Fuel supplies cut to Gaza Strip

[dreamdancer]

A spokesman for the Palestinian Authority in Ramallah, denounced the fuel cut-back as a "catastrophic" decision. "This will harm the Palestinian people and not Hamas," he said. "Hamas can get all the fuel it needs, but the Palestinian people will pay for it." He urged the international community to pressure Israel to rescind the sanctions.

Israeli commentators have questioned whether the cuts will stop Palestinians launching rockets into the Negev. Some senior army officers have even suggested that they will provoke the gunmen to step up their attacks.

Matan Vilnai, the deputy defence minister, admitted to Israel Radio that they would not halt the Qassams. With an eye on foreign critics, he denied that the new policy amounted to collective punishment. It was, he argued, another step in Israel's disengagement from responsibility for Gaza.

Israeli human rights campaigners have appealed to the Supreme Court to rule that the sanctions violate international law. Sarit Michaeli, a spokeswoman for the B'tselem watchdog group, said: "Cutting fuel supplies into Gaza will only exacerbate the humanitarian problems that already exist. Israel still exercises enormous control over Gaza. Therefore, it has obligations under international law to allow the normal running of everyday life."

* The wife of Yigal Amir, who is serving a life sentence for assassinating Prime Minister Yitzhak Rabin 12 years ago, gave birth to their first child in a Jerusalem hospital yesterday. The prison service rejected his request for leave to attend the boy's circumcision, or for the ceremony to take place in the prison. A year ago legal authorities reluctantly granted the assassin conjugal visits with Larissa Trimbobler, a Russian immigrant with a PhD in philosophy who divorced her first husband to marry him.

http://news.independent.co.uk/world/middle_east/article3107350.ece

 

[Guest]

If "Hamas can get all the fuel it needs",maybe they should share some of that with the Palestinian people huh?I don't get it,they proclaim to run the strip but they also want to depend on an avowed enemy for fuel while lobbing missiles at Israeli civilians?Did I miss something?Democracy worked in the strip and the people voted,now they must sleep in the bed they made.

 

[Rosy Cheeks]

Fuel supplies has NOT been cut to the Gaza bank, they have been 'scaled down', which is not the same thing.
Also worth mentioning is that Israel is not blockading fuel supplies to Gaza, they're simply asking themselves why they should deliver fuel to a territory which is occupied by an extremist organization that proclaims the total destruction of the Israeli state, and has so far launched 800 Quassam rockets at Israeli (mostly civilian) settlements between June and September.

What other country in the world would support a terrorist organization with fuel, while they send explosives on civilians?

 

[Depths Of OG]

If it was the other way around, and Hamas had the ability to totally abiliterate the Israeli's with their nuclear weapons, they would have done it a lonnnng time ago. I think it's time Israel stops showing such restraint, and they do the world a favor. GET RID OF PALESTINE AND HAMAS!!!

 

[Nubie Biatch]

Depths of OG is on the money. Eliminate the terrorists and you will eliminate the problem. Israel is a sovereign democratic nation that has every right to defend itself against totalitarian regimes that train and support Islamic terrorists.

 

[dreamdancer]

The Gaza Strip (Arabic: قطاع غزة transliteration: Qitˁɑ' Ġazzah/Qita' Ghazzah, Hebrew: רצועת עזה‎ Retzu'at 'Azza) is a coastal strip of land along the Mediterranean, bordering Egypt on the south-west and Israel on the north and east. It is about 41 kilometers (25 mi) long, and between 6 and 12 kilometers (4–7.5 mi) wide, with a total area of 360 square kilometers (139 sq mi). The territory takes its name from Gaza, its main city. It has about 1.4 million residents, all Palestinians.

The Strip itself and its population are nominally governed by the Palestinian National Authority, though following the June 2007 battle of Gaza, actual control is in the hands of the de facto government dominated by Hamas. Israel controls the strip's airspace and offshore maritime access.

The Gaza Strip is not currently recognized internationally as a de jure part of any sovereign country.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gaza_strip

 

[Rosy Cheeks]

GET RID OF PALESTINE AND HAMAS!!!

Eliminate the terrorists and you will eliminate the problem.

Then what makes you any better than an indoctrinated Hamas member, who thinks he has to kill all Jews and Crusaders in the name of Allah?

That would simply be adopting radical islamic/arab nationalist reasoning.

 

[Nubie Biatch]

Then what makes you any better than an indoctrinated Hamas member, who thinks he has to kill all Jews and Crusaders in the name of Allah?

That would simply be adopting radical islamic/arab nationalist reasoning.

By that reasoning we shouldn't punish criminals because inflicting punishment on them is becoming like them.

I see what you are saying but there is right and wrong. That's the appeasement doctrine that was so popular leading up to WWII. Radical terrorist want to kill anyone they can who don't share their beliefs (many times they still kill people with their beliefs). Those of us who live in civilized societies maintain our security and freedoms by defending ourselves against terrorists that kill indiscriminately. That means in order to prevent mass genocide we have to act against those groups of people who have no respect for human life.

 

[okwildfire]

i see what your saying nubie..its a very tricky deal over there..dealing with the animals "hamas" is like dealing with a splinter in your eye....one false move..and you have the islamonazi jihadist wardogs trying to break down your door..

 

[dreamdancer]

The European Union cautioned Israel on Monday against imposing "collective punishment" against the 1.5 million Palestinians in the Gaza Strip by cutting of delivery of fuel supplies to the territory.

The protest came one day after Israel began reducing fuel supplies as part of a new sanctions policy in what Israel says is a response to Palestinian rocket fire on Israeli towns from the Hamas-controlled coastal enclave.

"I think collective punishment is never a solution," Benita Ferrero-Waldner, the EU's commissioner for external relations, told reporters in Jerusalem.

She said she would raise the issue in meetings with Israeli leaders during her visit.

http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/917832.html

 

[nycdfan042]

it has begun!!!!!ww3

 

[Guest]

Not so cool facts about Israel: http://iamthewitness.com/video/NOT.So.Cool.Facts.About.Israel.mov

 

[dreamdancer]

Israel's decision to cut power in Gaza is illegal, says UN

The UN's top official in Gaza will tell British ministers today that Israel's cuts in fuel and power to the Palestinians violate international law, while the isolation of Hamas has strengthened extremism and started to drive non-affiliated moderates who can leave Gaza to do so.

The UNRWA chief, who will meet Douglas Alexander, Secretary of State for International Development and other ministers in London today, said: "I can understand why from the Israeli point of view people may think we need a stronger reaction to the Qassams [and] nothing has worked so far. But I don't see how you can want to punish people, all of them in Gaza, which means most of them who are not behind these activities, in the way you are doing now." In an interview, Ms Koning-Abu Zayd said: "Most people, even in some of the refugee camps, live in high-rise apartments in Gaza and if you don't have electricity, you don't have water, you probably don't have food and if you're older or sick in any way you probably can't climb up and down all those stairs." A cut in fuel would have a "very serious" effect on civilian movement.

Ms Koning-Abu Zayd cast doubt on the idea that the Israeli squeeze on Gaza, including phased cuts in power – starting with 15 minutes per hour in towns such as Beit Hanoun, from which rockets have been frequently launched – would trigger an effective revolt against militants.

"I don't think it's working myself," she said, adding she did not think surveys showing a fall in support for Hamas were "very significant". She said: "The ones that do support them support them even more strongly and because things are getting worse the ones that were talking about compromise and moderation and working together are discredited so you know many people become more extreme."

http://news.independent.co.uk/world/middle_east/article3109896.ece

 

[Guest]

Well when the UN says something is illegal it must be the right thing to do..I feel for the people in the strip,I'm sorry they voted for extremism as opposed to moderation and I feel bad for the results of the decision THEY made.We voted GB in a second time and for that we are the worlds pariah,stupid stupid Americans lol.We must sleep in the bed we made as must the Palestinians.Isn't democracy wonderful!

 

[dreamdancer]

In order to reduce the freedom of operation of IDF units, Hamas sets up ambushes when they enter the Gaza Strip and also when they leave it.

Until recently, it was obvious who was winning this confrontation. The IDF has an enormous advantage in terms of firepower, observation, control of the air, armored vehicles and troop training. Dozens of IDF operations in the strip following the abduction of Gilad Shalit in the summer of 2006resulted in hundreds of Palestinian dead. During that period, the IDF suffered one dead soldier, killed by friendly fire.

But in recent months, the efforts by Iran and Hezbollah to improve Hamas's military capabilities are beginning to be felt. It is not only better weaponry, but also careful study of the lessons of the Second Lebanon War. Dozens of militants trained in Iran and Lebanon have managed to enter the strip and have subsequently created a system of control and coordination. There is a chain of command for every area, which operates a coordinated network of observation posts, infantry and antitank forces.

Due to the fact that the entry points of IDF forces are relatively limited and predictable, the chance for clashes is relatively high. Israel still has an advantage, but it is harder to emerge from these clashes unscathed.

The IDF also suffers from another limitation: The size of the force allotted to offensive operations in the strip is relatively small, while the tasks are enormous. The soldiers are being drained.

On Monday, Major Ehud Efrati was killed and a Golani soldier was seriously injured. How do these increased casualties, which include two soldiers lightly injured on Friday and another soldier killed two weeks ago, affect the likelihood of a large-scale operation in the strip? On one hand, such losses encourage the IDF to take fewer risks, which means employing more indiscriminate fire, and this leads naturally toward escalation. On the other hand, losses have a deterrent effect on the political leadership, as they drive home the point that a massive operation will not be a walk in the park.

http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/918243.html

 

[Backdoor man]

Israel is a sovereign democratic nation that has every right to defend itself against totalitarian regimes that train and support Islamic terrorists.

If only you had a basic grasp of history, you might then realise why those of us that have such a grasp are shocked but certainly not surprised at the sheer "chutzpah" of what you just wrote.




Israel is an Apartheid state founded on terrorism with a racial policy that makes the Nuremberg laws of Nazi Germany seem quite liberal in comparison, it has a long and well-documented history of state terrorism not only against the palestinian's and other Arab neighbours but against its own allies as we saw with the lavon affair and the attack on the USS Liberty.

 

[dreamdancer]

JEWISH terrorists plotted to assassinate Ernest Bevin, the foreign secretary, in 1946, as part of their campaign to establish the state of Israel, newly declassified intelligence files have shown. The plan was devised by Irgun, the insurgent group led by Menachem Begin, who went on to become a Nobel peace prize winner and prime minister of Israel.

Begin, whom MI6 believed was backed by the Soviet Union, planned to send five terrorist cells to Britain to carry out bombings and assassinations that would “beat the dog in his own kennel”.

The Jewish insurgents aimed to force British occupying forces out of Palestine, enabling the founding of the Jewish state. Details of the plot are included in MI5 files released at the National Archives in Kew, London.

Lord Bethell, author of The Palestine Triangle and an expert on Soviet intelligence, said Bevin was detested by Zionist groups. He added, however: “Zionists would be very angry if you compared these people with terrorists now. You have to remember that Irgun were the grandfathers of today’s ruling politicians.

“They would say they were at war with the British and behaved well, fighting under Marquess of Queensberry rules. They would say that they didn’t target civilians.”

Before the establishment of Israel in 1948, Britain governed the whole of Palestine under a mandate from the United Nations. Agitation among the Jewish population for a separate state escalated immediately after the second world war as refugees flooded in from Europe.

It reached its most intense point in July 1946, when the British headquarters at the King David hotel in Jerusalem was bombed by Jewish fighters dressed as Arabs with explosives contained in milk churns. Ninety-one people, 28 of them British, were killed.

The MI5 files contain a report suggesting that Irgun carried out the attack after drawing lots with two other militant groups, Stern and Hagana. Stern drew the lot to attack British ships in the Mediterranean while Hagana were chosen to attack army camps.

In August 1946, the month after the King David attack, Major James Robertson, head of MI5’s Middle East section, warned London that both Begin’s group and Stern were sending five terrorist cells to the capital to mirror IRA tactics of bombing and assassination.

http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article12205.htm

 

[Backdoor man]

Lord Bethell, author of The Palestine Triangle and an expert on Soviet intelligence, said Bevin was detested by Zionist groups. He added, however: “Zionists would be very angry if you compared these people with terrorists now. You have to remember that Irgun were the grandfathers of today’s ruling politicians.

Remember!!!
Lord Bethall fails to realise that most people were never given such information to be able to "remember" it, most people have no idea just how the Israeli terror state came about.

“They would say they were at war with the British and behaved well, fighting under Marquess of Queensberry rules. They would say that they didn’t target civilians.”

They tell lies though, well behaved is not torturing captured british squaddies and then hanging them by piano wire as the Irgun did...
...but i suppose not targetting civilians was nice of them.

It reached its most intense point in July 1946, when the British headquarters at the King David hotel in Jerusalem was bombed by Jewish fighters dressed as Arabs with explosives contained in milk churns. Ninety-one people, 28 of them British, were killed.

Hold on a minute we were just informed that "they" never targetted civilians.

The MI5 files contain a report suggesting that Irgun carried out the attack after drawing lots with two other militant groups, Stern and Hagana. Stern drew the lot to attack British ships in the Mediterranean while Hagana were chosen to attack army camps.

In August 1946, the month after the King David attack, Major James Robertson, head of MI5’s Middle East section, warned London that both Begin’s group and Stern were sending five terrorist cells to the capital to mirror IRA tactics of bombing and assassination.

So who wants to be the first to accuse MI5 of "Anti-semetic conspiracy theories"

 

[Guest]

Israel frequently kills civilian activists. Rachel Corrie is a good example. They just ran her over with a bulldozer and laughed.
http://iamthewitness.com/Bollyn/Bollyn-Rachel-Corrie.html

 

[Nubie Biatch]

Great website reference. Looks reputable to me if they have these directives on the front of their website.

"Call for a proper investigation into the September 11 th attack"

"Declare military, economic and political war on Israel"

I guess the conspiracy nuts are networking like never before. Damn the internet!!