Fade in organic

[bushed]

On my third run with organic, my chickens make the soil, I figured it was working for my veges. Very happy with the results better than I managed in 10 years with coco and alot less work.

Anyway, my leaf's have been completely green when finishing up, is this something organic grower's care about? There's no sign of nutrient burn and the taste is very clean compared to my previous Coco grows. I water about once a fortnight with organic plant food, but plain water after week 6 of 10.

Any thoughts or opinions on this?

 

[mexweed]

10 week regimen sounds like you are growing all the same strain? some strains hold their green while others will fade

 

[bushed]

Thanks mexweed I grow 3 different Sativa leaning hybrids, my schedule isn't strictly 10 weeks, just roughly, I don't really count just stop feeding when plant looks a month from finished.

 

[mexweed]

do they start looking any different at all? for me even if a plant holds its green relative to others that fade it will still have some visible changes

you give plain water at the end and get good smoke so I would say it's not a big deal, maybe try mixing a bit less chicken compost and water with a lighter dose of the nutrient for one of the plants to see if it makes a difference

 

[bushed]

Thanks mexweed, yes the plants do look a little less green just not any where as faded as when I grow in Coco. I will try giving weaker feed next time and see. I'm not too concerned as you say I'm pretty happy with my results. Just wondered if any experienced in door organic grower's had an opinion on this. Come to think of it soil grown out door often doesn't look to faded either.

 

[h.h.]

I’ve gone overboard with manures resulting in a overly green harsh product. Using what my chickens make, I get little fade, yet still a good product. Need to compost it more so the bulk of the nitrogen is released early on during the grow stage., especially if it’s mixed into the soil.

 

[bushed]

Yes h.h. the chicken poo is already mixed in. I use the chicken till method on my vege garden, I dump a shit tone of leaves, grass clippings and food scraps into the beds, the chickens transform it into soil remarkable quickly. I've then been harvesting that soil for my indoor garden, perhaps I should let the soil age longer? The soil also contains lots of earth worms, maybe this is contributing to high levels of fertility.

 

[TakenByTheSky]

My thought is too much residual nitrogen in the soil from all the chicken poop.

Maybe cut the amount of chicken poop in half as it's not needed for flowering. I'd rather suppliment with more rather than have too much in the soil i can't get rid of.

Outdoor is a different story because the season. Is so much longer, I door I don't think it's necessary to over saturate the soil with nutrients because in reality the growing and flowering season is so much shorter

 

[Von-forne]

Yes h.h. the chicken poo is already mixed in. I use the chicken till method on my vege garden, I dump a shit tone of leaves, grass clippings and food scraps into the beds, the chickens transform it into soil remarkable quickly. I've then been harvesting that soil for my indoor garden, perhaps I should let the soil age longer? The soil also contains lots of earth worms, maybe this is contributing to high levels of fertility.

If there are still worms in your chicken manure that it is not fully composted.

 

[bushed]

If there are still worms in your chicken manure that it is not fully composted.

Not red wigglers, big juicy earth worms my bass soil is volcanic and has an extreme amount of earth worms. Perhaps I shouldn't be adding them to my pots.

 

[h.h.]

Yes h.h. the chicken poo is already mixed in. I use the chicken till method on my vege garden, I dump a shit tone of leaves, grass clippings and food scraps into the beds, the chickens transform it into soil remarkable quickly. I've then been harvesting that soil for my indoor garden, perhaps I should let the soil age longer? The soil also contains lots of earth worms, maybe this is contributing to high levels of fertility.

Not a lot of available nitrogen until the manure starts to break down. Fewer microbes working on it when it’s mixed deep into the soil. It’ll peak during flower. Not necessarily bad, it can be a good thing, but a little goes a long ways.

Better to top dress where it will break down faster, compost it, or ferment it using a little chicken scratch. I kind of do a combination of everything.

Or just don’t worry about it. If your smokes good, you’re not going too far overboard. Plants may be a little leafier then need be, but that doesn’t really matter, not unless you’re trying to max out your yield. Something I don’t worry about. If I want more. I plant more.

 

[40degsouth]

Hi everyone l hope you’re all well.
I hear a lot about chicken manure but nothing about seed meals.
Seed meals, such as canola, have more nitrogen than chicken manure, by volume and breaks down rapidly in soil giving up plant available nitrogen when added directly, i.e. without composting.
I like to use them in conjunction with chicken manure because as the seed meals are finishing the chicken manure is becoming available. Chicken manure has a high calcium content.
Another trick l use is to mix the meals into the soil a week or two before l plant out clones. This, along with a strong dose of fish emulsion and blood and bone, pushes the plants past flowering issues.
Maybe for an indoor “microbe activated” soil, this could be a good option once you work out grain size and dose. Perhaps you could blitz it and water it on.
Cheers,
40.

 

[bushed]

Im going to try cutting my very fertile soil with more bass soil and see if this makes a difference, Ile have a look into seed meal, I already grow canola flowers for cooking oil.

 

[40degsouth]

From memory every 6.5% of seed meal protein translates into 1% of nitrogen. Canola meal’s about 45%.

 

[h.h.]

N x 6.25 (1/0.16 = 6.25) to convert nitrogen content into protein content.

Protein/6.25 = nitrogen

I think the factor varies depending on the product being analyzed. It gives a pretty close guess though.

Fermenting decreases co2 resulting in higher n%. More available n from the get go. Unfermented is more time release. Using a combination of both you can ride the waves.

 

[40degsouth]

Great info h.h.
Cheers,
40