First time, hold my hand.

[SpookyGrow]

Ok well I started to germ afew seeds back on the 23rd of Nov I believe. It started as just playing around - then it turned into a all out "I've got to keep the girls alive!" ... I gathered anything and everything I had, Heres my list of stuff...

This stuffs getting stuffed away in the closet. I believe the space in its all is 40" high, 22" wide, and 22" deep.
Miracle Grow (slow release ferts, not having any problems with it yet.) sits right at 7pH.
pH meter (soil)
5" fan
16liter pot (its rectangle in shape, I'm guessing since alot of people use 5liter pots these will be fine to support 2 or 3 plants.)
small pots to start the germ (two have been transplanted into the larger pot)
I'm going to be using CFLs - I'm just for the most part looking to see if I've got the green thumb. Right now I've got two CFLs, one warm, one cold. One is a 40W(warm), the other is a 60W(the cold one). I believe the two all together are putting out 6000 lumens. I've got an addition two lights on the way, another warm and cold. Should be an addition 6000 ish lumens as well.


Additional items on the way -
Rockwool
pH up + pH down kit, with pH water test strips.

Either way heres the questions...

Will my 16 liter pot be ok? I understand that plants should have their own pot - but with my limited growing space, and a 5 liter per-plant section should be good for housing a 20ish" girl? Would you suggest putting a divider in between these plants to keep the roots from fighting each other?

When should I start to apply ferts? This is whats making me nervous - I see to many burn cases with using MG slow release soil. I bought MG liquid, I think its a 14-6-4 mix off hand, but there are no directions as to which portions I should use - it simply says "attach to miracle grow hose attachment, and spray once every 7 - 14 weeks." ... I think I got a crap fert. Debating about going to Tiger bloom and Big grow combo.

Either way this is my first attempt, not going to try any tricky things that I don't understand like FIM, or Scrog I think it is? I don't even know what these things are.

Oh and the last thing thats always on my mind - I'm abit worried, that stuff does it to me - ain't ya guys worried about getting cought from using this website?

 

[d4.]

Ditch the miracle grow, it'll make your bud taste and smoke crappy - unless someone has a different opinion? I'd recommend Pure Blend Pro personally.

Give it 10-14 days before you start to fert, if you see signs of burning...stop.

 

[PHANTOM]

Hey SpookyGrow

I have to agree with d4, lose the miracle grow, its for growing roses and such IMO, as for getting caught, don`t give away any details or post pics that could give away your identity or location.

Good Luck.

PEACE

PHANTOM

 

[Dr Dog]

well I do not know of too many people using 5 liter pots, 5 liter is 1.3 gallons, that is way too small, to get any nice buddage
16 L is only 4.22 gallons, that is just about what you should be growing on plant in

There is nothing to complicated about scrogging, you would probably want to try something like a LST method, you can find all sorts of info on anything just by searching it at the top.

Good luck with your grow

 

[guest101]

I guess it makes sence to cultivate in 5L, or in 15L, or even in 30L...
It depends on the setup, the technique, ... even on the type of soil!!

I made some beautifull ~35cm kolas in my first grow with just 5.5L of soil each...
If its going to be very bushy or very hight offcourse ~5L will limit them...
But for a SOG seems kind of perfect for that ~50-60cm plants. ~20*20cm horizontal for each.

Good luck mate!

 

[SpookyGrow]

Yeah I have 40" of upward area, but I won't be able to use all of that... figure soil in, and light room requirements - I might have around 25" if that. So I was wondering if this small pot would work for my setup - I've seen plants growing big in smaller places in smaller pots. I don't have any local shops at which sell better soil, nore do I feel on a high enough level to fully make my own soil - which is why I went with the slow release so I can delay killing my babies with ferts until I'm down the road more (LOL)

As for LSTing, FIMing, and Scrog - I've no clue what these are - I'm going to look into them.

I'll try to look into better pots - or would you guys suggest bags? I've seen alot of people using bags - I guess they just poke holes in the bottom of the bags?

I've looked into Fox Farm, interested in Ocean forest, or Happy frog - but I can't find it for cheap... Any suggestions would be lovely. I find it for 14.99 on amazon - get all excited, and look to see 20 dollars shipping and handling...

Either way I might throw a pic in here of my setup in awhile- any addition advice is more then welcomed.

 

[Mrpiston38]

dude take a look at my post and you can see lst at work and how to do it as well as femming... it in this forum and its titles UKNOWN BAGSEED STEP IN AND SEE..

gl

Mr.p

 

[SpookyGrow]

Gotcha, I think I'll go with topping, and LSTing. I've got afew plants going and I figure I'd rather have my first grow be a learning expo rather then a straight forward regular ass grow. I'm going to stick with MG slow release my options are rather limited soil wise at this time. Maybe next grow I'll look into ocean forest.

 

[shovelhead]

I have grown in Miracle-Gro using no additional fertilizers. You could go to your local Lowes or Home Depot and buy some cheap ferts,Alaskan Fish Emulsion for veg is pretty cheap,or just put 3-4 drops of what you've got in a gallon of water,just remember less is more,do not over-think/water/fertilize your babies. Try and pick up a couple of pots or any containers,aprox 3 gals for one full size plant. I've never had good luck runnning multiple plants in a single container,one invariably gets larger and starts to dominate. Plus if you get a male and have to cull him his roots will be tangled up with the girls.

 

[FRANKENBLUNT420]

sounds like your stuck with home depot stuff, but thats not a problem, they also have the espoma line of ferts(dry) and then theres blood/bone meal or even the miracle gro organic line, and just mix it with something peat based, thats what blazeoneup did, and his results are undeniable.

i totally agree with you though, just use this as a learning expo and thigns will be fine, remember alotta nitrogen in teh veg state, and then go hard with the flowering nutes when you transplant the plants to larger pots or a pot. i jsut find mixing organic nutes in the soil is alot better and easier to deal with even with soil.

to each his own though, i wish you well, but please ditch the miracle gro. anything other than the organic (IMO) is asking for trouble down the line.

 

[SpookyGrow]

well I got organic soil(MG), along with a addition 16l triangle pot. I bought bone and blood meal as well. I wanted to try the organic vs slow release MG and see how things turn out. This is my first grow as I stated before and more or less not worried about yeild, but over all knowledge and experience for my next... I've got over 150 watts in CLFs now, not sure on numbers but I'm getting there. I have addition ligts on the way... the more the better. The room is staying arund 75-80 F', and 40% humidity, I seem to be having trouble getting it up abit more... scared of spyder mites!!!! Any advise on bringing it up would be lovely - is the fan drying the room to much thus decreasing the humidity?

with this limited space I think I can cram 6 plants into it. With the organic soil I did 1tbsp of blood and 1 of bone, mixed into over 1sq foot of soil. I kept in mind that with ferts less can be more - so I didn't want to over due it.

I hear people complaining about the tastes of MG slow release, so well see - I'll have a organic setup and regular chem ferts setup.

Lights - I've now to two 60watt full spec lights on the outside of the plants and one 40watt warm light (I think its 3000k) in the center. I've got addition warm lights ready to be swap'd if I make it to flowering...

Any addition advise would be lovely. I would like to still change pots, but I keep forgetting to grab either atleast 5liter in size CLAY pots, or some damn bags.
Also looked into LSTing, and FIMing - I want to top the plants rather then tie them down this run, any addition information on this would be lovely - I know that you leave 10% of the new shoot thats coming up and it will turn into two - but I want to see were the blade exactly goes - just that kinda guy. If anyone has pictures of this I'd love to see. I've seen before and after shots of topping... just nervous about cutting my babies...

 

[SpookyGrow]

Tempature up - humidity down!???!? gah.

I'm anywere from 85-91F, and around 40% humidity if I'm lucky, its generally in the 30s range as well. I've got two fans going, keeping the air moving but I guess this isn't enough to keep the heat down - ontop of the addition fans now I guess that helps keep the room not very humid...

Its a small closet that doesn't have any reall intake/exhaust system setup. Just 1 5" fan, and one 12" fan. (5" at the bottom of the closet - 12" on a rack up above the whole setup blowing downward) no direct wind on the plants, all on a lower setting as well...

 

[SpookyGrow]

How far away do you guys that use CFLs keep them away from the plant? I've been keeping mine around 3 - 4" away...

 

[Floro Joe]

How far away do you guys that use CFLs keep them away from the plant? I've been keeping mine around 3 - 4" away...

As close as you can without burning them.About the with of your finger.Make sure you have good airflow enveloping them.

 

[SpookyGrow]

Whats a grow with photos?

Whats a grow with photos?

Well it looks like they fixed the upload problem. My babies are in sligtly over 5liter pots. The ones that have been transplanted into their final home. I only have a upward grow of 22" before as I said (from soil) doing it with all CFLs, (at which I'll most likely learn my lession and switch to a HPS light next round.) Either way I've got a series of plants going, over 12 - incase I get some males. I wanted to be able to get atleast 4 down. Each CFL is 60W. One is a warm (3000K) and the other are white (6000K). I keep them around 1 - 2" away from plant. Some of the youngest are only 4 - 5 days old.

The largest is 17 days old today - named her Hope... because I hope I don't kill her on my first grow. I'll keep you fellas posted.




On a additional note - that little fan is gone. I have a slightly larger fan above them on a rack blowing indirectly down on the lowest setting. Temp stays at 84ish now with 44%humidity. The ones in the smaller pots I'll most likely let them fend for themselves once I decided on the more dominate plants I have going. Its bagseed so I wanted to gamble with larger odds on my half. I realize that its not really sufficient light for all those babies.