

Family of twelve people in Egypt: Food expenditure for one week: 387.85 Egyptian Pounds or $68.53


These figures came along with pics (which I will try to post later) of actual families sitting in front of a weeks worth of food. The food pictured with the Egyptian family is WAY healthier, infinitely less processed, just as plentiful and I'm sure is not grown with Monsanto seeds and Round-up.


I have been thinking about shit like this for decades.....and no matter what you say, you cannot justify destroying the Earth for future generations so you can eat cheap hamburgers and the malignant goatfuckers at Monsanto can get richer. Please, go ahead and justify that one in a logical way.......I'd love to see you try, laddie.....


You say my point is really stupid........explain yourself please.
 
Genki, I don't really understand exactly what you are trying to say. Can you jot down your main points about monsanto in outline form or something?

I just think ok, sure, monsanto is bad, but it's hard to equate egypt with america in terms of farmspace, standards of food, etc. I can see what you're trying to say but at the same time there seems to be a lot of holes arising from the vast differences of egypt vs america.

It seems like you are saying US relies on meat too much or something but I dunno.

Aside from that it costs 100-150 a week for me alone to eat. It's healthy shit. Organic range free chickens, fish (although I'm always weary because it seems like whether you get it from the farm or a natural setting you're screwing SOMETHING up, but I tend to go with naturally caught b/c farms are disgusting and bad for the enviro), veggies, fruits...it's all organic and locally grown as much as possible..

What I tend to get frantic about is all this packaging. I accumulate SO MUCH plastic it isn't even funny, from all the containers this crap comes in. Ahhg...
 

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The Son of Man said:
If all we had was organics most people couldn't afford to eat. Nearly all our food is affordable because of the production advances made possible by r&d companies like monsanto. Take all the stuff away and you'll be paying twenty or more for a cheeseburger.

The Answer is very simple...LESS PEOPLE! A whole lot less...
 
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