flower day 14 please help! possible Magnesium def.

[senseless]

hey guys, give me a hand, im on day 14 flower pistils are showing.... dont want my buds to suffer!!

heres the pictures....im thinking its magnesium deficiancy due to the interveinal chlorosis (yellowin between green veins) and the leaf tips curling upward. so im thinking of watering with 5ml per gallon cal mag plus.

what do you guys think....the ph is ok......please give input. i had this huge plant ifirmarary help form filled out then my computer froze..figures... ill write it again tomarrow if you need it. but i got to get off here real fast. CHECK OUT MY 3/4 GROWLOG FOR ALL THE DETIALS ON HOW I GREW THEM.

leaf tips are pointing up but its hard to see.












thanks for any help!!!

 

[Brother_Monk]

You don't have to write the whole thing out manually bro. Just copy/paste the form then go back and fill in pertinent info.

edit: I see your information in the other thread you started...with the same problem. Is this just a mirror image of that thread? How'd that fungus gnat thing turn out?

Seems you keep having the same difficulty over and over. There's something you are doing, or using/not using, that needs to be changed. These clones are all in seperate containers yes? Same soil that you were using before? Same nutes? Have you tried using the cal/mag or are you waiting for somebody to tell you?

I just read your whole grow thread, and I have a few questions for you. Are you still using the recycled soil? Because if you are still using the same soil, and the same nutes, you need to feed them more of the PBP. What you are feeding them is not enough. Give them some cal/mag and a little more high N ferts. It seems your trouble started when you gave them the shot of 0-7-0 budswell just after the flip? They need quite a lot more N for the first few weeks of flowering. I'm thinking they are hungry. One more thing...did you leach the soil before recycling it?

Peace
BM

 

[instant~karma]

To me it looks like you need some N, more than Mag. The cal-mag is what you need for sure.

 

[senseless]

You don't have to write the whole thing out manually bro. Just copy/paste the form then go back and fill in pertinent info.

edit: I see your information in the other thread you started...with the same problem. Is this just a mirror image of that thread? How'd that fungus gnat thing turn out?

Seems you keep having the same difficulty over and over. There's something you are doing, or using/not using, that needs to be changed. These clones are all in seperate containers yes? Same soil that you were using before? Same nutes? Have you tried using the cal/mag or are you waiting for somebody to tell you?

I just read your whole grow thread, and I have a few questions for you. Are you still using the recycled soil? Because if you are still using the same soil, and the same nutes, you need to feed them more of the PBP. What you are feeding them is not enough. Give them some cal/mag and a little more high N ferts. It seems your trouble started when you gave them the shot of 0-7-0 budswell just after the flip? They need quite a lot more N for the first few weeks of flowering. I'm thinking they are hungry. One more thing...did you leach the soil before recycling it?

Peace
BM

1. i coppied and pasted it and filled it out then my comp froze and i had to go so i just made a quick post. theres more than enough information in my growlog than i could write down anyway.

2 its not exactly the same problem as the other thread but possibly close. im bug bombing the gnats today.

3. ive been doing everything how you should do it. i have pure blend grow, pure blend bloom, pbp bloom soil, cal mag plus, liquid karma, hydroguard, budswell dry bat guano, and mychorizae innoculant. i never feed full strength. and havnt used any of those things yet to water the soil with except hydroguard and Budswell 0 7 0 bat guano the first day of 12 12. and ive been foiler spraying with cal mag and it seems to slow down the yellowing. i was told that fox farm ocean forest soil had enough nutreints for the first 3 weeks. maybe the coco in the Readygro leached some nutreints out of the ocean forrest?
the clones are in seperate containers with NEW soil i bought. 50-50 mixture of fox farm ocean forrest and Botanicare Readygro areation mix.
i havnt used cal mag yet because the soil is to moist to water. just foiler sprays.
hopefully the soil is dryed today then i can hit them with the cal mag.

thanks for the replyies.

 

[Core]

i have had the same problem with the plants in veg right now...used a verry hot soil and that trew me of...so after a while i got the same symtoms ..i aslo thought it woz Mg def ..but after addig epsom salts it just got worse...so then i added weak feeding and after 2 days new growth woz back 2 normal...

the diffrence is little hard 2 see ....N def is more transparent/yellowing between veins and Mg is more transparent/light green,white between the veins..

and as you might now..the leaves wont regenerate...so you gonne need 2 keep them as healty as you can otherwise leaves gonne have rustspots verry soon...

just my

if you want i trow up pics 2 night...

 

[20kw dreams]

The condition you have is often misdiagnosed as an Mg I've done the same thing. It was actually a lockout. This is the kind of shit that makes growing difficult, when your problems are symptomatic of 2 possabilities at 2 totally opposite ends of the spectrum. I had the same look, which progressed into necrotic patches between the viens like a bad Mg or Ca def, so I fed them some cal-mag. Next day prob was getting worse at a faster rate then ever. I realized that If adding the deficient nutrient was not correcting the deficiency, then it must be a lockout. I was adding too much K to my coco, as PBP is high is K, which is bad in coco. After switching to Canna Coco, 2.5-2-1.5, and reducing my nutrient strength, my problems cleared up w/in days.

Anyways, my point is, the problem you are having is a symptomatic one caused by an unfavorable condition in the rootzone, which is for some reason slowing the ability of the plant to pull up nutrients correctly.

In other words, check your ph, your watering habits, EC or PPM of the soil (search for "pour thru method"). Get your ph in the high 5's to low 6's, your EC at about 1.0 or 700ppm. Rootbound is another possability.

A note on PH and "soil" - bagged potting soils are in fact not soil, but soilless blends. follow nutrient ph chart accordingly. Definately keep them below 6.5.

If you don't have an EC meter and Ph meter, I would suggest a heavy watering with a 1/2 strength nutrient, ph'ed so you target ph is 1/2 way between your water ph and you starting soil ph.

and one more thing - please don't expect people to go to another thread and read your information. This is somewhat rude, considering people are already going out of thier way to help you. It will also deter responses.

Peace out

 

[Guest]

Test ph In veg you can have up to but 7, however in flowering keep that ph alittle lower around 6.2-6.5 if in soil. Sometimes when you grow big plants the nutes you are using just don't have enough npk rating in them to supply the plant sufficiently. I have a strain that i have to add extra N no matter what. Test your ph, make sure your lighting cycle is 12/12 any longer could cause bleaching. Simply use a nutrient lock out many out there to make sure you don't have a lock out. If it persists yo are low on something.

 

[Brother_Monk]

I have used FFOF for flowering plants with no problems. The problems started when I tried to start rooted clones in this mix. It is hot. 20KW is right about what he said. It "looks" like an Mg/Cal problem. After reading all the way through your growthread(start to finish), I thought I read that you re-used the soil you had the problems with. But now I see you are using something totally different. Maybe my eyes were playing tricks on me after all the reading. Anyways...I'm leaning toward agreeing with 20KW about the lockout. That mix is not meant for clones. I know from experience. If they were bigger, they may be able to handle it.

Peace
BM

 

[senseless]

you guys are awsome. thanks for the great information. im so glad you guys help cuz i was going to water with only cal mag. that would have been bad. this is the first time ive heard about ocean forest being to hot for clones. wish i knew earlyer lol. what would be a more ideal soil for rooted clones?

20kw dreams- since i added a coco based mix to the fox farm ocean forrest do you think ill have a problem with pbp soil having too much K for the coco? i mixed botanicare ReadyGro with fox farm ocean forrest.

ph seems to be fine, i watered with 6.4 in. and got a runoff ph of 6.4. no change. the EC is to low and doesnt even show up on my meter(below .4ec). duh im an idot. that could be a big clue to why im defficent?


THANKS AGAIN!

 

[senseless]

i watered them with 15ml pure blend pro bloom soil, 5ml cal mag plus, and 10ml liquid karma per gallon. ph with nutrients added was 6.4. runoff was 6.4. no change! hopefully someone can learn something from this.

this picture is 2 days after i watered them with^^^^ they seem to be getting better. they definately needed some food.


hopefully i got things fixed in time. buds are starting to form on the grapefruit and blueberry kush(not shown).