Foxtailing week 8 flower?

[giroldo]

Hi guys,

I have 16 plants taking up about half of a 5x5. The shorter ones are under a 1000 and the taller ones are under a 600

The 1000 is sealed and vented out which allows it to run pretty cool. I believe I made the mistake of running the 1000 way too close to the plants, about 10 inches. Some of the plants under the 1000 had huge tight buds connecting up to 12 to 16 inches and now a few are showing some fox tails.

Is this bad? I'm on day 60 exactly and just fed today. I still don't even have any amber trichones yet. I was planning to start flushing for 10 days once I saw amber, but now I am thinking of starting to flush because of the fox tails.

Any input?

 

[moses wellfleet]

As always we need pictures...

There is genetic fox tailing, which is beautiful. And I believe there can be a similar cork screwing effect from high nitrogen during flowering. Buds that are stretching out of their compact shape due to heat damage, I wouldn't call that fox tailing. You want to avoid that at all costs.

10 inches for a 1K sounds way too close.

 

[giroldo]

I'll get pictures tomorrow. I was planning on shutting off the 600 and putting everything under the 1000 about 2.5 feet away.

 

[moses wellfleet]

Does it look ugly, heat damage is a most terrible sight? As I said genetic fox tailing has a beautiful appearance.

What strain is it btw?

 

[Tynehead Tom]

my black tunas hit 8 weeks , letting them go to 11 before chopping. last feed with koolbloom added and they blew up like crazy, from a typical bud shape to these knarly chunky buds, exploding with stacked columns of calyxes in random directions. It's far out It looks like foxtailing but they are thick and frosty and rock hard.

 

[giroldo]

It's some bagseed. Whether they're different seeds or the same batch there is a nice variety of phenotypes, some stalky 3 footers with 12 to 16 inch colas that are tight, to some tall sativas. Also a few of the mentioned plants with the foxtail looking nugs. It may be genetics because it doesn't look like anything bad is happening. The sativa Dom is strong in the fact that some of the top colas still have white hairs.

If I raise the light up enough will the fox tailing reverse?

 

[moses wellfleet]

Heat damaged buds will continually push out white hairs. Once damaged like that it cannot be reversed, buds will also be sub standard. Lack of resin and smell etc... Learn from it and rectify the problem for next run. You have to fuck up to learn, don't stress!

 

[Morphote]

You have to fuck up to learn, don't stress!

Words to live by!

M.

 

[giroldo]

 

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[giroldo]

My best guess was heat stress. That said, I took out the 600 from the room and raised the 1000 up enough to cover them all. About 4x4 area and 2 feet above the canopy now.

I'm on day 60 from the flip and these seem mostly sativa. Should I go another 3 weeks? One moe week of feeding then a 2 week flush?

 

[Crazy Composer]

I can see a bit of stress they've suffered, based on the crinkly leaves. This is my clue as to why you have foxtails. Yes, some varieties get foxtaily naturally, but WAY more often than not the reason is a growth stunt followed by a growth spurt.

When, for instance, a plant goes too dry once, or gets overfed, or experiences a pH issue that gets corrected, etc, there will be a slow down in bud growth. The stunted calyx clusters will sometimes NOT resume outward growth, while other clusters will recover and push outward. Those surviving clusters become foxtails. When you see all the empty spaces between the foxtails, you are looking at the space where the bud was, under more optimal conditions, supposed to expand to. This helps you imagine what the bud should have looked like without any hiccups along the way. This is assuming of course that it is not mere genetics causing the tails. Most, MOST foxtails are not simply genetic. There are exceptions, like some in the DJ Short Blueberry family and a few others I have seen that seem to foxtail very easily... But this could also be that the BB family is more prone to growth hiccups. Maybe.

 

[giroldo]

I can see a bit of stress they've suffered, based on the crinkly leaves. This is my clue as to why you have foxtails. Yes, some varieties get foxtaily naturally, but WAY more often than not the reason is a growth stunt followed by a growth spurt.

When, for instance, a plant goes too dry once, or gets overfed, or experiences a pH issue that gets corrected, etc, there will be a slow down in bud growth. The stunted calyx clusters will sometimes NOT resume outward growth, while other clusters will recover and push outward. Those surviving clusters become foxtails. When you see all the empty spaces between the foxtails, you are looking at the space where the bud was, under more optimal conditions, supposed to expand to. This helps you imagine what the bud should have looked like without any hiccups along the way. This is assuming of course that it is not mere genetics causing the tails. Most, MOST foxtails are not simply genetic. There are exceptions, like some in the DJ Short Blueberry family and a few others I have seen that seem to foxtail very easily... But this could also be that the BB family is more prone to growth hiccups. Maybe.

So since some of my plants were stunted, how do i respond to that? Do i give them extra flower time or still chop? Im just not sure what the best course of action is.

 

[Crazy Composer]

They look like they're recovering now, which is all you can ask for, really.

 

[moses wellfleet]

I had a strain that was very prone to this. You either had to grow with a very bulb or grow outdoors. Any kind of heat from above was a disaster. Reeferman burmaberry

 

[giroldo]

Thanks guys. Will there be any negative consequences of removing the 600w?