First time clone experiment

[DevinsDad]

Bagseed seen in other thread, Took one cutting, Cut under water at 45 degree angles and did 2 vertical slits, then you can see the rest, just took a new growth branch off the bottom, and did not use any rooting agents and using no dome, Since the Main or mother is still in veg, I just sat this bad boy in there beside her.



Any thoughts? Will this in the end fail?

 

[foomar]

Would be suprised if it failed.

Find 80% root in 10 - 14 days done this basic and simple way , the tweaks and powered systems just reduce the time and add consistancy.

Thought the lack of oxygen would be an issue in effectively stagnant water , but rotting is rare and almost every one makes it , but can take three weeks or more to do it and some yellow and weaken in that time scale.


Was the common way of rooting houseplants and geranium stock way back , old jam jars full uf cuttings behind north faceing windows.

 

[SoulSurfer]

Awesome. Will be watchin' and learning. Good luck!

 

[DevinsDad]

Would be suprised if it failed.

Find 80% root in 10 - 14 days done this basic and simple way , the tweaks and powered systems just reduce the time and add consistancy.

Thought the lack of oxygen would be an issue in effectively stagnant water , but rotting is rare and almost every one makes it , but can take three weeks or more to do it and some yellow and weaken in that time scale.


Was the common way of rooting houseplants and geranium stock way back , old jam jars full uf cuttings behind north faceing windows.

Awesome. Will be watchin' and learning. Good luck!

@ foomar : I did use bottled water just in case and I only did it with one, just to minimize casualties

@ SS : I was just sitting there about to buy gel or powder and was like hold up, WTF could be in those that it really needs? I mean realistically plants shouldn't need anything of the sort. So its a learning game as I go also

 

[exploziv]

One thing that would help would be to cover the glass on the outside so that no light touches the part that should show roots.

As far as rooting aids (gels or powders) go, they usually contain hormones that would encourage root formation and some also contain little plant food to keep the clones happy once they start to grow roots, enaugh to last till the roots get bigger and you tranplant them. you can use 1/8 to 1/6 dose of veg nutes in the cloner water to get same results. natural root hormones can also be sourced easy, you can use honey (1 tsp per liter or so) for the first 2-3 days in the water for hard to clone plants, or shreded young willow branches. (both are also antibacterial so that helps too.)

 

[foomar]

Took these with little care , seven days in 16 ish light hours behind a window in rainwater , level topped up as required , no losses so far.

Clear glass on the left , earthenware beaker on right , light not showing much effect on rooting at this stage , half of both groups already showing and about to burst out on most.

Would be ready by now in the heated bubbler , but this gets you there the same if time is not critical , and is pretty hard to fuck up.

 

[DevinsDad]

One thing that would help would be to cover the glass on the outside so that no light touches the part that should show roots.

As far as rooting aids (gels or powders) go, they usually contain hormones that would encourage root formation and some also contain little plant food to keep the clones happy once they start to grow roots, enaugh to last till the roots get bigger and you tranplant them. you can use 1/8 to 1/6 dose of veg nutes in the cloner water to get same results. natural root hormones can also be sourced easy, you can use honey (1 tsp per liter or so) for the first 2-3 days in the water for hard to clone plants, or shreded young willow branches. (both are also antibacterial so that helps too.)

Took these with little care , seven days in 16 ish light hours behind a window in rainwater , level topped up as required , no losses so far.

Clear glass on the left , earthenware beaker on right , light not showing much effect on rooting at this stage , half of both groups already showing and about to burst out on most.
Would be ready by now in the heated bubbler , but this gets you there the same if time is not critical , and is pretty hard to fuck up.

@ exploziv: Took your advice, sort of. I cut another clone and put it in a white coffee mug with water, So now I got 1 see thru and 1 not. I did try a spritz of nutes, but then I couldnt see the water quality.

@ foomar: How you goin highjack my thread? j/p I didnt try not of that but I still fucked up 1 or 3 so far. I took another cut and trimmed her too skinny, Looks as tho roots may still be forming, But its the most sickly cut I have ever seen. Keep Hope Alive!

 

[DevinsDad]

 

[DevinsDad]

so far only the one in the see thru cup is doing anything. change water in cup every other day. Leave water set out 24 hours. Nothing added

 

[foomar]

Was not trying to hijack , just thought you were interested in minimalist cloneing , threw some unwanted cuts in for the interest.

This is fast for the method at 12 days now , warm temps and optimal early flower cuts the reason.

Same clone in the bubbler produces thicker shorter roots and looks quite different.


Clear glass top row , dark mug lower , not much difference so i dont see light as an issue for canna rooting.

All were pricked approx 20 times with a dull scalpel , and nearly every root has emerged from one of these wounds , a little damage helps.

All were left lying around and wilted after cutting at 45 deg with scissors , can forget about embolisms in canna as well in my experience.

 

[DevinsDad]

Only the one in regular water survived. I had one in Nute Water. And one in Dirt. So im 1 for 3. And the one in regular water was in direct light for 16/8 with a clear cup.

 

[DevinsDad]

Was not trying to hijack , just thought you were interested in minimalist cloneing , threw some unwanted cuts in for the interest.

This is fast for the method at 12 days now , warm temps and optimal early flower cuts the reason.

Same clone in the bubbler produces thicker shorter roots and looks quite different.


Clear glass top row , dark mug lower , not much difference so i dont see light as an issue for canna rooting.

All were pricked approx 20 times with a dull scalpel , and nearly every root has emerged from one of these wounds , a little damage helps.

All were left lying around and wilted after cutting at 45 deg with scissors , can forget about embolisms in canna as well in my experience.

Good Lord

When you say prick, You mean a poke? I was told to do a slight slice.

 

[foomar]

She looks healthy and will soon green up , this method works slow but sure , the machines are not essential unless you need very uniform plants rooted at the same time or have a short timetable.

Have two small identical bubblers that sit on a heated mat , have tried many experiments as its so simple and fast to do.

A certain amount of damage speeds up rooting and produces more roots than cleancut , and multiple punctures pushing material into the stem is effective and repeatable , and does not create large wounds that may likely rot.

If you use a powder or gell rooting agent , apply it first and punch it in with a dull blade tip , bit of wire or a pinwheel if you have many to do.

Suggest you experiment , much of the info online or repeated from ageing grow bibles does not prove true in practice , and simplest is often best.