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first post - need experienced advice...

Wyckoff

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Hi,

I'm not a new grower but I'm new to these forums. I have grown in small spaces for the last 10 years for personal consumption. I've moved into a place with tons of space to grow and want to grow bigger without exceeding the 6 mature plant rule in my state.

My plan is to keep one mother in veg, have a cloning area (T5 probably), a veg area (400-600 watt) and a flowering area (thinking 4 by 8).

My main issue is I want to grow 5 plants under 2 1000w HPS lights with hoods. This gives me over 60 watts/sq. foot but since the lights will be air cooled the glass will eat up some intensity.

I am a scrog grower, am planning three weeks in veg (plants should be a foot tall at this point) and then 60 days flowering.

Questions - am I going to be able to fill a 4 by 8 screen with 5 plants? Assuming good growing technique (pH, temps, nutes, moisture all regulated) is it possible to light 5 plants with 2 lights efficiently? I'm not opposed to running 3 600w HPS lights. Getting these lights closer to the canopy and with a more even distribution over a 4x8 space - would this improve results? (I'm building a custom deep water culture system with 10 gallon buckets).

CO2 - I haven't messed with Co2 before and am wondering if a generator will create too much heat in a 8x12x12 space with only 2000w? How do the economics of CO2 work? At what point is a generator burning propane a better source than a tank? (The temperatures in my area go from just below freezing to 95 in the summer). CO2 obviously occurs naturally - isn't it more efficient to pull a ton of fresh air into a room (with plenty of exchanges) than to close the room and add CO2 but also contend with humidity and heat more? Can a lot of fresh air create the same results as supplementing CO2?

Sorry if some of these questions are vague. Money isn't an obstacle. I just don't want to be burning it with anything less than a good system.
 

RonSmooth

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If you have seperate veg and flower areas, a SCROG is going to be difficult to pull off. I cant imagine moving 32 sq ft worth of SCROG plants room to room. You could get similar results with training by topping, pinching and tying the plants down.

If you are only growing for personal use, 6 plants under 1000w would keep you high for a looooong time.
 

justanotherbozo

Active member
Veteran
...high man and welcome to the site, and good luck in your expanded operation.

here is the cab i started out in back in the day so you can see i know a thing or two about growing in small spaces, lol.

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...and my mother box.

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...and my current op which is just a 4 x 4 closet with a single 600HPS, barebulb vertical style.

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...i mention all this because i remember how it was for me when i was transitioning from a micro-grower into a more substantial operation and how i had to re-learn and un-learn some things.

...so in the spirit of sharing i have posted up some links to some very excellent threads that should help you answer your questions, ...with that kind of space and with those plant number limitations i think either a 'Heath Robinson' tree grow or some variation of 'Marlo's' 'W.o.W.' vertical SCROG tech would serve you best.

Benefits of Vertical Growing

Heaths latest tree grow

THE WoW THREAD.

...either way, if you take the time to read through these threads you will definitely come away with some new ideas percolating in your mind.

peace, bozo
 

supermanlives

Active member
Veteran
propane beats bottled gas price wise. I use propane in winter and bottled in summer.you really should try an dial in crop before adding co2 you really need a baseline measure.but it wont hurt .real good airflow wont match co2 but it will help.when I increased airflow in my test tent the yields did go up a bit. 4x4 tent 2 fans . 4oo+ cfm each . but I went back to co2 and sealed it
 

AloeRuss

Crown Jewel of the Legion
ICMag Donor
I am sorry Wick... Did you say you want to grow 5 plants under 2 1000w lights?
I usually have 20... But still. Even if you want to have a loooooot of space between your plants, having them under 2 such a strong lights is way over killing if you ask me.
 
stop!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :D thankyou. for co2 try googling these. exhale co2 bags. stops you spending a shit ton on a co2 rig and the running of it:)
 

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