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CosmicGiggle

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:good: Insatiable demand for cannabis has created a giant carbon footprint

phys.org/news/2021-03-insatiable-demand-cannabis-giant-carbon.html

It's no secret that the United States' $13 billion cannabis industry is big business. Less obvious to many is the environmental toll this booming business is taking, in the form of greenhouse gas emissions from commercial, mostly indoor production.

A new study by Colorado State University researchers provides the most detailed accounting to date of the industry's carbon footprint, a sum around which there is only limited understanding. What is clear, though, is that consumer demand for cannabis is insatiable and shows no signs of stopping as more states sign on to legalization.

The study, published in Nature Sustainability, was led by graduate student Hailey Summers, whose advisor, Jason Quinn, is an associate professor in the Department of Mechanical Engineering. Summers, Quinn and Evan Sproul, a research scientist in mechanical engineering, performed a life-cycle assessment of indoor cannabis operations across the U.S., analyzing the energy and materials required to grow the product, and tallying corresponding greenhouse gas emissions.

They found that greenhouse gas emissions from cannabis production are largely attributed to electricity production and natural gas consumption from indoor environmental controls, high-intensity grow lights, and supplies of carbon dioxide for accelerated plant growth.

"We knew the emissions were going to be large, but because they hadn't been fully quantified previously, we identified this as a big research opportunity space," Summers said. "We just wanted to run with it."

The CSU group's efforts update previous work by Lawrence Berkeley National Laboratory researchers, which quantified small-scale grow operations in California and predated the cascade of state-by-state legalization since Colorado was first to legalize in 2012. To date, 36 states have legalized medical use of cannabis, and 15 have legalized recreational use.

Mapping variable emissions

The CSU team surmised there would be substantial variability in emissions depending on where the product was being grown, due to climate as well as electric grid emissions. Their recently published work captures the potential cross-country spread of large commercial warehouses for growing cannabis, and it models emissions for several high-growth locations around the country. Their results include a map that shows relative emissions anywhere in the U.S., as defined as emissions per kilogram of cannabis flower. They've also developed a GIS map that allows users to enter a county name and find local emissions estimates.

Their research shows that U.S. indoor cannabis cultivation results in life-cycle greenhouse gas emissions of between 2,283 and 5,184 kilograms of carbon dioxide per kilogram of dried flower. Compare that to emissions from electricity use in outdoor and greenhouse cannabis growth, which is 22.7 and 326.6 kilograms of carbon dioxide, respectively, according to the New Frontier Data 2018 Cannabis Energy Report. Those outdoor and greenhouse numbers only consider electricity, while the CSU researchers' estimate is more comprehensive, but the comparison still highlights the enormously larger footprint of indoor grow operations.

The researchers were surprised to find that heating, ventilation and air conditioning systems held the largest energy demand, with numbers fluctuating depending on the local climate—whether in Florida, which requires excessive dehumidifying, or Colorado, where heating is more important.

The high energy consumption of cannabis is due in part to how the product is regulated, Quinn said. In Colorado, many grow operations are required to be in close proximity to retail storefronts, and this has caused an explosion of energy-hungry indoor warehouses in urban areas like Denver. According to a report from the Denver Department of Public Health and Environment, electricity use from cannabis cultivation and other products grew from 1% to 4% of Denver's total electricity consumption between 2013 and 2018.

The team is seeking more funding for continuing their modeling work, with hopes of extending it to a comparison between indoor and potential outdoor growth operations. Ultimately, they would like to help the industry tackle environmental concerns while legal cannabis is still relatively new in the U.S.

"We would like to try and improve environmental impacts before they have become built into the way of doing business," Sproul said.
 

Veggia farmer

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Im in no favor of shaming, but yeah, grow the greens green as possible.

Anyone know how indoors vs outdoors is produced?
 

MallardDuck

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At least they are producing something of value.... Bitcoin pisses me off. A single transaction takes about a months worth of energy that an average US household uses. The entire network uses the more of energy per year as the entire country of Bangladesh. Don't hate me Bitcoin fans, but Bitcoins are a major problem.
 

maryjaneismyfre

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The power companies should be feeling guilty, not growing operations, it is no secret that wattage is needed in growing weed..They could have planned for it and put in sustainable energy production long ago, it is not like a solar panel or wind turbine are new tech. Growers in germany dont have to feel an ounce of guilt as their administrators are more responsible and made sure their power companies invested in sustainable energy. In our country there was a huge outcry for sustainable power, but the powers that be had already taken the money from those supposed to build the nuke plants, coal stations or future gas plants (all different bribes taken and nothing delivered hahaha, stopped in court!) and supply the uranium, or coal, or gas..so they delayed it until they could no more, then when the wind and power was installed they were producing power for so cheap that the powers that be made them turn the supply off and stop the windmills, to prevent having to pay the wind and solar power companies as they were too busy turning the main power off at everyone's inconvenience multiple times a day to try to fool them that there was a crises and force the hand to go nuclear which took out aging infrastructure and created a real crises from which years later we have not emerged, with defunct and not functional white elephant coal plants to show for many many many billions of investment..true story LOL..anyways point is, power is about politics, and power, and money..and the end, the end consumer has no guilt nor even a say actually unless they lobby those in power to change the status quo, or make a big rukus in the media and go the activism route and make the change happen themselves..and only those that do so, can grow guilt free, unless you spent the huge amount to go off grid and grow minimal bud inside. No continual income for mines or old money on solar or wind, unless you own all the land (maybe that is gates' plan?) hence the world still on non renewable energy, the grower should be thanked for stimulating the economy as any power used to turn the economic wheel and make some value that was not there before is good for all at the end of the day.

Ramble ramble...LOL..
 

Veggia farmer

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Speaking of it. I have been thinking about going partly off grid. Already got water flowing... Hmm.. Getting ideas hehe
 

thisisarolex

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What is clear, though, is that consumer demand for cannabis is insatiable and shows no signs of stopping as more states sign on to legalization.

1 person cant have the job. 1 person cant afford the cannabis. u take his $ for season to his $ for buying its pretty much stopping. was way better internet weed story b4 Colorado.
 

unclefishstick

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ditch your car,get leds,plant a big landscape garden( low water of course) as a personal carbon sink,eat a veggie based diet,shop local as much as possible...
 

Donald Mallard

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If they didnt make weed illegal ,, barely anyone would need to grow indoors ,
the blame can be squarely put at the feet of the government that did this ,
the cost of policing and then accessing/growing weed while illegal is massive ,
and its pretty much harmless , specially when compared to the 2 drugs that are legally accessible ...

we could still be enjoying thai stick , colombian , mexican , etc etc if not for some short sighted ,
corrupt politicians ...
 

igrowone

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If they didnt make weed illegal ,, barely anyone would need to grow indoors ,
the blame can be squarely put at the feet of the government that did this ,
the cost of policing and then accessing/growing weed while illegal is massive ,
and its pretty much harmless , specially when compared to the 2 drugs that are legally accessible ...

we could still be enjoying thai stick , colombian , mexican , etc etc if not for some short sighted ,
corrupt politicians ...

this
indoor growing would never have been a thing without the prohibition
the electric genie is here to stay but how I'd love to have an outdoor grow again
 

GanjaMisfit

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Of course there is a carbon footprint for indoor growing of any kind but it's really minor in comparison to other industries. Articles like this are just another way for them to demonize cannabis. Let's talk about the carbon footprint of big alcohol and big pharma...
 

armedoldhippy

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easy to say "grow outdoors" to go easy on the environment, but...if people can see it/find it, it WILL be stolen, even if not ready to harvest. if EVERYONE was free to grow it in their yards, there would still be assholes that would rather steal yours just because they are lazy pieces of shit.
 

Donald Mallard

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easy to say "grow outdoors" to go easy on the environment, but...if people can see it/find it, it WILL be stolen, even if not ready to harvest. if EVERYONE was free to grow it in their yards, there would still be assholes that would rather steal yours just because they are lazy pieces of shit.

thats true oldhippy,
but once they became as common as tomatoes growing in the backyards
folks wouldnt be as bothered i dont reckon ,

imagine how cheap it would be if we were still able to buy it from the "sweet spots"
last thai weed i got in thailand was only $20 an oz ,, that wasnt even bulk rate , and a long way from the source ..
....
 
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mmmmm.drooling donald. your spot on from here. till its a weed again.
 

Sunshineinabag

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thats true oldhippy,
but once they became as common as tomatoes growing in the backyards
folks wouldnt be as bothered i dont reckon ,

imagine how cheap it would be if we were still able to buy it from the "sweet spots"
last thai weed i got in thailand was only $20 an oz ,, that wasnt even bulk rate , and a long way from the source ..
....

We planned to plant sexy hemp cultivars in easy to rip locations and the sexy haze's in nasty bug infested swamps most lazy thief's wouldn't dream of venturing
 

TychoMonolyth

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We planned to plant sexy hemp cultivars in easy to rip locations and the sexy haze's in nasty bug infested swamps most lazy thief's wouldn't dream of venturing

Great idea. Someone took 4 late starts I had last year. I'd like to do a couple hundred for them in the same spot. The down side is the hemp I know of doesn't really smell like weed. No skunk to it at all. But it looks great.
 

flylowgethigh

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easy to say "grow outdoors" to go easy on the environment, but...if people can see it/find it, it WILL be stolen, even if not ready to harvest. if EVERYONE was free to grow it in their yards, there would still be assholes that would rather steal yours just because they are lazy pieces of shit.

The guys in Canada with their 4 outside plants are seeing that. Don't forget critters, bugs, and around here - mold. I have spot where I dump the chicken grease the dawgs don't get. That ground is growing pink, white, and black mold. The green stuff is everywhere the sun isn't in direct contact. Plus, on illegal ground the cops my decide they want to take it away. That said, I plan to put the plants that don't make it into a flower tent outside somewhere.
 

armedoldhippy

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thats true oldhippy,
but once they became as common as tomatoes growing in the backyards
folks wouldnt be as bothered i dont reckon ,

imagine how cheap it would be if we were still able to buy it from the "sweet spots"
last thai weed i got in thailand was only $20 an oz ,, that wasnt even bulk rate , and a long way from the source ..
....

i hope you are right, Donald. and in the long run, you will be, i believe. (hope?) of course, i thought weed was about to be made legal 40 years ago, lol. i guess i live in a place where the thieves have no morals. lazy, opportunistic, etc. if EVERYONE was growing, they would go yard to yard & steal the very best...i'm thinking about chain-link dog lot fencing with chain-link roof attached, and motion detector lighting/alarms.
 

EsterEssence

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I grow in a green house, the sides are shade cloth for air circulation, with a few fans running, extremely low tech. I have a $5.00 motion detector that has some lights and siren, solar powered. Very small carbon footprint...
 

armedoldhippy

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I grow in a green house, the sides are shade cloth for air circulation, with a few fans running, extremely low tech. I have a $5.00 motion detector that has some lights and siren, solar powered. Very small carbon footprint...

i would KILL to have a decent size greenhouse. unfortunately, there are very few to be seen in folks' yards locally, making them targets for teenagers & nosy neighbors. what ever happened to "live & let live" and "stay the fuck outta my damn yard!"
 

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