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bringyalungs
is there any difference really behind the females in a reg vs the females feminized line? are they the same potency wise, or is one different that the next in any other aspects
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bringyalungs
I was considering the Congo, Oriental Express, Malawi and Zamaldelica... it was also a general question as well... I know zamaldelica standard had different parents from the zamaldelica fem, but if the parents were the same would any traits or anything be lost by reversing the fem? as opposed to using a male? if you understand what I'm asking...
Feminized seeds are a product (generally) of colloidal silver being applied to a female plant to change the production of ethylene (sex hormones) within the plant. Female plants sprayed with CS still have the typical female spear shaped flowers, but instead of hair, they have male flowers:
The feminized pollen is collected and used on a female from within the same line, (usually both are the same elite clone) and you end up with a line of seeds that have an exceptionally limited genepool. This can be a very good thing - all of the beans are basically carbon copies of the clones used and produce nice, potent, uniform crops.
Now thats not to say you have to use the same clone - in the case of the feminized Zamaldelicas, Dubi feminized the Malawi plant and used that pollen to dust his best female Zamal.
This line is different than the Zamaldelica standard line as it is Zamal x Golden Tiger. Golden tiger is Malawi x Meao Thai, the thai addition adds a bit more clarity / electricity to the mix. In theory, Dubi could create a feminized Zamaldelica line that was the same as the standard line by taking a feminized Golden Tiger and pollinating his best Zamal with it.
I should note, there are other ways to produce feminized beans, but they generally involve the use of stresses (light changes, nutrient changes, etc) to force the plant to throw male flowers. These methods generally produce intersex or hermaphrodite plants (sometimes they don't and you luck out) which are inferior in your average sinsemilla garden.
The feminized pollen is collected and used on a female from within the same line, (usually both are the same elite clone) and you end up with a line of seeds that have an exceptionally limited genepool. This can be a very good thing - all of the beans are basically carbon copies of the clones used and produce nice, potent, uniform crops.
Now thats not to say you have to use the same clone - in the case of the feminized Zamaldelicas, Dubi feminized the Malawi plant and used that pollen to dust his best female Zamal.
This line is different than the Zamaldelica standard line as it is Zamal x Golden Tiger. Golden tiger is Malawi x Meao Thai, the thai addition adds a bit more clarity / electricity to the mix. In theory, Dubi could create a feminized Zamaldelica line that was the same as the standard line by taking a feminized Golden Tiger and pollinating his best Zamal with it.
I should note, there are other ways to produce feminized beans, but they generally involve the use of stresses (light changes, nutrient changes, etc) to force the plant to throw male flowers. These methods generally produce intersex or hermaphrodite plants (sometimes they don't and you luck out) which are inferior in your average sinsemilla garden.
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bringyalungs
tricky and touchy subject....I guess I should ask this, if I got the females mentioned above would they be a good example of the standard version, smoke and effect wise or would the standard females be more potent, longer buzz, etc or is that hard to determine...
OldRod
Member
Genetically there is not two 100% same plant.
Any seed no matter how much is stabilized that line is just a copy of a mother (we want mother copy right ?).
Hence that there is not EXACTLY same potency (you know, potency isn't only THC and CBD), or color or leaf shape or vigour or you name it .... but "original copy" .
Now depends of stabilization maybe you can find from seed a grandma but not mother, maybe grandma is kick ass and mother just a copy of a grandma ?
In one word, find plant what is by your taste & criteria and simple enjoy in her, since (im guessing) you wont be a breeder.
One thing nobody can deny and its about vigor and yield.
Female plants from regular seeds has much much more vigour and more yield.
Even clones has lower vigour than fems from regular seeds.
Any seed no matter how much is stabilized that line is just a copy of a mother (we want mother copy right ?).
Hence that there is not EXACTLY same potency (you know, potency isn't only THC and CBD), or color or leaf shape or vigour or you name it .... but "original copy" .
Now depends of stabilization maybe you can find from seed a grandma but not mother, maybe grandma is kick ass and mother just a copy of a grandma ?
In one word, find plant what is by your taste & criteria and simple enjoy in her, since (im guessing) you wont be a breeder.
One thing nobody can deny and its about vigor and yield.
Female plants from regular seeds has much much more vigour and more yield.
Even clones has lower vigour than fems from regular seeds.
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bringyalungs
breeder no, genetic preservationist yes...but I was thinking when you breed, is the smoke better that fem smoke? cause it will have seeds in it hence not true sinsemilla....right or wrong?
OldRod
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bringyalungs
thanks for the comment oldrod, bless
Hi Mesosphere,
We use the same lines and similar parental plants to produce the standard version and the fem version of a strain. The goal is always to produce plants that are as close as possible to the strain description, although obviously the outcome won't be exactly the same, but in the same way sisters from same parental plants are always different, each plant from seed is unique.
Standard reproduction involves female/s pollinated by male/s while feminized reproduction involves female/s pollinated by reversed female/s. Parental plants in both cases can be similar (like sharing same mothers, etc ....) but are not exactly the same.
Anyway, the quality, vigor, potency, aromas of a line are determined by the breeding, and not by the strain format.
Why don't you ever see two or more versions of the same feminized strain? Let's say you find a couple of very different but great pheno's among a regular strain. If you made feminized seeds from both, they would produce different plants, mirroring the parent pheno's used, right?
I could easily see Zamaldelica I and Zamaldelica II femmed seeds, for example.
I could easily see Zamaldelica I and Zamaldelica II femmed seeds, for example.
Snook
Still Learning
breeder or preservationist. "not true sinsemilla"...wrong.
http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/sinsemilla
regular seeds can and will produce male plants and female plants. EDIT: its your job to breed with males or discard them and only go with seedless female plants, sinsemilla.
Only when the male pollinates the female are there seeds produced. take away the male pollen and the females do not produce seeds, only sinsemillia. feminized seeds will produce only female plants, hence, they too produce sinsemilla. either of these seeds, once blooming as females can turn hermaphrodite (hermy) and produce male parts (pollen sacks) that will and do pollinate themselves when the pland feels some kind of life threat, like irregular light schedule, or a light leak in your grow area..
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quokka
I remember an idiot trying to tell me that 'Sinsemilla' was a cannabis STRAIN, and was getting mad at me for politely disregarding his rubbish.
Snook
Still Learning
there coulda been a strain called 'sinsemilla'. naming conventions aren't controlled... YET!
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quokka
Yes, you are correct, but the fact that he was laughing at me for saying that Sinsemilla was seedless flowers, makes me doubt he has any clue about what he says.
