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first grow.....really sick plant...
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Worm Eat Worm
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yeah man i dont know anything about your setup but so any advice i give is just a guess.
extreme temperatures? do you PH test?
for me when a plants leaves look droopy or soggy like that it tells me that its been over watered. your main stem looks pretty healthy but those big fan leaves look soggy dont they? did this happen like all the sudden over night and you walk in to find your plant like this? i've had that happen and just stopped watering for a couple days really let things dry up and add straight water after that. does your planter have drainage holes? <Edit> Soil looks dry so maybe its the opposite?
but then i look at the sickly little leaves that look like they have a case of malnutrition. so i'd have to ask if you are using chemical fertilizers and maybe your soil has been saturated with salts? if so flush it.
your main stem looks strong but for some reason it crashed did you recently transplant? Maybe transplanted into a dry container under hot lights sapped everything from the plant? just a guess nothing to go on.
Some problems piggy back and one problem causes an avalanche nute lockup and whatnot alot of times the best thing to do is flush and try to start over
not the best grower in the world by far! but maybe just give you a couple things to think about.
extreme temperatures? do you PH test?
for me when a plants leaves look droopy or soggy like that it tells me that its been over watered. your main stem looks pretty healthy but those big fan leaves look soggy dont they? did this happen like all the sudden over night and you walk in to find your plant like this? i've had that happen and just stopped watering for a couple days really let things dry up and add straight water after that. does your planter have drainage holes? <Edit> Soil looks dry so maybe its the opposite?
but then i look at the sickly little leaves that look like they have a case of malnutrition. so i'd have to ask if you are using chemical fertilizers and maybe your soil has been saturated with salts? if so flush it.
your main stem looks strong but for some reason it crashed did you recently transplant? Maybe transplanted into a dry container under hot lights sapped everything from the plant? just a guess nothing to go on.
Some problems piggy back and one problem causes an avalanche nute lockup and whatnot alot of times the best thing to do is flush and try to start over
not the best grower in the world by far! but maybe just give you a couple things to think about.
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the soil looks bone-dry . is it ?
soil is definately not bone dry.....the top layer just dries really fast maybe because of my fans....its been a really strong heat wave...temps are at a high of 95 during the day....with lights off...stays at about 91ish at night with light on...i WAS checking my PH of my ferts....but then i dropped my meter and it took a shit.....im guessing that my first feeding of flowering ferts may of had a high PH....and the one plant didn't take it too well......i did transplant when i moved into flowering....but the soil was very wet when i did it...im gonna flush the first really bad looking plant today...see if it stops the damage..
PS. I JUST woke up and am headin off to work....hope this post makes sense...
PS. I JUST woke up and am headin off to work....hope this post makes sense...
Blackvelvet
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What are you feeding the plants? Be very specific about ingredients.
How much and how often are you feeding the plants?
What's in your soil mix? Did you add dolomite lime?
When did you last repot?
You need to check ph. At least get some ph test strips from a petstore in the aquarium section or a brew your own beer/wine store. You should be adjusting the ph of your fert water before applying. You also test soil ph sometimes...
How to test soil ph: After watering and ferting well till runoff, wait 30 minutes. Apply some distilled water to the pot till 1 or 2 ounces of runoff occurs. Catch on a saucer. Test this ph. If you can tilt the pot after watering/ferting and waiting 30 minutes and get some liquid out, you can test that instead.
How much and how often are you feeding the plants?
What's in your soil mix? Did you add dolomite lime?
When did you last repot?
You need to check ph. At least get some ph test strips from a petstore in the aquarium section or a brew your own beer/wine store. You should be adjusting the ph of your fert water before applying. You also test soil ph sometimes...
How to test soil ph: After watering and ferting well till runoff, wait 30 minutes. Apply some distilled water to the pot till 1 or 2 ounces of runoff occurs. Catch on a saucer. Test this ph. If you can tilt the pot after watering/ferting and waiting 30 minutes and get some liquid out, you can test that instead.
Worm Eat Worm
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i dont think its a ph problem because all the plants would look dead i think its a root/drainage problem/watering/heat humidity /transplant shock thing... i'd suggest backing it away from the lights for a couple days and not feeding it anything water minimum. except maybe some thrive alive, something with micro nutrients, or any of the supplements that help with heat stress.
good luck bro
good luck bro
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How hot was it before the heat wave? I think your temp in the room is way to high with high humidity. You need to bring it go to like 70-80 deg if possible and another fan.. maybe. I hope this helps
OK....for soil....some will hate this....i used expert gardener brand from walmart..(yes a pre/continuous fert) .i added a bit of blood meal and bone meal......and allot of perlite...i made a huge batch from the start enough for all my pots for the whole grow....i have recently potted up when i went into flowering......i bought some lime...but i wasn't sure it was the right stuff...it was also found in walmarts gardening center and is only labeled Pulverized Lime......so it never got used.....
for ferts....i use general hydroponics....i was using the 1 tbs of flora gro (2/1/6) and then 1tbs of hard water flora micro (5/0/1) per gallon of water....(not sure if i have hard water tho)....last time i fed them this was approximately 1 1/2 weeks prior to flowering....then 1 week into flowering i fed them a flowering set of ferts...flora bloom inplace of flora gro (0/5/4) and same micro....i added some PH down but it was just a guess....and the next day is when i noticed the 2 sick plants...
I have reacquired a PH meter and i checked the flowering ferts i used and it read 6.5 so long the meter is accurate......the droopy plant looks about the same today...and the burned up looking plant looks worse...the leaves are more shrivled and even look like they shrunk....
im gonna go out and try to buy another fan to put in the cabinet and a bigger fan for the room the cabinet is in.....do you guys think i should still flush it or both of em?....and im gonna feed it some plain water. Dont really want to test the soil's PH yet...as i dont want to over fert...but maybe in a week I shall..
thanks for all this help...
for ferts....i use general hydroponics....i was using the 1 tbs of flora gro (2/1/6) and then 1tbs of hard water flora micro (5/0/1) per gallon of water....(not sure if i have hard water tho)....last time i fed them this was approximately 1 1/2 weeks prior to flowering....then 1 week into flowering i fed them a flowering set of ferts...flora bloom inplace of flora gro (0/5/4) and same micro....i added some PH down but it was just a guess....and the next day is when i noticed the 2 sick plants...
I have reacquired a PH meter and i checked the flowering ferts i used and it read 6.5 so long the meter is accurate......the droopy plant looks about the same today...and the burned up looking plant looks worse...the leaves are more shrivled and even look like they shrunk....
im gonna go out and try to buy another fan to put in the cabinet and a bigger fan for the room the cabinet is in.....do you guys think i should still flush it or both of em?....and im gonna feed it some plain water. Dont really want to test the soil's PH yet...as i dont want to over fert...but maybe in a week I shall..
thanks for all this help...
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My speculation, the experts will know better.
You didnt mention strain. If it is bagseed, that particular pheno may be more sensitive to the heat you're experiencing. Mid 90's will put a good bit of stress on them. The fans may not be helping either. If that particular plants ability to transpire can't keep up with added moisture loss from the "wind" of your fans, it'll wilt.
I'd be leary of feeding very much. If your plants are stressing from heat, they will not be taking up nutes very well. So you may wind up with soil that is "over nuted". I'd just water for a week and see how they do. They won't starve in a week if your soil is good. After it cools down you may burn them? Experts comment please!
Roses like this one of mine are harder to grow than weed...at least I think so
You didnt mention strain. If it is bagseed, that particular pheno may be more sensitive to the heat you're experiencing. Mid 90's will put a good bit of stress on them. The fans may not be helping either. If that particular plants ability to transpire can't keep up with added moisture loss from the "wind" of your fans, it'll wilt.
I'd be leary of feeding very much. If your plants are stressing from heat, they will not be taking up nutes very well. So you may wind up with soil that is "over nuted". I'd just water for a week and see how they do. They won't starve in a week if your soil is good. After it cools down you may burn them? Experts comment please!
Roses like this one of mine are harder to grow than weed...at least I think so
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i have 3 diffrent strains there......and due to some stupid ass mistakes... 
i dont know which are which.....top 44....snowberry...(both from weedfarmer.com) and Wonder Diesel from Rez..........im gonna try to get the heat issues under control asap.......but if wind can be problematic...i dont know how to control the heat other then adding some big fans to the outside of the cabinet to try to bring the temps down before reaching the cabinet...dunno how much that will help tho...
PS Oblidio49 that rose if f'kin BEAUTIFUL .......
i dont know which are which.....top 44....snowberry...(both from weedfarmer.com) and Wonder Diesel from Rez..........im gonna try to get the heat issues under control asap.......but if wind can be problematic...i dont know how to control the heat other then adding some big fans to the outside of the cabinet to try to bring the temps down before reaching the cabinet...dunno how much that will help tho...PS Oblidio49 that rose if f'kin BEAUTIFUL .......
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About the fans... I know you need them, but try not to let them blow directly on the plants. Air blowing directly on them when it is hot is not a good idea IMO.
It's so hot here I can't do a grow in my apt. It was 86F in here the other night at 10PM. No way I could keep a grow cool. I'm waiting till next month to start and hope it is cooler then.
It could be nute related. I found out on my grow of AI and Ice that the same nute mix didn't suit them. AI was much more tolerant than Ice was. It may be that is where the issue is. That plant that is burned up can't handle your current nute regimen. I wouldn't mess with the ones doing ok other than water them and see how they do.
Thanks about the rose. I have two bushes in 20 gallon containers.
Obli
It's so hot here I can't do a grow in my apt. It was 86F in here the other night at 10PM. No way I could keep a grow cool. I'm waiting till next month to start and hope it is cooler then.
It could be nute related. I found out on my grow of AI and Ice that the same nute mix didn't suit them. AI was much more tolerant than Ice was. It may be that is where the issue is. That plant that is burned up can't handle your current nute regimen. I wouldn't mess with the ones doing ok other than water them and see how they do.
Thanks about the rose. I have two bushes in 20 gallon containers.
Obli
LOVELYJUGS
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Good Luck
Good Luck
God help ya !!!
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Good Luck
God help ya !!!
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Blackvelvet
Member
You don't use slow release ferts indoors.bumba said:
How much blood and bone meal did you add per gallon of mix? Blood meal can be toxic to plants because its ammonia/urea nitrogen and not nitrate nitrogen. This is especially true when used in a potting soil rather than outdoors.
Your plants are low in calcium. This may be the soggy look. Hardwater micro has alot less calcium. Bloom or grow is adding potassium and magnesium. These 3 compete with each other to get in the plant. Too much of one will cause a deficiency of another.
Your lime bag should state elemental calcium and magnesium. It should be about 2:1 calcium to magnesium. Example: 20% calcium 10% magnesium
I suggest taking the plants out of the pot. Wash the rootballs with a hose to get as much off as possible. Then repot into a neutral soil mix like promix and some perlite. Promix is limed so don't add more. If you find another soilless mix without lime, add only a low rate because the flora series contains quite a bit of calcium and magnesium (suitable for hydro). Don't add blood or bonemeal. You should use regular micro not hardwater unless your tap water is high in calcium. Distilled or reverse osmosis water takes the guesswork out of what is in your tap since its 0 ppms. Then you would use grow, regular micro, and bloom in a ratio of 1,2,3 such as 5ml grow + 10 ml micro + 15 ml bloom.
LOVELYJUGS
Member
Thats good to hear Bumba
Good luck with it !!
Keep the faith ....
RobbyyT
Good luck with it !!
Keep the faith ....
RobbyyT
well....i did the continuous feeding soil because of BOG...this is a excerpt from his soil for beginners thread
Feeding and Mix... I use Wal-Mart Continuous Feeding formula potting soil with 5-10% perlite added for aeration and drainage. I add 2 cups of bone and blood meal to every 10 gallons of soil. I feed Pure Blend grow in veg and I transplant 3 times. Starting in 1 qt pots then 2 gallon pots then 4 gallon pots.
wal mart has since switched to expert gardener as their product......
i gave the droopy gave the droopy one and the burnt up one a good flushing and that seemed to fix the problem....as they both look better now....I am going to take your advice on the hardwater micro.....but it'll have to wait till next payday ....still not quite sure what happened....just know a good ol' small flushing seemed to turn things around for now....once i sex em...ill start a grow diary....and ill post pics of the two formerly sick plants tomorrow hope they are still sittin pretty in the mourning....*crosses fingers*
PS.....my first time growing....took some clones from each plant before flowering....its been 10 days....and i checked a couple....and i have some small roots!!!!....im all excited because i hear it can be really tricky for even experienced growers.....
Feeding and Mix... I use Wal-Mart Continuous Feeding formula potting soil with 5-10% perlite added for aeration and drainage. I add 2 cups of bone and blood meal to every 10 gallons of soil. I feed Pure Blend grow in veg and I transplant 3 times. Starting in 1 qt pots then 2 gallon pots then 4 gallon pots.
wal mart has since switched to expert gardener as their product......
i gave the droopy gave the droopy one and the burnt up one a good flushing and that seemed to fix the problem....as they both look better now....I am going to take your advice on the hardwater micro.....but it'll have to wait till next payday ....still not quite sure what happened....just know a good ol' small flushing seemed to turn things around for now....once i sex em...ill start a grow diary....and ill post pics of the two formerly sick plants tomorrow hope they are still sittin pretty in the mourning....*crosses fingers*
PS.....my first time growing....took some clones from each plant before flowering....its been 10 days....and i checked a couple....and i have some small roots!!!!....im all excited because i hear it can be really tricky for even experienced growers.....
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GR8shoeBaDizzle
glad 2 hear u fixed'em.
LOVELYJUGS
Member
Hows the grow ?
Hows the grow ?
How's your grow going ??
Hope everything got better ..
Lovelyjugs
Hows the grow ?
How's your grow going ??
Hope everything got better ..
Lovelyjugs
42ndupchuck
Member
looks like heat stress and maybe nute lock out... I would definatly flush those fools and then repot in an decent, organic soil, or even well composed compost, NOTHING HOT!
they should bounce back with a change in environment... they are weeds after all..
good luck, dont dilly dally and they will do just fine
they should bounce back with a change in environment... they are weeds after all..
good luck, dont dilly dally and they will do just fine
