Female WW seedlings need to be saved

[gertrude420]

I just started these seedlings 3 weeks ago, and a week ago put them under the 1 k hps light after transplanting into pure potting soil.... i ferted a little bit after showing signs on the leaves but that made it worse, and then watered with 9.6 ph adjusted water because it was coming out at 5.5 ph when 7.5 ph water was given so it is very acidic... here are the pics... should i flush with straight plain water, or give ferts there almost dead!!

I was giving PH UP btw to raise ph in water...

 

[Core]

these yellowisch spots on the leaves ...tells me they are lockt up....due 2 severe ph changes....
why did you use higher ph values to raise the soils ph ? 9.6 what where you thinking man ...or woman.....you NEVER do that....that dont work for the plants or the soils...they will absorb the high or low ph's....that aint good....!!

are you taking ph measseaurments of the runoff?..you should't do that for soils ph...you should take soils ph with distilled water imo

 

[Guest]

Suggestion: Read up on soil growing, pH and nutes. These plants are gonna die unless you get the pH levels right on!

 

[MTF-Sandman]

Your PH is definitely whacked...flush em to remove any built up PH buffers, recheck the PH (going in and coming out) and if it's still coming out acidic, add some dolomite lime to that peat mix to help stabilize the PH to 6.2-6.5.

 

[gertrude420]

well i gave them 9.6 ph water because the soil ph was like 5 and wouldn't budge. i figure it would even it out to 6-7.. but then this just happened....


OK so I will flush with straight water... and sprinkle 1 Table spoon of dolmite lime over top...

And we will go from there

 

[Pufftillicum]

I say your gonna play hell getting those plants to "unlock" Let em go and do some reading on soil growing then start over. That Ph swing with Ph that high is gonna stunt the hell out of them at best. All the growth as of now will most likely die so you will be starting off new anyway unless they are some great genetics then by all means save them otherwise your just out 3 weeks. Sorry, Puff

 

[gertrude420]

Ya its a top strain... No way im letting go... I was just doing these to get some moms for hydro clones 1 month down the road. there all female seeds too!!

I put a tablespoon of dolmite lime over top the soil on ea one.. and water all pots with 7 Gallons of 7.3 PH Tap Water... I took all the dead leafs off, so all thats left is somewhat healthy really small secondary growth.....


I have done lots of reading on soil growing, P.H. all that.... Anything and everything that was every posted on Overgrow since I was 14 Years! Have always had difficulties though with lockouts and ph fluctuations, which all started with soils being too organic and out of ph. causing a chain of problems, and making it impossible pinpoint to a cause... but i will stick with the sprinkled lime and straight water for the next week and make updates to see if there doing better.....

Thanks for help so

 

[Guest]

Honestly you need to ooh so carefully take them out of that current soil and get them in a good PH'd mix. Lots of Perlite and 1.5 cups dolomite lime per bag. Preferably let the mix "stew" for a week or two, then use. If you can get ahold of some Ocean Forest or Happy Frog, it is already PH adjusted (I add lime anyway just to be safe)

But the current soil will give you all kinds of hell PH wise. I tried to fight through a bad batch of soil once and only once. was quite painfull to deal with.

What does your soil consist of at the moment?

 

[stihgnobevoli]

you got some serious PH and nute burn issues.

my suggestion is flush flush flush.

 

[Guest]

I'll tell you a fool Proof way to remove them from the current soil and also how to transplant them with bare roots.

Get the plants out of the current containers, take the ball of dirt turn it upside down to support the plants and with a water hose gently wash all the dirt off the plants until there is no dirt left, this works and causes no damage to the plants at, I've done this many times with yard seedlings and I've never killed one, ever.

Secondly have the replacement containers ready to go with a circle of dirt moved out of the center this is where your going to sit the plants, gently sit the plants in the new holes and spin them until all the roots have went to the bottom of the circle, then gently sprincle loose dirt on top of the hole and fill it all the way upthen water to tighten the soil, DO NOT PRESS the soil.

This has worked many times(30+) and I was thinking about starting a thread to show people how to do this but I havent got around to it, consider yourself lucky I saw the thread otherwise they will die with that soil, nute, ph combo fuck up you achieved. Just go by what I wrote and give them tap water with small ammount of nutes, correct you ph(I'm not surte what soil is, I grow hyroponically) and things should be fine.

 

[gertrude420]

Wow Dank, I don't feel like doing it but I think your right in End about taking them outta that soil... and i will do it... I have to find some neutral soil and start over...

Is it A good Idea to take them under something other than 1000 watts hps ? 24/0 right now while there struggling..

 

[stihgnobevoli]

you dont need to take em out of the soil just flush em.

 

[Pufftillicum]

I would say yes change soil, I think flushing would help but you have a better chance of fully recovering with a soil change.. Just my ,Puff

Oh and I didn't mean to insult you was just trying to help, figured you were newer because of the whole throwing that high a ph water on em to even em out.

 

[Guest]

Yea you need to lower that light schedule, with that many watts the plants never get a rest and that is only adding to the problem, drop it to an 18/4 but for sure change the soil. Remember be very gentle when you are wshing the dirt away and it probably would be better to do them in the sink so you can use luke-warm water thats actually where I did all of mine at i just said water hose because you have so much more dirt to wash away, you may want to set up a catch bowl to catch all the dirt so your sink doesn't clog up.

You don't want to change lights because that could and probably would trigger lumen shock which will make the plants droop because they are used to being under the 1000, this would only add to the problem, you may want to raise the light an inch or two but don't change it. I hope it all works out for you.

I'm just curious but how much does that 1000w on 24/0 cost you per month, and what do you have ventelating that area?

 

[gertrude420]

i pay 0.08 cents per kilowatt..... just punch those digits, light cycle and digits into an electricity calculator to find out... Im im not sure... this is the one I use

http://www.super-grow.biz/Electricity.jsp

 

[stihgnobevoli]

wtf is lumen shock? you guys are just making shit up now.

its a plant its a very basic thing.

it takes in sunlight and co2 which it uses to produce chlorophyll a sugar and feeds on it. it produces oxygen as a byproduct. just like algae which are also plant life. They arent people and they dont have eyes. when you turn on a light in the dark period for a few minutes they dont go hermie, they dont even know the light is on. when you move em from outside in the sun to inside under artificial llight they arent gonna just plop over and die cuz they notice they arent under the sun anymore. and if you take plants from inside under artificial light and put em out in the sunlight they wont burst into flames cuz the sun is so much more powerful than the lights inside.

the things you hear on weed growing forums. i think some of you smoke too much. i really do.

 

[Guest]

If you take a plant that is used to getting the wattage and lumens of a 100w hps and swithc to a flouro or a 400w it will cause the leaves to droop for a while, and yes if you tamke plants from outside, inside it will do the same thing unless you have a light that is producing the same or more ammounts of lumens, and it will burn the hell out of a plant that was formerly inside if moved outise in direct sunlight, I've seen it happen to a guy on here before and that was within two hours. Yo ugrow with cfl's so your opinin on lumen shock is kinda wack to say the least take one of your cfl midgets outside in the summer and see if sho don't burn up.

 

[bluntman 420]

wtf is lumen shock? you guys are just making shit up now.

its a plant its a very basic thing.

it takes in sunlight and co2 which it uses to produce chlorophyll a sugar and feeds on it. it produces oxygen as a byproduct. just like algae which are also plant life. They arent people and they dont have eyes. when you turn on a light in the dark period for a few minutes they dont go hermie, they dont even know the light is on. when you move em from outside in the sun to inside under artificial llight they arent gonna just plop over and die cuz they notice they arent under the sun anymore. and if you take plants from inside under artificial light and put em out in the sunlight they wont burst into flames cuz the sun is so much more powerful than the lights inside.

the things you hear on weed growing forums. i think some of you smoke too much. i really do.

lol.... there is such a thing as lumen shock.

 

[Guest]

Whats happening with the plants Gertie?

 

[Guest]

Ya its a top strain... No way im letting go... I was just doing these to get some moms for hydro clones 1 month down the road. there all female seeds too!!

I put a tablespoon of dolmite lime over top the soil on ea one.. and water all pots with 7 Gallons of 7.3 PH Tap Water... I took all the dead leafs off, so all thats left is somewhat healthy really small secondary growth.....


I have done lots of reading on soil growing, P.H. all that.... Anything and everything that was every posted on Overgrow since I was 14 Years! Have always had difficulties though with lockouts and ph fluctuations, which all started with soils being too organic and out of ph. causing a chain of problems, and making it impossible pinpoint to a cause... but i will stick with the sprinkled lime and straight water for the next week and make updates to see if there doing better.....

Thanks for help so

That ph idea of urs was a bad idea. You shoulda ran it by some of us here on these forums first.