Freezing Nutrients ?

[DocLeaf]

Hi all

Can you freeze Organic Nutrients ???

Bare with us,,, it may sound ,,, we shall explain:

Doing a hydromorphology tests on Chitral (in pebble-coco-soil mix underglass)
http://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=20942

These plants will be fed/watered very little. Thinking about placing a small block of frozen ice in the middle of the bed to replicate melting mountain ice/snow; making a water course.


Has anyone tried this ??? (I've placed cola n ice-cubes on plants as a youth, ok) lol

Does anyone know if you can freeze organic nutrients ???

This would be
Thanks in advance

Doc(dizzle)leaf

 

[DocLeaf]

Hey all it's not a trick question
someone??? anyone??? peace dL

 

[Guest]

hey Doc..maybe Im stoned , but I dont get half of what your talkin about!LOL

you want to put icecubes on your plants, in your soil, or what? please explain ...so my stoned mind can comprehend. And what purpose would freezing your nutes do?

just very curious , since it seems that you have some sort of plan in your head .

 

[DocLeaf]

Hi Jayroah
yeah mon I n I is for sure

Dohar Pass, Afghanistan/Pakistan frontier,
Snow gathers on Mt. Tirich Mir in autumn,
Snow melts and irrigates valley floor below,
Average annual rainfall in Chitral region is 7inch.

Chrital, as a wild cultivar, recieves minimal amounts of water; that which descends from Mt. snow/ice.

It would be interesting to replicate this effect by placing ice on substrait, allowing it to melt into the bucket. For plain water application this will be ok.

The main problem is how to apply bloom ferts using this method

Hence Can you freeze organic nutes?

peace n bloom
Docleaf

 

[Guest]

can i have what youre smoking ? sounds heavy duty? frozen nutes? glacier effect? fuk ive heard it all now , Why dont you putt some gelatin in it like jello? slowly melts away and ads flavor , koolaide glacier effect.

 

[Opt1983]

Docleaf, i like the way you think! When you grow indoors you want to totally replicate mother nature as best you can...ur just taking it one step further! I'd like to see how that goes if it's possible, maybe it's some ancient legend that doubles your yield . -Opt

 

[DocLeaf]

can i have what youre smoking ? sounds heavy duty? frozen nutes? glacier effect? fuk ive heard it all now.

Dude you aint heard the half of it yet... lifes a long road and its a tuff race... lol

This is what I n I is smoking. Saxon Axe to the clot, str8 from lions den, jah bless

"who said crime pays..?"

 

[DocLeaf]

Thanks Opt1983

Ok. The method isn't open to consensus. This Chitral WILL be fed ice! There is no escaping this fact! lol



The question. Can you freeze organic nutes? ???

It is all to easy to dismiss something you haven't done! huh?

"here's what is and what isn't true,,, it's just one of those days" K no.

 

[DocLeaf]

Guess there is only one way to find out...

 

[persianp]

I'm interested to see where this goes...

 

[Guest]

Doc, don't organic nutes often freeze in nature? (Not being a smartass... it's a very interesting experiment and I'm just thinking along with ya here.) But wouldn't it be the same as having bone meal or guano or manure in the ground over the winter?

 

[DocLeaf]

Doc, don't organic nutes often freeze in nature? (Not being a smartass... it's a very interesting experiment and I'm just thinking along with ya here.) But wouldn't it be the same as having bone meal or guano or manure in the ground over the winter?

yes canine, thanks for placing thing in perspective

Most folk 'claim' that bottled organic nutes cannot be frozen?

perhaps they are not organic... lol

It's time to get real ppl... its spring time on-ready ya-know

 

[BruceLeeroy]

i think it depends on the "organic" nutrients. some organic nutrients are chemical compounds extracted from organic sources. these might be bad to freeze. some organic nutrients are actually mixed up organic sources sterilized and bottled which rely on bacterial action to break them into usable form. would probably vary from type to type, only way to find out would be tests

keep in mind, just because the plants have a certain environment in nature does NOT mean that is the best way to grow them. nature is stressful as hell, that's why there is such a thing as evolution.

i still think it's a cool experiment lol

peace

 

[Suby]

I don't see why they could not be frozen unless the are microbiologically active.
Soil microbes are damaged by freezing weather or very high temps like baking in an oven.
If you were to freeze dried guanos and liquid kelp in ice before it had time to steep in the water that might work.
I think you would have greater sucess without the coco IMHO, if rainfall is limited then a soil mix with 20% vermiculite would work much better given the conditions you mentioned.
If your thinking of freezing bottled ferts it's happened to me before when leaving them in my car in the winter, the PureBlend Grow and Bloom work after the freeze (the Pro is NOT organic but it worked too).

Sub's

PS keep this shit going, an inteligent test with regards to organics is hard to come by.

 

[Neptune]

Doc,

Brother,

Friend,

You have gone off the deep end.

 

[DocLeaf]

Thanks folks

Suby: the only problem with freezing guano (bat n bird) is that it may deposit on the surface when ice melts. The mix already contains alittle sea-bird guano. The measure of water is also an issue, since we normally water by eye, humm Was thinking of freezing an application of Dr Hornby Iguana Juice Bloom, in bloom.

The reason coco/pebble was used is because the Chitral region is rather arid.
see thread >> http://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=20942&page=3&pp=15

please keep it flowing folks
peace dLeaf

 

[Guest]

Good thinking DocLeaf. Most of Nitrogen rich 100% organic ferts I've seen were pretty dense or thick if you will and I certainly can tell from my life experience, most dense substances tend either to decompose or solidify further. But then, I'm not a chemist.

I believe overwatering with ice is of no issue to anyone with a lesson into conventional overwatering and lockup/aeration prob hand-sting at some point.

 

[Guest]

Isn't it the case that (I'm totally guessing because I don't recall exactly) below the surface like 10-15" the temperature is a constant 58 degrees or something?

At 58 degrees, microbial life would still be active, so perhaps the plants are growing in conditions including ice runoff, etc.... but their roots are actually tapping into (unfrozen) nutrients deeper in the soil.

Are the Chitral plants in the wild fed nutrients through the glacial/ice runoff?

 

[DocLeaf]

Are the Chitral plants in the wild fed nutrients through the glacial/ice runoff?

yes they are.

 

[Guest]

Wow, that's amazing. No nutrients in the soil... it's all coming from the runoff?

Very cool, what you're doing, btw, Doc.