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FEDS MAY TAX POT

megayields

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SEATTLE (AP) - An effort is building in Congress to change U.S. marijuana laws, including moves to legalize the industrial production of hemp and establish a hefty federal pot tax.

While passage this year could be a longshot, lawmakers from both parties have been quietly working on several bills, the first of which Democratic Reps. Earl Blumenauer of Oregon and Jared Polis of Colorado plan to introduce Tuesday, Blumenauer told The Associated Press.

Polis' measure would regulate marijuana the way the federal government handles alcohol: In states that legalize pot, growers would have to obtain a federal permit. Oversight of marijuana would be removed from the Drug Enforcement Administration and given to the newly renamed Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Marijuana and Firearms, and it would remain illegal to bring marijuana from a state where it's legal to one where it isn't.

The bill is based on a legalization measure previously pushed by former Reps. Barney Frank of Massachusetts and Ron Paul of Texas.

Blumenauer's bill would create a federal marijuana excise tax of 50 percent on the "first sale" of marijuana - typically, from a grower to a processor or retailer. It also would tax pot producers or importers $1,000 annually and other marijuana businesses $500.

His office said Monday it doesn't yet have an estimate of how much the taxes might bring in. But a policy paper Blumenauer and Polis are releasing this week suggests, based on admittedly vague estimates, that a federal tax of $50 per ounce could raise $20 billion a year. They call for directing the money to law enforcement, substance abuse treatment and the national debt.

Last fall's votes in Colorado and Washington state to legalize recreational marijuana should push Congress to end the 75-year federal pot prohibition, Blumenauer said.
Washington state officials have estimated that its legal marijuana market could bring in about half a billion dollars a year in state taxes.

"You folks in Washington and my friends in Colorado really upset the apple cart," Blumenauer said. "We're still arresting two-thirds of a million people for use of a substance that a majority feel should be legal. ... It's past time for us to step in and try to sort this stuff out."

Advocates who are working with the lawmakers acknowledge it could take years for any changes to get through Congress, but they're encouraged by recent developments. Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell last week came out in support of efforts to legalize hemp in his home state of Kentucky, and U.S. Rep. Dana Rohrabacher, R-Calif., is expected to introduce legislation allowing states to set their own policy on marijuana.

Senate Judiciary Chairman Patrick Leahy, D-Vt., has indicated he plans to hold a hearing on the conflict between state and federal marijuana laws and has urged an end to federal "mandatory minimum" sentences that lead to long prison stints for drug crimes.
"We're seeing enormous political momentum to undo the drug war failings of the past 40 years," said Bill Piper, director of national affairs for the Drug Policy Alliance, who has been working with lawmakers on marijuana-related bills. "For the first time, the wind is behind our back."

The Justice Department hasn't said how it plans to respond to the votes in Washington and Colorado. It could sue to block the states from issuing licenses to marijuana growers, processors and retail stores, on the grounds that doing so would conflict with federal drug law.

Blumenauer and Polis' paper urges a number of changes, including altering tax codes to let marijuana dispensaries deduct business expenses on federal taxes, and making it easier for marijuana-related businesses to get bank accounts. Many operate on a cash basis because federally insured banks won't work with them, they noted.

Blumenauer said he expects to introduce the tax-code legislation as well as a bill that would reschedule marijuana under the Controlled Substances Act, allowing states to enact medical marijuana laws without fear that federal authorities will continue raiding dispensaries or prosecuting providers. It makes no sense that marijuana is a Schedule I drug, in the same category as heroin and a more restrictive category than cocaine, Blumenauer said.

The measures have little chance of passing, said Kevin Sabet, a former White House drug policy adviser. Sabet recently joined former Rhode Island Rep. Patrick Kennedy and former President George W. Bush speechwriter David Frum in forming a group called Project SAM - for "smart approaches to marijuana" - to counter the growing legalization movement. Sabet noted that previous federal legalization measures have always failed.

"These are really extreme solutions to the marijuana problem we have in this country," Sabet said. "The marijuana problem we have is a problem of addiction among kids, and stigma of people who have a criminal record for marijuana crimes.

"There are a lot more people in Congress who think that marijuana should be illegal but treated as a public health problem, than think it should be legal."

Project SAM suggests people shouldn't get criminal records for small-time marijuana offenses, but instead could face probation or treatment.
 

wildgrow

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Good article Mega.

Time for big brother to step aside on marijuana use.

I think we all know that theyre going to want their share, but any indication on whether or not and how much, if any, the fed will charge a tax on personal use growers?
 

Santa1949

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As long as they can't tax on personal grows of 6 plants or less and possession of less that 5 lbs.........I don't really care....

MoJo should be legal no matter.....
 

mwz

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The Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Marijuana and Firearms sounds nothing but chock full of awesome lol

Personally, I think any government making money from pot legalization is a good thing. Hopefully it'll start a domino effect of governments going 'hey, that gov made money from pot, we're cash strapped, we now have more cause to follow their path!'.

At the end of the day, all governments are a business. You pay your taxes and they provides services and infrastructure. taxing pot, like alcohol, is nothing but good business. This is the same as bad business is having harsh drug penalties, yet not taxing high enough to cover building more and more jails (California jail overcrowding). The sin tax on alcohol rakes in the cash for governments. And it works in our favor, the carrot on a stick for legalization (which really is regulation). I think there's a lot of things which wouldn't take place if they didn't make governments money.

As far as personal grows, I'd say there'd be no difference to making your own home brew beer. When making home brew, the only tax you pay is on the ingredients and kit to get started. I don't see why weed would be any different.
 

mwz

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Can I say, although I am from the other side of the world, in a country that is getting more repressive towards drugs, that I am so proud of America and Americans. You people are amazing, and I think what you have done in Washington State and Colorado (those are the two states right?) is nothing short of fucking incredible. :D
 

stasis

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Thanks for saying so mwz........... But, we all must note that the 'authorities' that pass judgement, as illustrated in the post by Mega, are possibly going against the majority of the American People.. What a corruption of freedom and democrazy that is..
 

FRIENDinDEED

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they need to just hurry up with this shit already I just want to have a couple of plants going in the back yard without worrying if some asshole is gonna rip my plants up for their street value
 

vertigo0007

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They need to tax the fuck out of retail operations (dispensaries), and leave the grower the fuck alone. Its the retail ops making stupid unjustified profits that need to be put in check.
 

Crusader Rabbit

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They'll be wanting to stick their noses up every home grower's asshole. But it will be a big deal when the smell of marijuana smoke isn't probable cause to enter your home.



"Taxes are the price we pay for a civilized society." Oliver Wendell Holmes Jr.
 
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RandyCalifornia

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Here we go the Gov. is going to do a job on herb. I say leave it the Ferk alone.
Feds, State, County, City, they're all gonna want their cut. They all see $$$$$$ signs.
The little people will be left supporting a black market so things aren't going to change much really.
 

LubdaNugs

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Here we go the Gov. is going to do a job on herb. I say leave it the Ferk alone.
Feds, State, County, City, they're all gonna want their cut. They all see $$$$$$ signs.
The little people will be left supporting a black market so things aren't going to change much really.

I tend to agree, I think that the Fed/State....et al taxing will keep prices high and allow the black market to flourish.
 

Santa1949

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NO RAISE IN TAXES FOR DISTRIBUTION

NO RAISE IN TAXES FOR DISTRIBUTION

They need to tax the fuck out of retail operations (dispensaries), and leave the grower the fuck alone. Its the retail ops making stupid unjustified profits that need to be put in check.


Let the states and the feds keep their tax rates as they are!!!!
Do not raise taxes, let the "Good Ole Boy" growers do their thing...STOP and let THE ACROSS THE BORDER INFLUX OF ILLEGAL POT DIE......the prices will regulate themselves thru the shops and growers and the states and the feds will get their due....(make the tax rate easy and nobody has to hide (in the shops) what they pay and what they reap......

Damn, MoJo is still illegal!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Get caught, go to jail, do not pass go......

$40 to $75 for 12 grams is stupid......What the Hell are people thinking.......

Been growing my own for over 50 years......some good some not so good........Doesn't matter to me.......my AI will put you down.
 
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DryNobBob

you really thought they'd stand by and do nothing, thats the one thing everyone that wants it legalized hollars, tax and make money off it, hemp and non hemp both, lmfao, you'll see............well, we see alright, lol.

And per the black market flourishing, ever wonder why Oregon didn' pass their bill? hehe, think bout it. Didn't a lot of bean makers relocate to that state also? hehe, think bout it.
 

whiteberrieS

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50% excise tax on the first sale lol. I'll pay that if they start taxing everyone that makes over $1M a year at 50 percent, or more. Like the good old days when Eisenhower was president and all the fat cats got taxed at 90%. Now they pay 10% instead of 90%, they're rich as hell but the country's going bankrupt. Stupidity.
 

OLDproLg

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Hahahaha!!!

i knew MONEY talks an BULL walks...!!
The day is comming since MONEY TALKS hahaha!@them.
About like liquor...im not shure it would be good.
Unless they let people grow a few plants like they let Home Brew stores run?
Still how to tax the little guy?
Going to every home will never happen who grows...just like the beer/vine thing!!
Hopefully?

Any step forward is getting better id say!!
 

xmobotx

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50% tax is insane and why are they picking on the producer? ffs; i already read that WA producers/processors/retailers would get no deductions on income tax the way it is and they want to make it worse than that?

it sounds like an opportunity but if actions like these continue; the only one making anything off this will be the gov
 

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