Fungus?,Deficiency?,PH ? RO Water? Lots of PICTURES

[Whobdobub]

Okay here are some pictures from a while back when the water was from the well and i had added sodium pellets to the softener.






Okay i Bought a RO machine.
I feed them with whats available at the local store 20-20-20 Chemical Fert
and the flowering a 15-30-15 @ 1 TBS per 5 Gallon. I also add Epsom Salt about 2 TBS per 5 gallon.
The PH is 6 to 6.5 During feeding.
Every Other watering i usually Give them Pure RO water without anything at a PH of 7 to 7.11.
The soil is Pro Mix nothing added.

Just yesterday i added 1TBS of each to the top of the soil, Hydrated Lime, Ironite,Blood meal , Bone Meal , Triple Super Phosphate.

Also I just Sprayed them with a Tree/Flower Fungacide the other day.
They look healthy except for this issue here in the pics below.



Now in the veg im constantly Pulling off Dead Dry to a Crisp Brown leaves in various spots.
Here is a pic of dead leaf the ones i pull off are even darker and more dead then the pic below.



Now in the flower room here is a picture of a plant that is really bad.
Some of the other flowering plants get just as bad and some don't get as bad.



I Have looked through Stitches AWESOME STICKY !'
http://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=11688

When i look at the first 3 pictures in his sticky , I feel like i have all 3 N - P & K , problems.

The Tips getting that greyish burnt ashy look looks kinda fuzzy when i look really close. Thats why i sprayed a fungacide.

Its a basement ( When it rains my walls leak water onto the basement floor), The humidity bounces between 40 - 60% i have 2 vent fans and 1 intake and 3 circulating fans in the flower room.
3 Circulating Fans in the Veg room.
The 2nd Flower Box Has 2 Vent Fans 1 Intake and 1 Circulating fan.

The Pre veg seed and Clone Table have one circulating fan on the table.

And the main room of the basement has a Oscilating Fan that moves air around the Main room.

The Tempature is around 70F in the veg.
75F In the first flower room and 80F in the Second Flower Box.

When Lights are off the Temps drop to around 62F - 65F.

Also when i was Flushing about a month ago i did get this pure white like spider web white mold growing on top of the soil.
The Soil was extremely wet for like 7 days.
I adjusted and added more fans and no longer have this problem.
I also don't let my soil get that moist , in that case it was a flush.

I Water every 2 or 3 days.


Okay if i can think of anything else or you need any more info to help me figure out whats going on i will post.

So Anyways if someone has dealt with this or knows exactly what my issue is please leave a post .

Thanks
Take care

 

[Hydro-Soil]

Okay i Bought a RO machine.
I feed them with whats available at the local store 20-20-20 Chemical Fert
and the flowering a 15-30-15 @ 1 TBS per 5 Gallon. I also add Epsom Salt about 2 TBS per 5 gallon.
The PH is 6 to 6.5 During feeding.
Every Other watering i usually Give them Pure RO water without anything at a PH of 7 to 7.11.
The soil is Pro Mix nothing added.

Just yesterday i added 1TBS of each to the top of the soil, Hydrated Lime, Ironite,Blood meal , Bone Meal , Triple Super Phosphate.

Also I just Sprayed them with a Tree/Flower Fungacide the other day.
They look healthy except for this issue here in the pics below.

Wow. I think if I were your plants I'd be puking my guts up. That's a lot of food.

2Tbs of Epsom per 5 gallons? Epsom salts build up in your soil so you're going to have issues by the middle of flower if you use it in all your waterings.


As for adding ferts to your soil while you're using liquid ferts when watering. That's a tangled ball of knots that's way beyond my experience to untangle. Try to do one or the other while you're learning as it helps people help you when you ask questions.

 

[Blue Dot]

I've bolded everything you did wrong.

Okay here are some pictures from a while back when the water was from the well and i had added sodium pellets to the softener.



Okay i Bought a RO machine.
I feed them with whats available at the local store 20-20-20 Chemical Fert
and the flowering a 15-30-15 @ 1 TBS per 5 Gallon. I also add Epsom Salt about 2 TBS per 5 gallon.
The PH is 6 to 6.5 During feeding.
Every Other watering i usually Give them Pure RO water without anything at a PH of 7 to 7.11.
The soil is Pro Mix nothing added.

Just yesterday i added 1TBS of each to the top of the soil, Hydrated Lime, Ironite,Blood meal , Bone Meal , Triple Super Phosphate.

Also I just Sprayed them with a Tree/Flower Fungacide the other day.
Now in the veg im constantly Pulling off Dead Dry to a Crisp Brown leaves in various spots.
Here is a pic of dead leaf the ones i pull off are even darker and more dead then the pic below.



Now in the flower room here is a picture of a plant that is really bad.
Some of the other flowering plants get just as bad and some don't get as bad.



I Have looked through Stitches AWESOME STICKY !'
http://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=11688

When i look at the first 3 pictures in his sticky , I feel like i have all 3 N - P & K , problems.

The Tips getting that greyish burnt ashy look looks kinda fuzzy when i look really close. Thats why i sprayed a fungacide.

Its a basement ( When it rains my walls leak water onto the basement floor), The humidity bounces between 40 - 60% i have 2 vent fans and 1 intake and 3 circulating fans in the flower room.
3 Circulating Fans in the Veg room.
The 2nd Flower Box Has 2 Vent Fans 1 Intake and 1 Circulating fan.

The Pre veg seed and Clone Table have one circulating fan on the table.

And the main room of the basement has a Oscilating Fan that moves air around the Main room.

The Tempature is around 70F in the veg.
75F In the first flower room and 80F in the Second Flower Box.

When Lights are off the Temps drop to around 62F - 65F.

Also when i was Flushing about a month ago i did get this pure white like spider web white mold growing on top of the soil.
The Soil was extremely wet for like 7 days.
I adjusted and added more fans and no longer have this problem.
I also don't let my soil get that moist , in that case it was a flush.

I Water every 2 or 3 days.


Okay if i can think of anything else or you need any more info to help me figure out whats going on i will post.

So Anyways if someone has dealt with this or knows exactly what my issue is please leave a post .

Thanks
Take care

 

[Hydro-Soil]

I've bolded everything you did wrong.

 

[Whobdobub]

Okay this Problem
Existed With Ionic GRow , Bloom , Boost.
This problem existed with an all organic Mix of sunleaves Guano's.

The reason i an giving them a store bought 20 - 20 - 20 is because im trying to get an equal balance of nutes. ( No Matter what i feed them they always seem to be lacking Nitrogen BADLY)
The amount i am giving them was a gradual increase.

The sodium pellets in the water was an accident. A new house, new water source and it didnt register but thats over and done.

The TBS of each Bone, blood , lime , yata yata is to feed them water directly and in case i have to flush i wont have to add nutes to the flush in a weak solution.


Every other watering is RO water PH Un-Adjusted could be a problem.

These problems are only from a normal feeding, of 20 - 20 - 20 and epsom salt. They have nothing to do with the fungicide or anything i have added.
Everything i added or sprayed was done after this problem existed.

The Fungicide was preventitive as mentioned i have a Wet Basement.
Damp and Humid are Ideal for fungi to attack the tips of Dying leaves.

So i guess the problem i need to solve is what range for a promix potting soil should i keep the ph to ensure the plants are getting the nutes and nothing is being locked out.

6.5 doesnt seem to be working Unless the straight RO without PH Adjusment, is locking them up ?

Now these problems nitrogen lacking problems are only with certian strains.
The Phos problem in the pics with the tips looking ashy and dying is new to all plants !

The picture of the flowering plant looking so dead and just UGhh, i had this same problem last grow and the table right next that strain had some C4XBlack Russian - 18oz from 16 plants on a 3.5 x 3.5 table with a 600 watt light. No dead leaves , only normal yellowing towards the end, no problems at all.

I Have been doing this for a long time the problem is every time i move to a new location there is something different to deal with.

I dont do things like alot of you guys down to the nail on everything.
I usually do what feels right and wing it , lately my feelings have been off as you can see.


Thanks for any input or help

P.S its 1 Tbs of Epsom each 5 gallon watering with nutes , no epsom is added during the pure ro watering.

 

[Whobdobub]

OKay to further show my point that it is has nothing to do with the fertiliser im feeding my plants.

These are pictures of Seedlings around 10 - 14 days old , They are in promix fresh from a fresh bag. No Fertilizer No Anything except PURE RO water.

 

[Hydro-Soil]

It doesn't matter if you have a perfectly justifiable (in your thinking) reason for each and every action you've taken. If the reality of the situation is that you're doing all of those things wrong (and that IS the reality here), no amount of 'explaining' otherwise is going to help.


Backtracking and suddenly revealing that all of the things you posted as 'What you were doing' were actually all of the things you'd been doing lately isn't going to help.

My advice is that if you're given advice, by several people, that all seem to agree on what your problem is you should listen and re-think what you're doing.

Anytime you don't you're going to spend more time doing

It's your choice.

 

[Whobdobub]

Okay Everything Blue dot said is right! Im not arguing with that.

But telling a person they are fat because they eat ice cream does not help that person lose weight, it just makes them eat cake!
&
Telling someone they shouldn't do this and shouldn't do that never teaches that person what they should do.

So i take the advice in Bold , what about the seedlings how does all of the veg pictures and all those symptoms have anything to do with Untouched Seedlings ?
I am showing seedlings with the same symptoms that have not had anything at all.
I am not trying to justify my mistakes im trying to make it as clear as possible what the plants have been through.
I'm here for help with this particular problem otherwise i wouldn't have posted!
I Have never dealt with a fungus, I Have never had to deal with leaves drying up and dying for no particular reason , Hence adding more ferts and nervously messing things up that where never wrong to begin with.
All these things have been happening over the last year randomly since i moved to a new location.
Im not new to growing, im new to this situation.

 

[phreakerrot]

perharps the word "root-bound" describes the problem with your seedlings. you say they're 2 weeks old and you keep them in those tiny plastic cups (it's what it seems judging by the pictures).
i don't know about the little plant but if you transplant the bigger ones into larger containers the problems should go away.

btw, what's RO water? remember to check the pH on your water, it should be 6.0 to 6.5. i have also never heard about the soil you're using, maybe it's not suitable for cannabis and it's the source of your problems. i'm just guessing.

take care

 

[Whobdobub]

Thanks Phreak.
I Checked the seedlings and the tap root has reached the bottom of the cup.
They are ready for a transplant.

I'm gonna transplant everything into larger containers and see if more space might be the trick it needs. I use Smaller containers then most people would use during Veg and Flower.

This picture of the plant flowering and all the leaves are dead that plant is probably at least 2 ft tall, and the container is 5 1/2 inches Deep and 8 inches round.



I Downgraded the size of my pots because i felt like the larger pots were not needed.
Maybe its time to go back.

 

[Blue Dot]

So i take the advice in Bold , what about the seedlings how does all of the veg pictures and all those symptoms have anything to do with Untouched Seedlings ?.

Because you are not putting 2 + 2 together.

promix doesn't have enough dolomite lime to begin with. It is notoriously acidic, not to mention it is pre-ferted which is too high ppms for seedlings and then by watering with pure RO you are basically creating a reverse osmosis system in you're root zone.

You are watering with pure RO which has 0 buffer, this just leads to a too low acidic root zone. Your plant cannot take up nutes (which is what a deficency is) because the pH is too low.

That's for the seedlings. You then added hydrated lime which will raise your pH to rapidly so you went from a too low to too high pH in to rapid a time and your plants are telling you that.

i'm telling you that but for some reason you don't want to listen.

On icmag, sometimes it's better to open your ears and close your mouth.

 

[Whobdobub]

I thought pro mix and fox farm where the 2 major brands for most growers ?

• PRO-MIX 'BX'/MYCORISE® PRO is a "general purpose" peat-based
  growing medium with vermiculite and perlite, used for the
  cultivation of a wide variety of plant species.
• MYCORISE® PRO ensures stronger, healthier plants due to
  more developed root systems and better fertilizer uptake.

Anyways Thanks Bluedot THE RO water is new to me and your right about he PH its totally whacky lately.
I Didnt know that about the pro mix i will try to find another nursery that carries maybe a different brand.

Thanks for your help.

P.S. Alot of problems started with this soil the more ithink about it, I used to use a different mix but they didnt carry it and i had to switch to this mix.
and sine i started the RO water it seems everything has been enhanced.