First grow! Stealth cabinet! Comments?

[stealthnstoned]

Hey guys!! I have been reading the forums for a while but i never signed up cuz i didnt really have anything to post. But now i do! I am starting my first grow and just looking for any advice or comments would be nice. So onto the details of the grow. It all started out with my buddy gifting me two seeds. One atomic haze and one thai lights. So i first started them in a little rubbermaid box with some CFL's mounted to the lid. Then i got 10 clones of Diesel from my other buddy so i built a stealth cabinet for them !
Heres a few pics of it below. Its double chambered and has about 8 23 watt CFL's on top and 6 CFL's on bottom.


Heres a couple pics of the plants and how they have progressed.
First is a pic of the atomic haze at day 14 of veg.

Heres a pic of the same atomic haze in a new pot and at 23 days of veg.

Here is a pic of the thai lights at day 20 of veg

Here is a pic of the thai lights ina new pot and at day 30 of veg. I have been LST'ing them both. The thai lights seems to be really taking off.

Here are some pics of the diesel clones i got. They came rooted in peat pellets. So i transplanted into the 16oz beer cups. After one week i transplanted into my 1 gallon containers. The second pic is taken today and at currently day 12 of veg from when i got them.

So originally i was going to start flowering this past monday in this cabinet, and was going to use ONA to cover the smell, however after the last couple days, the thai lights is starting to give off a skunky smell even tho is not even flowering yet!!! i have the cabinet in the closet of my bedroom and my bedroom is closed off. However, i can still get a hint of the green smell as i enter my place. I thought that ONA would have been sufficient. However, becasue of thise i have ordered a Homebox XS and am going to be hooking up a carbon filter and such.

Now i do have a couple questions if anyone would care to help me out with if possible. all my plants are currently in the pots which i would like to flower them in, do you guys think they will be big enough pots ? I am worried they may get rootbound, however I cant pot up because i wont have room to fit them all in if i do. I wasn't planning on vegging this long however, at this point i cant flower til i get my tent, so that could be another week as im just waiting for the shipment now.

Another issue, it looks like all my plants aer showing slight bits of nitrogen overdose i think as the tips of the leaves are goign yellow / brown.. its very very little bits of the tips and its been happenign for a while. I can't really get a good shot of it right now as its night time for them.

A bit more info behind my grow.
The atomic haze and thai lights were given to me as seeds planted in jiffy pellets, i was in a rush to get soil for them and i ended up putting them both into pots with the slow release miracle gro fertilizer as soon as they were showing roots out of teh pellets. I know i know, miracle gro sucks but my plants actually seemed to love them ! they are growing nice! hahaha. I have now actually put them into my organic mix since they were last potted up ( id ont know if this mixture might mess it up ? haha )

So for my clones i have made an organic mixture following LC's recipe. I used 6 parts promix 2 parts perlite and 2 parts worm casting. 2tbsp lime per gallon. This was used for the clones for the first week. I watered with molasses and EWC as well.

After the first week my soil mix was kind of ready as i was using LC's # 1 nute mix as well. ( for ppl from the organic forum ) the one with the slow release ferts like blood meal bone meal and kelp meal. So currently all my plants are in this mix. I dont take PH or anything cuz im in organic with lime and im lazy. hahahaha I water with tap water thats been sitting out for 24 hours.

Anyways i know i ramble. Im stoned. hahahaha Anyways any input from you guys would be great! Thanks !

 

[catman]

Good call on the carbon filter. If your getting a homebox XS you might as well get a new lamp eh?

Those containers will be fine. 16oz party cups (though the amount of soil was less, sunshine mix#2 with half FF OF) in these pics with a AK47xPrincess Diesel and C99xPrincess Diesel.


If your going to continue to grow in that setup you can veg for at least another week or two. The CFLs won't penetrate very deep, but you want to maximize the plant matter crammed in there.

Are you checking your pH?

 

[stealthnstoned]

WOW those are some crazy plants from 16 oz cups!!! im jealous!! ok great so you think ill still be ok right ? hahaha well heres the funny thing i am getting a new lamp.. i came across a 90w UFO led hahahahaha so i thought i would throw it in there too... the other option i have is like a 600 W HPS with a cooltube.. which is way overkill for this. hahaha i have the 600W frmo a failed past project that never even realyl took off. and i also have a 6 " vortex inline fan. thats what im goign to be using to vent the tent. I have it attached to a solid state fan controller so i just crank it low and its still quiet but moves a lot of air.
So all in all i was thnking of throwing in the 90 W LED UFO and then a couple of 42 W CFL's maybe 4 of them. the ufo in the middle and then the 4 CFL 's in the corners.
Thanks for the input!! i hope i can grow even half as nice plants as yours!


And no im not checking my ph hahaha like i said in my earlier post im lazy. hahaha and im using organic so i thought i didnt really need to check it? I havent had a problem raelly. they seem to be growing nice. i know my cabinet is kinda hot tho.... esp when i go to work i have to close up my closet so it can spike up to 88 in there some times. As soon as i get my tent tho it should get better. They dont seem to mind teh warm temps to much either. Growing nicely it seems.

 

[stealthnstoned]

I actually wanted to get a 150W hps light for the home box. but i coudlnt find any locally!!! the smallest they all sell is 400W and now im pretty broke so. hahaha no more new toys for now.

 

[catman]

A 600w is too big unless you got ambient temps steady in the 60's.

If I was you'd I'd just buy a 250w HPS setup. Keep those CFLs in the cab and throw the LED unit in there too. Flowering with the CFLs and the UFO isn't a lazy man's game. The 250w will yield more with less effort.

If you can keep the temps down and can pay for a more expensive bulb, the 400 CMH or HPS would work as well.

Another option is higher wattage LED units, but those are spendy for the moment.

88F is too hot, I'd try to get that down even for vegging plants.

Thanks for the compliments, but I still have a lot of improving to do. I'm also lazy so I'm pretty happy with the results I get for the effort I put in. If you want result like this you can't do it without pHing your water. Repeat after me, I will pH my water EVERY time. Your wasting your time growing if you aren't checking your pH. A testing kit is only $10.

 

[hoosierdaddy]

Just my 2 pfennigs on pH...
I sort of look at the pH of the feed to be like amending for a deficiency. In that I mean that if the plant isn't showing a problem, why is it so imperative that the pH level be checked on?
I did check my tap water about 3 years ago, and checked slurries made with the water and soils I use. I haven't checked since and I have had no signs of pH lockout at all on any strain I have ran in the last 3 years.
I grow using both organic and chemical salts for feed, and I have fairly good success. Or at least I have some fairly good looking shots in my albums. (shrug)
Full on organic growers probably have to worry about it even less.

Nothing wrong with keeping up with your pH...but I find that it sure isn't a necessary item, unless of course you see a pH problem with the plant and then action may be needed...same with any sort of deficiency or overfeed problem.
I don't see signs of pH imbalance in what stealth is showing us.

 

[stealthnstoned]

but even if i did ph my water... i woudlnt change anything ? im not watering with nutes or anything. just water.
im not gonna change my mix or anything nwo too. so i dont tihnk it woudl make a diff. hahaha
the prob is that i alrady got the 90w LED and i dont raelly have teh money to be spending on another HID set up right now.. i mean i do have teh 6 " vortex inline fan. it can keep a 400 w cool for sure. but i dont wanan fork out the money for that set up right now.


And i know the 88 F is too high. but there isnt really anything ic an do. i have to keep the cabinet in my closet right now for stealth purposes. and i work a day job so im pretty busy. I dont raelly know how else to lower the temp. i know i have enough ventilation. its more just about it getting boxed into the closet during the day when im gone.

 

[stealthnstoned]

Thanks for checking out my thread hoosier!
I mean i do have litmus paper in the case that i need to check my pH but from what i have been reading in the organics forum pH isnt really as big a problem for me. I havent really been seeing any problems in my plants either currently so thats another reason i havent really been that pushed to check it. I understand if i was doing hydro or using chemical ferts then thats a whole other situation.

The one issue i am having is im getting VERY slight tip burns on the plants older leaves. It looks like too much nitrogen. I think it could be because i thought the clones were short nitrogen at first when i got them because they were very light green so i watered them with alot of EWC tea. hahaha. I have only been wateringn with plain water tho ever since i put them into the bigger pots about a week ago.

The thai lights has been showing it since it was in the miracle gro from teh beggining but its just kinda always stayed the same. never gotten worse. Just a slight yellowing/browning at the tips.. like maybe.. 1millimeter of the tip.

I'll try to remember to get pics up tomorrow of it if i can. but i have a shitty camera. Just using my cell phone so i dont nkow if it will shw up that well but ill try. Thanks again guys!

 

[stealthnstoned]

edit*

I found some pics i took that i was able to photoshop the tips. i dont know if it will show up here to well but here goes.

Here's a pic of one of the clones.



Heres a pic of the plant overall
Here a pic of the thai lights .. only a few of the leaves are showing the burnt tips. not many overall. The atomic haze is not showing any burnt tips whatsoever. Seems to like miracle gro. altho it is a slow grower. It seems to have really fat leaves too like a indica. My friend told me they were both sativas tho.

 

[hoosierdaddy]

Since this is your first grow, it probably doesn't matter much because you will be a proud papa no matter what. But, I have some experience with using MG potting mix. It contains a high load of N that will still be there at harvest. It can cause a discerning smoker to detect the nasty of chemicals...some maybe not. In any event, if you can heavily flush the plants about a week before you plan on harvesting them with lots of water...say like 3-4 times the amount of water your empty pot could hold, it will sure help to wash out lots of the ferts.
I like MG because it is actually a very good mix, balanced and drains well...it just has slow release pellets in it that keep the salts around for longer than if you were just feeding them. I am talking only of the potting mix...the MG organic IMO needs amending with something to help it drain better.

 

[nancy]

^^ Miracle Grow Organic works great though, when cut with 1/3 good 'ole perlite you can pick both up at the homedepot.

Your doing a Great Job dude, love the cab, had one myself once (haha, the same one)... They work Great!

Those babies are Starving, #1,,, Since your lazy, (ie probably don't wanna mix up organic soil, keep nute records, etc) as you said, how bout using Quarter strength Peter's Solution (think its called), you can buy it at home dePOT, cheap, and my Dad (Lonestar of the TRC) swears by it, and he isn't a slouch... If you have a little coin to spend, I'd recommend getting Liquid Kharma (Botanicare, by American agritech, found at your local hydro shop) 5ml/gal ever water/feed.

Always PH with every feed!! Water, Water, than feed btw. PH of nute solution/ water when going soil, should be like 6.2 to 6.5

I agree with above, 600 is too high wattage, I wasn't sure if I read it but do you have anything lower wattage? 400 or 250? Tek 5's and I bet the UFO (led you know) as well as the cfl's are Great for vegg... I wouldn't add anything though to a 600, for flower as your battling temps already..

Anywhoo, Peace and good vibes

 

[benzo]

Nice setup for the first grow. and i agree with what he said ^ Mg leaves behind a somewhat funny taste if not flushed proper

 

[stealthnstoned]

haha ok thanks guys!! im not actually using the MG anymore. It was only used for the small pots that teh atomic haze and thai lights were in. They are currentyl all in organic mix. But the atomic haze and thai lights still has some miracle mixed in

 

[stealthnstoned]

So i just got some superthrive cuz i heard it was good. haha anyone have an idea how much and when i should use it ?

 

[hoosierdaddy]

No more than ONE DROP PER GALLON OF WATER
I suck some into an empty eye dropper bottle and use that.
Very, very concentrated hormones and b12.
I never use it on flowering plants.

 

[stealthnstoned]

oh shit.. i didnt have a eye dropper... i put like.. maybe 4-5 drops into 8 litres of water.
hahaha dang.. i hope they will be ok

 

[hoosierdaddy]

I would suggest you flush them out and start over. I know there have been reports here of folks killing their plants with superthrive od.

 

[stealthnstoned]

hahaha oh shit really ? dang i cant flsuh em now either. they are sleeping haha... well i guess i can flush em tomorrow. hahaha oh well. but i read in some other threads that ppl water with up to 1/4 teaspoon per watering and they water with that every time!

 

[hoosierdaddy]

Did you read that on the bottle?

 

[stealthnstoned]

the bottle i got is ghetto from my grow shop... theres no directions.. just like a buncha informercial ads like... # 1. this.. # 1 Ithat... but no actual directions. thats why i asked on here. oh well. live and learn. if they die i guess illl start over... but they seemed ok i guess we will see...

I didnt read it on this forum but on some other ones.... oh well. ill flsuh em tmrw