EZ-CLONE problems....

[TrustNoOne]

stealthsniper, whats up there buddy.
i posted lots on you aeroponic cloner thread under an old name.
i built one at the same time you did and feel the same way as you do about it. pure perfection man.

i clean the tub and parts with bleach(soaking as i type). i dimantle the manifold and fill with 10-12 gal's of water/bleach and throw pucks, pump and manild pieces in and let soak before scrubbing and rinsing all parts.
temps of 80 have never given me any probs at all and are probably better than 70-75.
i'm using tap water with nuttin else and have yet to lose a cut and it's been running non-stop since january. the only sanitizer better than chlorine is ozone, lol, but thats a whole nuther argument, heheh.
i've found that after 8 days and no roots it's better to pull the cut and pot it (i'm in soil) and it will usually root out and grow in the dirt although slower. between 5 and 7 days is avg for my cuts. mines a big tub and holds 12-15 gal's which the pump running 24,7 has a hard time heating the water over 80 as long as the room stays under 80. you can try frozen jugs as a last resort but temps over 80 would'nt worry me for 5 days.
when water is bad it does have a pretty funky smell to itso that would be my first indicator of a problem, i would also keep an eye on the misters to be sure that each one is sprayin in the pattern that they should, it takes tiny pieces-o-shit to clog em up.
aerocloners are shit if you're lookin for speed and healthy viable clones. i friend and myself share genetics and he uses rock wool for cuts and i use the aerocloner. my plants at 4 weeks are 2 and 3 times the size of his and that is no bullshit.
keep it clean with bleach and more bleach IMO+E.

 

[Guest]

Amen GorillaGrower.....just didn't want you to think I was putting down the machine. :friends:

 

[cropmanagement]

yeah i owe it all to you guerilla grower Thanks a lot!

 

[darthvapor]

for those that use nutes in your ez-clone whats your e.c or ppm

 

[cropmanagement]

nutes in the ez cloner?

 

[TexasSaint]

Questions

Questions

O Great and mighty EZ masters I have a few questions.

1) I live in a hot dry area with about 20% humidity. The problem I have is that with my current space, I can either closet my EZ clone and have gaurenteed heat issues but add humidity or I can just set my EZ clone in a spare room and not worry about the ambient humidity. What do you suggest.

2) What are your ideas on adding Hydrogen Peroxide to the reserviour while cloning. Would it aid in getting extra O2 to the root zone?

3) I notice this thing doesn't have a dome. Is that Ok? I was under the impression that controlling humidity was a must.

4) Once I have these little gals rooted and transplant them into soil, How do I handle the transplant? Do I just make a hole and push the roots down vertically, or do I need to spread them out?

 

[Guest]

1, 3: Yes you need it a little more humid, until they are acclimated, mist them and run the pump 24/7. Watch the rez temp - 76-78 is optimal. A dome should not be necessary.

2: Try Hydroguard instead of H202 or SM90. I swear by Hydroguard and use it religiously now.

4. Hold them in place and put the medium around them gently. Soak them into their new homes. They are use to an aqueous environment, it will take a day or two for them to adjust, but then they will take off!

 

[richyrich]

ok, folks... i'm bringing this one back

I've been rooting with cubes and a dome with no problems. Today I felt like playing with my EZ Cloner. It's a 30 site. If you seen my previous posts in this thread I had problems before. I've had every size made and even had a chiller hooked up to a 120 before.

Today I cleaned it all up and cleaned it out several times with my favorite killer Physan 20. It's clean because the consensus here was dirty cloners. I concede, I did not clean my pump good enough in the past, so I am gonna see what happens this time.

The problem I was complaining about was ambient room temps.. Say when the room you have the EZ in is already 78F, with that pump on you get an increase usually of 4+ to 82F. I don't like my temps that high even if it does not cause problems. I just won't chance it.

So, this is what I did. I was reading about people putting timers on the pump for 15on/15off. I have a recycle timer that I can set the on and off time to anything I want. I set it on for 3 minutes and I have it off for 15 minutes. So, far I like what I am seeing. I have a digital thermometer in the EZ and it is at 77.4F. That is my ambient room temp.. No heat problems and the cuts are doing fine. The temp has not even risen.

I will report back with results soon. The strain I have roots in cubes in 6 days. I wonder if I can get it to pop at 4 or 5 days in the EZ. I am just using tap water non pH adjusted. I added a little bit of Clonex to the rez.. Let's see what happens.

Recycle timers might be the answer to the heat issues.

 

[gatoloco]

Hi.
texas saint, you dont have control the humid, isnt the problem. at 27% or 90% rooting. Your ezcloner Shot deeps to the cuts??? this is stress for the plants i was this problem, may be you have the same problem if you have ok all... i grow better i speak english xD

 

[richyrich]

Hey guys I am not a hydro person at all. But came across this thread and after reading it, I cannot believe how difficult some of you guys are making cloning. I have 95-100% success using nothing more than humidity domes, peat pellets, and a spray bottle. No gel or anything. I cut, dip in fresh water, into peat pellet under dome. I just got 21/21 bubba kushes to root in less than 7 days. Why the big fancy machines and complicated procedures? Just my .02 and nobody prolly wanted to hear it. peace, jiggy.

You can speak your mind anytime. I too have success with just cubes a tray and a dome. I have a lot of equipment stored away and just felt like playing with my EZ Cloner. I seen it last night and I said screw this thing, I am going to make it work. Going good so far. The only thing I will say is that an EZ Cloner is for real "set it and forget it." Trays and a dome still take some looking after. Not much, but I get lazier all the time. I work towards trying to make things easier. Less work and stress.

 

[Pipedream]

richy - Best of luck with you new attempt. I'm going to pull up a chair and keep an eye on it, so keep us posted.

 

[chosen]

Hey, where is FastPine? What method worked out for Fast? Hope all has gone well with the cuts...

 

[Youareborg]

Richy, any updates?

 

[richyrich]

I have not had one cut pop a root yet. I would of had most of them popped already with just cubes and a dome.

All of the cuts are in good shape and none have mushed up and died like before. When using the cycle timer I had it on for 3 minutes and off for 15 minutes. The water temp did not change at all. There was no increase which was always my problem before. So, the cycle timer works for controlling temps but I don't know if it slowed rooting time. Today is day 10 in the EZ with no roots. Two days ago I put the pump on 24/7. The temps are under control because the EZ is a mildly cold room over here. Ambient room temp is 70F and the EZ is at a perfect 75-77F. I'm kinda stumped on this one. Nothing has died but they will not root. Everything is ideal. There is a 17watt t5 bulb one foot above the EZ. Let's see what happens in the next couple of days. I should of had roots at 5-7 days with my bubba cuts. That is when they root in the cubes.

 

[cabanetforester]

I sometimes run a timer on mine. It has slowed the rooting process IME, but does keep temps down.

Mine works great when it works.. Big difference between some strains when cloning. The more vigor a strain has the faster they root IME.

EZ has always rooted a given strain faster than my bubble cloner. I have a heat mat with thermostat and tray with dome. I'm going to try that next using rapid rooters.

Ez can work very well when it's dialed in. I'm hoping the tray/dome/heatmat is the easiest and most reliable at this point. CF

 

[richyrich]

The first time I bought an EZ it lived up to everything as advertised. Amazing clones and rooting times. Then I started to have problems after a few uses. I will have to say that was from not taking the pump apart and cleaning the inside now that I look back, most likely. But I can say when I did have those problems I bought new EZs and I had the same problems right out of the box. I have owned several 30 and 60 sites and one 120 site. The problems happened in the hot part of the year when ambient room temps were in the upper 70s F. So, with the pump on 24/7 the EZ temps went into the 80s F. Heat IMO is still a big factor with these because new out of the box in these temps gave me failure. I had 99% success in the first 4 runs with the EZ but I believe that was in the cooler part of the year. When summer came so did the problems.

I did clean the EZ real good this run and nothing has died. It is winter and the temps are in control. So I can't definitely rule one thing out or the other yet. I really can't attribute anything to the cleaning because I also have good temps. And vice versa.

 

[richyrich]

I sometimes run a timer on mine. It has slowed the rooting process IME, but does keep temps down.

Mine works great when it works.. Big difference between some strains when cloning. The more vigor a strain has the faster they root IME.

EZ has always rooted a given strain faster than my bubble cloner. I have a heat mat with thermostat and tray with dome. I'm going to try that next using rapid rooters.

Ez can work very well when it's dialed in. I'm hoping the tray/dome/heatmat is the easiest and most reliable at this point. CF

The heat mat and thermostat are the magic part of this combo. This is the most reliable way to clone for me, but there is still the baby sitting factor for me. I leave the dome on the entire time because the media will dry out to fast. So, everyday you have to take the dome off and let air circulate through. If you use rapid rooters I found that they dry out super quick. Rockwool cubes dry out slower. You always have to keep an eye on the moisture of the media. Baby sitting.

You can not set it and forget with a dome, tray and heat mat. They take a lot of baby sitting. That is why the EZ is/was so appealing. But, for me if I want certain reliability then its the dome, tray and heat mat.

 

[cabanetforester]

You can not set it and forget with a dome, tray and heat mat. They take a lot of baby sitting. That is why the EZ is/was so appealing. But, for me if I want certain reliability then its the dome, tray and heat mat.

I'm thinking about putting some flood/drain fittings on my tray/dome setup.

Also doing some other experiments with the EZ using rapid rooters. I could end up running my EZ pump on the timer with the EZ sitting on the heat mat and the thermostat stuck in a RR. If I can keep the RR's moist with the occasional shot from the mister and keep the RR's at 75-78 it might be worth trying.

Just playing around with the idea atm.
2 Rapid Rooters in those 2 fittings.
1 cut was transplanted and the RR placed deeper in the fitting. The other was cut and placed directly in the RR which sits higher in the fitting. CF

 

[richyrich]

Today was day 14 in the EZ and I stopped the trial run. No roots on any. The upside is none of the cuts turned into mush which was my problem before. On the downside nothing rooted. For the first 8 days I had the EZ on a cycle timer. I am pretty sure a timer slows down the rooting process.

I stuck all my cuts in rw cubes today. My kush roots in 5-7 days always in rw cubes. In the EZ at day 14 nothing. Back on the shelf it goes to collect dust again. I will stick to what I know works. IME the EZ is more trouble than what it is worth. The first time I used it was great and then it went to pot. Oh well.

 

[stoney419]

i had prblems with mine at first and then started using clonex soultion in it with some hydrozym but i was spraying everyday when i would spray rapid rooters when i quit and they started rooting a lot faster every 30 days i clean with4 cups of bleach
stoney