Feeding During Stretch

[TheDarkStorm]

Just to clarify I know quite abit about placo and the studies done into the damage to the heart, liver and reproductive system.... I know about the various studies done on rats and fish...I know about studies done on how it affects a growing body......I know about these
Bushmaster: 271ppm Paclobutrazol
Gravity: 516ppm Paclobutrazol
Flower Dragon: 18,400-18,650ppm Daminozide, 30-46.3ppm Paclobutrazol
Phosphoload: 17,800ppm Daminozide, 20.6ppm Paclobutrazol
TopLoad: 3,467ppm Daminozide
and the undisclosed amounts (wich ive listed) most of which were removed from the shelves....I know all about Bushload and it label " for expert use only" along with ": “Do not use this product on anything you plan to consume"......I know albout fedral laws regarding nutrients....and epa studies..recomendations and clerances...in uk, usa, cannada ect...i know all about the fiasco with the bikers in Australia and super bud and then getting pulled, shutdown and having to re-opening and trying the same thing again and again and changing the name an bottles till the guys got shut down for good.....I just said I dont know much because Im not willing to go into a debate about it.....im not against anyone using what they want....if I know there might be some risks ive done my bit by informing the person....aleast they can then decide to use it knowing whats what.....but I know many people using these substances and then giving the finished product to people without them knowing whats in it and the risks....thats unfair......but I think people themselves can work out it can be toxic...and causes toxicity.....
Nice plants.....good pics.....would be great to see some in later flower if possible please...thanks....

 

[Ca++]

The first thing paclo does, at the lowest dose you can imagine, is make it all taste the same. Not a nice same either. My local shop back then, would split the big bottle into syringes, and not say what it actually was. So I did quite a few trials, to get it low enough to not ruin the weed, but still be useful. No such dose exists.

The guy from the shop died of skin cancer.

We need to get real here. The guy saying it's fine, is showing us his bottle that says ornamentals. This stops tulips falling over. It will never get licensed for cannabis, or it would be already.

This is too important for me to divert my post back on topic. I'm just going to leave this on the subject of poison control

 

[Old Uncle Ben]

Stay you ub.

 

[Old Uncle Ben]

Just to clarify I know quite abit about placo and the studies done into the damage to the heart, liver and reproductive system.... I know about the various studies done on rats and fish...I know about studies done on how it affects a growing body......I know about these
Bushmaster: 271ppm Paclobutrazol
Gravity: 516ppm Paclobutrazol
Flower Dragon: 18,400-18,650ppm Daminozide, 30-46.3ppm Paclobutrazol
Phosphoload: 17,800ppm Daminozide, 20.6ppm Paclobutrazol
TopLoad: 3,467ppm Daminozide
and the undisclosed amounts (wich ive listed) most of which were removed from the shelves....I know all about Bushload and it label " for expert use only" along with ": “Do not use this product on anything you plan to consume"......I know albout fedral laws regarding nutrients....and epa studies..recomendations and clerances...in uk, usa, cannada ect...i know all about the fiasco with the bikers in Australia and super bud and then getting pulled, shutdown and having to re-opening and trying the same thing again and again and changing the name an bottles till the guys got shut down for good.....I just said I dont know much because Im not willing to go into a debate about it.....im not against anyone using what they want....if I know there might be some risks ive done my bit by informing the person....aleast they can then decide to use it knowing whats what.....but I know many people using these substances and then giving the finished product to people without them knowing whats in it and the risks....thats unfair......but I think people themselves can work out it can be toxic...and causes toxicity.....
Nice plants.....good pics.....would be great to see some in later flower if possible please...thanks....

What is placo?

Say what? You be thumping outrageous PPM's of 18,400 and I'm doing 4?

Got any studies you're all knowing about other than extremes you see that are off the wall while not having a valid signature with what I'm doing or others like tobacco, mango and avocado commercial growers around the world?

You're fear mongering, chest beating without any real world proof or experience as it relates to my garden on a fuckin' pot site.

Having said that, yes, I'll be glad to cho ya sum fowfers when day cum big time.

FAIL

 

[Old Uncle Ben]

We need to get real here. The guy saying it's fine, is showing us his bottle that says ornamentals. This stops tulips falling over. It will never get licensed for cannabis, or it would be already.

1. Look Genius, for starts it doesn't stop tulips from falling over, it's not designed for that, but I'm sure you have first hand experience of such.

You have not done your homework and it shows.

2. As I said before, nothing will get licensed until the manufacturer takes the first step of submitting their product for review which involves years of experimentation, trials, and a shit load of money. It's a case of risk vs reward. Most say fuck it, it's not monetarily worth taking the risk and time. Like your cannabis snake oils (which are NOT regulated) chemical firms are in it to make money.

Long live Monsanto!

This is too important for me to divert my post back on topic. I'm just going to leave this on the subject of poison control

Bless your heart.

But someone is twisting your arm to go out and buy a bottle of Paclo Pro to see what all the hooplah is about, right?

This is what's ironical. Some of you guys can buy into your supplement crap, especially organics, that has been tested and proven to contain heavy metals like lead but that's OK.

UB

 

[HarleyJammer]

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Hate to do this to you, Old Douche Bag.. I'm going to have to put your &ss on the Iggy List. Feel free to come back to my thread and continue to sh!t in it.. Cause I know your arrogant, narcissistic A-HOLE self cant help it.

PS...

Foxtrot Uniform Charlie Kilo Yankee Oscar Uniform

 

[xtsho]

Some strains are going to stretch. I just let them do their thing. Supercropping has always been my method of keeping them somewhat in control.

I had to get physical with this one to fit it in the tent after starting it outdoors. The small pot didn't seem to slow anything down. Plant still got 7 ft tall in a 1.75 liter pot.

Old Timers Haze.

 

[CocoNut 420]

Pgr's gets the name of the devil lol im not familiar with them.

Idk what pgr's the growers are using but it really is dire quality.
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My own bud.
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I wouldn't mind stopping leggy plants with some paclobutrazol but I'd rather suffer leggy plants than use something that might alter the end product.

Tbf I doubt you would be using paclobutrazol if had any negative effects but I need to ask does it affect resin production?

Cheers.

Hey folk's, by limiting the root ball and not re potting until partially through stretch I've an average of circa 20"

I should mention that i'm looking for testers my main aim isn't weight for now.

 

[spacetraveller]

I grow mostly pure sat's and sat dom plants in tents, with small pots, but hydroponically.
4 to 5 week stretch is probably a bit optimistic for the average pure sativas, probably 5 to 7 for many, and 8+ weeks for some.
I use a 3 l pot until stretch is over. For seed grows, up to 7 days veg lighting, then straight to flower. If I know the strain is prone to growing beasts, then no veg time at all, and I will also likely top the plant after the 4th pair of nodes are developed. For monsters with extra long stretch durations, then I will grow 1 per tent, and pull the side branches into the corners and grow like a scrog.
After stretch, then replant into appropriate size pot to suit plant.
For feed strength, I start at .3 ec and slowly ramp up to 1.0 ec by the end of stretch. For flowering 1.2 seems about average for many, ramping down to about .8 for the final few weeks. I have a pure sat here who likes 1.6, some more, some less. Read the leaves, they will have a lot to say about this.

 

[CocoNut 420]

@spacetraveller have you ever tried starting your seeds or seedlings from 12-12?

 

[spacetraveller]

@spacetraveller have you ever tried starting your seeds or seedlings from 12-12?

Sometimes seedlings, especially pure sativa hybrids or haze /sativa hybrids. These types tend to stretch for a long time, and grow way too big if veged for too long.
From cuttings, yes, depending on the cut.

 

[Ca++]

1. Look Genius, for starts it doesn't stop tulips from falling over, it's not designed for that, but I'm sure you have first hand experience of such.

You have not done your homework and it shows.

2. As I said before, nothing will get licensed until the manufacturer takes the first step of submitting their product for review which involves years of experimentation, trials, and a shit load of money. It's a case of risk vs reward. Most say fuck it, it's not monetarily worth taking the risk and time. Like your cannabis snake oils (which are NOT regulated) chemical firms are in it to make money.

Long live Monsanto!



Bless your heart.

But someone is twisting your arm to go out and buy a bottle of Paclo Pro to see what all the hooplah is about, right?

This is what's ironical. Some of you guys can buy into your supplement crap, especially organics, that has been tested and proven to contain heavy metals like lead but that's OK.

UB

This just shows where you stand in the school yard. There is a thing called a search engine now, and you can tap in paclo tulip and see the results come pouring in. You are growing poisonous weed. The stuff even says ornamentals on it in your pics. Just how lacking is it in your head.
You may as well tune out now, because today's growers don't need your kind of help.



P is the main feed constituent responsible for big frames. It's not long ago we thought it N, but P has been proven, and I have used it myself to increase size. the N idea wasn't unfounded though. An N reduction is the best bit of crop steering you can do, to speed ahead. Some feeds only use the bloom for transition, then get back to grow.
Perhaps these are areas you could look at, to reduce the stretch, if it's only feed changes you are interested in here.

 

[xtsho]

Millenia of plants adapting to grow the best they can.

In 2024 someone on a cannabis forum says the best thing to do is cut off all the leaves.

Advice I won't be taking.

 

[PlastikeRubba]

Before Indica we sprayed indica hormones:

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Today they breed shitty indica weed, cuz they are gonna grow it shitty anyway, blame it on environment and personal preference when it smells smokes like shit, so who cares.


I always thought cytokinins relationship with calcium was the reason behind the pot growers obsession with that sole molecule. Then I realized not a single one of them even knew the synergistism between calcium and cytokinin. So I started making fun of them for being a bunch of parrot beak sheep. They must be smoking indica,not properly grown sativa (doesn't exist in the US).

 

[RequiredUsername]

So, my experience is heavily weighted on super soils and indica doms.. always seemed to grow for others' preferences. Now, I am going to focus on sativa strains just for my own medicine. My plan is to employ small container root restriction to minimize stretch then up-pot post stretch. I will veg the clones for one week then flip to flower. I would like to try Roots Organics Terp Teas to feed them. Anywho, during the 4-5 week stretch period how do you handle the NPK ratio?

With the correct light schedule for short day, long night plants, stretch is very minimal. After seedling stage, veg them 12 on 5.5 off, 1 on, 5.5 off. This keeps them in veg and makes shorter compact plants with greater leaf surface area. Works on sativas too. As for giant sativas you may want to use flower lighting schedule after seedling stage to keep them as small enough to be managed.