FEw questions about seeds

[Tunefull]

Hello all
I normally write long posts(mainly waffle)
So this time i am going to just ask my questions(without so much waffle)



I had a AK 48 Briefly turn hermi(only Had sacks on a few branchs(and only one set of sacks on the said branchs))
So it looks(if is poossible)
It was only hermi for a couple of weeks of growth(Hence only one set of sacks on a branch))

but it released enough pollen to Seed my other plants in the room(Afgani and another AK 48)

Really what i want to know about now is how good the seeds will be that i get off the other plants?

Will they have a tendancy to turn hermie like the orginal?
Will the seeds be anygood?
Will the seeds be classed as F3?(As the original was a F2 to start with))

They would be a Simple AK 48(one AK to another)
And one would be a AK/afghani mix


Basicly i want to know what the seeds could be like?



Anyway Thanks in advance for any help
Will probs have more questions depending on the answers*grins*

 

[mace_ecam]

Really what i want to know about now is how good the seeds will be that i get off the other plants?

Will they have a tendancy to turn hermie like the orginal?
Will the seeds be anygood?

many possible options, the only way find out is too grow em out
i had seedplants turning hermie on me cause i switched them to early.

Will the seeds be classed as F3?(As the original was a F2 to start with))

Technically yes, but keep in mind that no selection was done by you, also F3's tend to be not very uniform

 

[OGDread]

They -could- be very hermie prone seeds dude. Then again, it doesnt need to be so. I would not label any hermie grown seeds F3's... I would call em accidents.
Grow em out, if all fems turn hermie, youll know.

 

[Tunefull]

Hi guys

Yes i think i will have to grow them out and see how they fair
I dont have much room tho,So it will have to wait till next year when i can have some outdoors...tho that said,I could try a few and maybe get 2 weeks of veg and they can go outside to flower(It is about flowering time in a few weeks)
Would not be a grow for yeild(witha short veg time)But just to see if they hermie)
K will look into that

About potency,will the plants suffer due to the pollen being a hermi?
The chance of them going hermie or being low potency is a concern
If both suffer then it is no point trying them i dont think.....

 

[Guest]

hey Tunefull, there are many reasons a plant would kick out a few male flowers. any type of stress, moisture stress, nute stress, tiny light leak, rootbound, heat stress, toppin to early in veg.

so if your plant hermied do to any type of condition in your OP, the resultin siblings grown out under the right conditions may never show male flowers. where if the plant is predisposed to show male flowers due to its genetic make up, you may see um worse in the sibs.

i dont think the hermaprodite condition effects potentcy, but does effect yield as the plants growin male flowers and seed instead of bud. also have read a few times were seeded plants are actually more potent then sensi bud? i dont know if thats written in stone but have heard it a few times. myself i havent noticed a diff.

if a plant self pollinates itself that would be a S1, first selfin. if it pollinated another plant of the same line, im not sure what you would actually call it, other then the resultin seed would have a high ratio of female plants. guess it would be feminized AK48 and the second gen(F2) in your case F3 feminized.

the femmed pollen across another line would be a F1, first filial cross, just not in the true sense of the word.

as a few have said, you need to do a little test grow and see what the pollination produced.

CBF

 

[OGDread]

i dont think the hermaprodite condition effects potentcy, but does effect yield as the plants growin male flowers and seed instead of bud. also have read a few times were seeded plants are actually more potent then sensi bud? i dont know if thats written in stone but have heard it a few times. myself i havent noticed a diff.

Ive had potent hermies, Ive had dud hermies. Ive had increased potency from a seeded nev. haze opposed a non seeded same clone. In other strains I havent noticed difference.

 

[Tunefull]

hi again guys(sory late reply)

WEll i can imagine it is highly possible they were stressed by somit i done(But whatever i done it only effected the one plant(And then for only like a week or two's worth of growth)

So by the fact it was only showing male signs for a week or two,you would not class this then as going hermi?

Mmm Pike
I dont quite follow the last bit of your post...
"if a plant self pollinates itself that would be a S1, first selfin. if it pollinated another plant of the same line, im not sure what you would actually call it, other then the resultin seed would have a high ratio of female plants. guess it would be feminized AK48 and the second gen(F2) in your case F3 feminized.

the femmed pollen across another line would be a F1, first filial cross, just not in the true sense of the word.

as a few have said, you need to do a little test grow and see what the pollination produced.

"

Not sure what S1 means(is a S1 just any plant that pollonates itself?)

Also are u saying i have created some F1s with the S1 AK 48?

And the pollen that spread to the other plants,Have become F3,but could be feminised?



Lol sorry just not quite sure what your saying...Or what it then means for future grows....

I am deff going to grow them out for a few grows to see what they do(just to expereiment)I allready got the seeds to split and show there taqp root,so they could be planted...Again seeing if they would work so soon after being collected was a Experiment....I took them off the plant(as i was trimming)And germed them the same night(Again just to see what would happen)
If the tap root is showing on them,Then there ready to plant in soil...but would u use seeds so soon after there dropped?

 

[Guest]

Not sure what S1 means(is a S1 just any plant that pollonates itself?)

S1 is the first selfed generation, like a F1 cross, the first matein. most times if a breeder wants to self a plant, he would use stress or a chemical on another cut, produce pollen, and pollinate a non stressed/chemically treated plant.

so your AK producin male flowers and pollinatin itself is a selfed generation, which should result in femmed seed.

Also are u saying i have created some F1s with the S1 AK 48?

im sayin, the female pollen from the AK across another, non related line would be the first generation or F1, just not in the true since of the word, where what peeps would call a true F1, is two unrelated ibl lines crossed.

And the pollen that spread to the other plants,Have become F3,but could be feminised?

no, the female pollen that hit plants of another line are first gen, see above, and should result in female seed. the AK were F2s, so any of the other AK in the grow that were pollinated by the herm/female pollen would be considered F3 fem seed.

pollens pollen, generation is a generation. now the above designations may not fit what others think, but if you told me you had F3 fem seed, i would know that the F3 gen was produced by fem pollen.

can get real confusin at times. many breeders come up with there own designations at will, lol.

CBF

 

[Tunefull]

Lol thanks a lot for trying to explain it better(and i do)
Just not fully getting my head around it,i will have to do some reading,Then later tonight i maybe able to ask more direct questions(and be in abetter place to understand them))*smiles*

I see that by my ak 48(f2)pollenating the other AKs,They now could be classed as F3(but as u say female(so that is ok(apart from F3 bit)

And My AK crossing with the afghani even tho both were F2s,coz they are not linked the seeds now become F1...

So then in that thinking,Anyone can create F1s,just the guys who sell there F1s for like £50 Have nailed there Strain down to perfection?
By growing out the seeds(a few times over)Picking the best and useing them to keep a even uniformitity(Real word?)thru there grows?(tho of course guess there must be more to it)

So my New strain of AK/afghani
Even tho it is a F1(maybe not in true sense(will look into that)
They would not be fit to sell as F1s(not that i would)because even tho there now F1s i have not grown/selected/grown/selected so on the best?


And going back to the F3(which would be femenised(would they all be female seeds or just a hi %?)
Assuming they were feminised
Again i could not just sell these on(possible never)because of the unniformed growth patterns due to them being F3?



Lol sorry m8 i must be spinning you out with all this,I know i am spinning myself out*grins*

 

[Guest]

I see that by my ak 48(f2)pollenating the other AKs,They now could be classed as F3(but as u say female(so that is ok(apart from F3 bit)

F3s are usually were your work starts to come together, F2s usually have the most variety, hence the best generation to do serious selection in. the further you go in generations, the tighter your line should become.

And My AK crossing with the afghani even tho both were F2s,coz they are not linked the seeds now become F1...

So then in that thinking,Anyone can create F1s,just the guys who sell there F1s for like £50 Have nailed there Strain down to perfection?
By growing out the seeds(a few times over)Picking the best and useing them to keep a even uniformitity(Real word?)thru there grows?(tho of course guess there must be more to it)

yes there is way more to it. createin a F1 from scratch is most times beyond the hobby grower. first you have to start with 2 unrelated lines, breed each to what is considered IBL, a long process to say the least. grow some numbers, 100s of plants each step of the way. then cross the two for your F1s. this is what most big houses do, they dont release there IBLs, they just continue to make F1s with desirable parents, and get the same populations time and again usin the same parents. most anyone can take someone elses work and knock a few plants together and get a true F1. but is that real breedin, or just seedmakin? imo your just makin seed with work done by another

So my New strain of AK/afghani
Even tho it is a F1(maybe not in true sense(will look into that)
They would not be fit to sell as F1s(not that i would)because even tho there now F1s i have not grown/selected/grown/selected so on the best?

i would call your AK/Affi a femminized F1 Ooops dosent AK have afghani in it? could it be the affy you have? yes its true you created somethin, if you gave your description of the seed IF you were to try and sell it, i doubt there would be alot of interest, accidental pollinations, with nothin in mind arent gonna get to many growers wound up.

not that it wont smoke well, it may very well be decent. its like your Dogs in heat, and a neigborhood dog jumps the fence and has his way. one of them pups might be a doozy.

And going back to the F3(which would be femenised(would they all be female seeds or just a hi %?)
Assuming they were feminised
Again i could not just sell these on(possible never)because of the unniformed growth patterns due to them being F3?

see F3 above...

ive grown a few fem seed, and read many other reports on selfed grows. dependin on who did um and such, there can be males in a fem population. reversed pollen from a female plant should result in female seed.

dont put to much stock in a populations appearence, a line can be stable/IBL for a number of traits, without plants appearin the same. all depends on the breeders ideal.

if you think some on it, your single AK pollination on the Affie, may be decent lookin usin the single hermie plant on a single Affie, as both lines should be fairly stable for desired traits. most F1 crosses do like nice, its the F2s that really show what the parents were made of.

theres really no tellin how your accidental cross will turn out, other then growin um out. may be a few great plants in there. lots of so called elites were FUs, lol. (although imo, elites are just a bunch of hybrid crosses till a good one shows up, and then thrown out to the community with some nice bogus history) thats just a conspirisy theroy of my own.

while im ramblin........ive even seen guys renamin a cut, due to there grow style,LOL,LOL......now theres a lazy mofo

CBF

 

[Tunefull]

Hi again m8
Thanks for another good post*smileS*

Firstly dont worry i would have no intention of selling the seeds,Tho i would pass some around for others to try(once i know there ok)

My whole knowledge of Growing is all recent,I have only been growing about a year(about 4 harvests)So i dont have much expereince in how diff plants grow(So not sure i would spot a dodgy looking plant anyway)
So not sure what i would be looking for

Same goes for taste,the only real weed i have smoked is what i have harvested myself...So got nothing much to compare taste/Hi's to....

I guess i just got to try and see*smileS*

Least will be fun finding out*grins*

Thanks for your help m8,I iwll deff let you know how i fair(i may start a grow dairy for them)

Take care