Fish Sh!t... Worth an arm and a leg??

[mean mr.mustard]

I see a few people using it and am curious what you think about the stuff.
I really don't like the price tag, but perhaps it's effective enough to justify the cost.

 

[Douglas.Curtis]

The Actual fish poop pellets? The results from rabbit make me want to quit looking at anything else. Less expensive than fish shit?

 

[mean mr.mustard]

It's a product that I am guessing is just fish emulsion. It comes in an aluminum bottle.

Rabbits multiply quickly and I have other plans for the small bit of backyard I do have. They do provide fur and food but I doubt that I can dispatch something so cute and cuddly.

I have no doubt that I can throw fish after fish into a wood chipper.

I really don't want to do either.

What are you using for your beneficials Doug? Just rabbit poop?

I have heard of Mammoth P being effective.

 

[flylowgethigh]

I went through a bottle of Mammoth P and still have no idea what it is supposed to do.

 

[Cerathule]

P-solubilizing arboreal endomyks trade P to your plants in exchange for carbohydrates. This process is governed by the plants need for P, which is hard to mobilize/assimilate, the myks act like an outsourced exudate fabrication tools. In times of P abundance, the plant just lets the myks die, and rather uses the sugar for itself.

There's a well-written review out there explaining all these mechanisms in great detail.

Outfitted with such knowledge it's really easy to design a study showing the potential benefits of endomyks. But if fertilizing a plant correctly, esp. with mineralic fertilizer, or nutrition-loaded indoor substrate, there's almost 0 benefit. The myks just die if the plant has P.

Mykhorriza has become a huge moneymaking machine aggressively advertised in growforums but the science is against it. It's either pointless or you grow your plant in a deficient state by default so that myks can actually work.

 

[Douglas.Curtis]

Rabbit poop has all the essentials, packed with nearly 4 times the nutrients of cow manure. Using it as a foliar is straight awesome for vegging plants, round out what's missing for them in a big way.

Ya Doan have to kill the bunnies Mon. lol They are definitely cute, they are litter pan trainable, awesomely sociable creatures who like routine and attention.

I've seen major differences in the past when using glomus intraradices (Wallace's Organic Wonder) and dislike transplanting without it. I'm out as of 2 weeks ago and the difference shows.

 

[RobFromTX]

I see a few people using it and am curious what you think about the stuff.
I really don't like the price tag, but perhaps it's effective enough to justify the cost.

It makes your grow room smell funky i can vouch for that. I used it for a while during veg but the truth is its little more than molasses with some fish juice. I know soils like FFOF already have plenty of nitrogen in it and you can end up burning plants by adding stuff like this even if its organic. I did it with bio grow. Just my two cents. I grow with biobizz bloom and love it but I don't start until flowering to prevent nute burn

 

[mean mr.mustard]

Seems like it's not worth it so far....

 

[TheDarkStorm]

It is highly concentrated....so the dose is tiny....so a small bottle will stretch....I have used it myself in the past...though because it upped the ph of the soil I didnt really use it enough to know if its actual has any actual positive effect....I suppose if your soil is a bit off it is good to get it live again an get the micro life going in it...an maybe up its water holding capacity....but bar that I personally didn't see any positive past that.....I actually found it a bit of a pain in the backside due to how it effects ph.....your probably better off getting some fulvic an humic additive which actually do work good..an when using them ive found the feed levels can be cut almost in half too.

 

[Cerathule]

I've seen major differences in the past when using glomus intraradices (Wallace's Organic Wonder) and dislike transplanting without it. I'm out as of 2 weeks ago and the difference shows.

Of course you are seeing differences... the product you used is a NPK fertilizer.

G. intraradices only needs to applied a single time - directly to the taproot of a seedling, and from then onwards will grow alongside any new roots.

But only if the plant actually wants it.

You'd be surprised how soil tests here confirmed how P-fertilization greatly reduced naturally occuring mykorrhiza varieties. Since alot of P is bound within soil farmers are offered myk-products as an alternative to P-ferts. But doing both at the same time is just a waste as it doesn't do anything more.
That is why good Myk-products contain N only for a starter.

 

[mean mr.mustard]

I'm sorry for not following the chemistry, but does any of that apply to fish shit?

I think it is mainly bacteria and not fungus.

 

[Douglas.Curtis]

I did not say I use Wallace's NPK products, only the intraradices product. You know, the mychorrizal inoculant?

Interesting how you assume I use it incorrectly, though you describe how I use it as the correct way.

Yes... it definitely works with cannabis.

 

[Douglas.Curtis]

Wallace Organic Wonder Mycorrhizal Inoculant i a super - concentrated, fast - growing, organic, single species of Endo Mycorrhizal Fungi containing only Rhizophagus Intraradices. formally known as Glomus intraradices. Containing a minimum of 300 propagules / gram.

 

[Douglas.Curtis]

Now back to the regularly scheduled fish shit program. Lol

 

[nono_fr]

This guy use fish sh!t to grow his vegetables - building aquaponics from ceramic tiles and cement !!!

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[Cerathule]

I did not say I use Wallace's NPK products, only the intraradices product. You know, the mychorrizal inoculant?

Interesting how you assume I use it incorrectly, though you describe how I use it as the correct way.

Yes... it definitely works with cannabis.

I'm sorry my bad I looked at the wrong product, right.
It's interesting they just use G. intraradices spores and no other, so you definitely can be sure to give these if applied. Have you ever looked at the roots through x200 to see the fine webs?

 

[exploziv]

I don't think we really need to extract fish poop from water when we got so many composts and other compostables that aren't used to full potential, everywhere, locally. It may be worth growing food in aquaponics so that the plants provide the service of cleaning the water in place, but seems stupid to extract fish shit. I bet the fish keeping places could find a use for the shit water.. like watering compost with it or simply applying it diluted on their fields. Ot just sell it locally to the farmers in liquid form.
It may take a while for us to get that, but we do need to take care of our waste, and do it locally. It isn't ecological if you have to extract, process, package and carry fish shit for hundreds of km/miles to be used.

 

[xet]

Rabbit is a cold manure too so no worries about composting first.

 

[GCG937]

I've used Fish sh!t, I didn't see any results that made me want to keep using it. Now as far as the rabbit manure, it's fire. Best sh!t around.

 

[Smoke_A_Lot]

It's a bunch of bullshit! I remember on Facebook the guy who created it was pitching it to newbies in grow groups like it's something essential they need and if they don't use it then their grows will suffer. I pointedly questioned the guy and he didn't take criticism well. Not like it matters now, the guy died. Nothing like a good ol' snake oil salesman.

Also social media like Facebook is a gift and a curse. A gift that you can connect with other growers and a curse because group admins often collude with scam sellers of products and seeds. If you say any little thing they don't like you'll be banned from the group so fast you can't blink. Glad I'm off any social media.