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French drug trial gone wrong

igrowone

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take a look at the details here, you WILL be interested

(CNN)One person has been declared brain dead and five others are hospitalized in France after they participated in an early stage clinical trial for a new drug, French health officials said Friday.

The French Health Ministry is investigating what it calls a "serious accident."
Four of the patients may be permanently disabled with neurological damage, doctors in the northwestern city of Rennes said. One other person doesn't have symptoms but remains under medical surveillance.
The company conducting the testing said on its website the trial was administered "in full compliance with the international regulations and Biotrial's procedures were followed at every stage throughout the trial."
Biotrial International said it was "in close and regular contact with the Health Authorities and Ministry in France."
The first patients to get sick started to show symptoms on Sunday and were hospitalized in Rennes. The testing has been stopped, Health Minister Marisol Touraine said in a news conference Friday, and health authorities have been reaching out to the rest of the volunteers to let them know about these adverse effects.

French Social Affairs and Health minister Marisol Touraine and Professor Gilles Edan hold a news conference Friday.


The drug being tested is a painkiller meant to treat anxiety and motor disorders, and was designed to work on the body's endogenous cannabinoid system, which deals with pain. Earlier reports said the drug was related to cannabis, but Touraine insisted that the drug -- developed by the Portuguese science group Bial -- does not contain cannabis or cannabis extracts.
A total of 128 volunteers took part in the drug test. The subjects were between the ages of 18 to 55 and were considered healthy. Ninety people were given different level dosages of the drug and the rest got the placebo.
Volunteers began taking the drug on January 7 in early testing known in the industry as Phase I, in which it's determined if the drug is safe for human consumption. Scientists also measure the effectiveness of a drug at this phase and can watch to see how it reacts at different doses in the human body.
Earlier testing of the drug in question involved animals, the health minister said. While animals can react similarly to humans, their bodies can process substances differently. In order for any drug to get to market, it must go through several government-approved steps along the way that involve human subjects.
Such extreme adverse reactions to drugs in these early phases of drug trails are incredibly rare.
Bial pharmaceutical said in statement that throughout this trial, the new drug had already been administered to 108 patients "without any moderate or serious adverse reaction."
The French health ministry said it immediately sent agents to the medical facility to determine if all the rules had been followed in the testing and if the facility where the patients were staying during the trial maintained sanitary conditions. The facility was inspected in 2014 and the ministry said it had favorable inspections.
 

mowood3479

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this is one of several reasons why I wouldn't participate in expiramental drug trials..
i feel bad for the brain dead guy..
One minute ur getting paid to try out some new drugs n the next ur brain is a vegetable.
I guess they still have a few kinks to work out with this one..
I wonder if the fda have an acceptable rate for brain death from an rx drug.. Like 2 in 10,000 or something is cool but no go if it's 3 in 10,000.
idk just rambling
 
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m314

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Have they said what the drug is? Is it a cannabinoid receptor agonist, cannabinoid reuptake inhibitor, or something else?
 

igrowone

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Have they said what the drug is? Is it a cannabinoid receptor agonist, cannabinoid reuptake inhibitor, or something else?

i'm only aware of what's written in this article
this could have very large ramifications of similar drugs in the pipeline
if you want to manipulate the cannabinoid pathways, cannabis(the original) may be the current and future best game in town
 

m314

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i'm only aware of what's written in this article
this could have very large ramifications of similar drugs in the pipeline
if you want to manipulate the cannabinoid pathways, cannabis(the original) may be the current and future best game in town

Some of the synthetics have potential too. JWH-018 would be considered a wonder drug for lots of conditions if politics weren't involved. It has a huge margin of safety when it comes to dosing, compared to most pharmaceutical drugs. Just not 100% safety like with THC and full plant cannabis extracts.
 
So basically they gave *spice to some people and one guy went brain dead from a massive trip.
 
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m314

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"Bath salts" were cathinones and other designer stimulants like mephedrone and MDPV. Those have nothing to with drugs that prevent endocannabinoids like anandamide from being metabolized.

I wonder how this drug passed animal studies and only turned out to be dangerous in clinical trials.
 

m314

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LSD was tested a bit before it was put away. For a little while that is...

I've conducted extensive tests with it myself. :) Albert Hofmann's first trip was accidental. It changed the world once he figured out what it was.
 
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Earlier reports said the drug was related to cannabis, but Touraine insisted that the drug -- developed by the Portuguese science group Bial -- does not contain cannabis or cannabis extracts.
Those of us who know better likely respond to this statement with some variation of "No shit, cannabis doesn't kill you", but you know a lot of ignorant people out there reading that article are still scared by even such a tenuous connection as the word "cannabinoid", so they have to "insist" that the drug contains no cannabis for public-relations reasons :(

Distance the prescription drug from the big bad cannabis, while still attempting to mimic some of its effects on the cannibinoid receptors. Heh.

And those same people who are afraid of cannabis by and large don't realize that the primary determinant for whether a drug is available by prescription or not is whether or not it is safe to sell over the counter. All prescription drugs are unsafe, by definition. Either because of potential for abuse, or because of side effects, or both. It amazes me that so many people are so comfortable with prescription drugs and so scared by cannabis.

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"Bath salts" were cathinones and other designer stimulants like mephedrone and MDPV. Those have nothing to with drugs that prevent endocannabinoids like anandamide from being metabolized.

I wonder how this drug passed animal studies and only turned out to be dangerous in clinical trials.

I meant spice not bath salts or is it the same thing.. lo
My understanding is that chinese chemists are inventing synthetic cannbinoids and spraying it on plant material and putting it in foil packages labeled as incense or a collector item.
 
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m314

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I meant spice not bath salts or is it the same thing.. lo
My understanding is that chinese chemists are inventing synthetic cannbinoids and spraying it on plant material and putting it in foil packages labeled as incense or a collector item.

"Spice" was the first brand for a synthetic cannabinoid product like this. Some of the synthetic cannbinoids have real promise as medicines (and recreational drugs). There are thousands of different ones out there, some safer than others.

It sounds like this wasn't a cannabinoid, but a drug that would boost your levels of natural cannabinoids like anandamide. It must have some other unexpected effect for it to be this dangerous. I wouldn't think raising anandamide levels could cause brain damage or be deadly.
 

billy_big_bud!

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so they tried to unnaturally control human cannabinoid receptors and hurt people in the process?.......i will stick with mother natures solution.
 

igrowone

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here's the part that's hard for me to stomach:

The drug being tested is a painkiller meant to treat anxiety and motor disorders, and was designed to work on the body's endogenous cannabinoid system, which deals with pain

cannabis can do this very nicely, with extermely low side effects and extremely low costs
the classic what;s in it for pharma companies? murdering parasites(in this case anyways)
 

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