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EZ-CLONE problems....
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cropmanagement
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k cleaned mine with bleach, took a while, and almost died from the fumes...lol....
I played with those EZ cloners so much, I gave up. One time I bleached the hell out of my 60, bought all new pucks and bought a smaller mag pump. THe size for the 30, I think its a 500gph. RO water and clonex always. Still got the mush and all died. I had a digital thermometer in it and it sat at 78 degrees. The ambient room temp was 74. That is when I gave up. In my experience, anything over 74 and it goes to crap.
I have tried this one other cloner. The gro clone, it circulated water by a pump in a small tray with pucks. That thing in the same place could get up to 90 degrees and the clones would thrive. Strange.........
I dont clone very many now, so I just use the cubes these days.
On cleaning the inside of pumps. Very important, in all systems. Most people dont do this and you would be surprised what builds up in there.
I have tried this one other cloner. The gro clone, it circulated water by a pump in a small tray with pucks. That thing in the same place could get up to 90 degrees and the clones would thrive. Strange.........
I dont clone very many now, so I just use the cubes these days.
On cleaning the inside of pumps. Very important, in all systems. Most people dont do this and you would be surprised what builds up in there.
KUSHEATER1
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bubble cloner with tap water has always worked for me.
G
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i clean mine with water...
StealthSniper
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Fast_Pine
Cleaning your cloner is absolutely the critical factor. Gorilla is correct in what he's saying about using bleach, however I don't. I really don't like what bleach does after the fact, but does it work, absolutely, and I think in your case this is exactly what you need to do. Bleach the hell out of everything, run it through a couple cycles with fresh water and bleach, then rinse rinse rinse. Run H2o2 through a couple times for several hours each, then fresh water times.
Cut 45 angle. Scar the base. Keep at least one node below puck. Dip in a rooting gel of sorts after your cuts. Your temps around 78-80 are fine, and in the beginning are ideal for root development. Your lights are fine. Use plain tap water ph'd. Don't add a bunch of crap to your water. Your pump running 24/7 is fine. Add a bubbler to your water.
Your cloner is fine, it's just full of pathogens that are not conducive to healthy plants.
This is how I clone, and it works very well...
Cleaning your cloner is absolutely the critical factor. Gorilla is correct in what he's saying about using bleach, however I don't. I really don't like what bleach does after the fact, but does it work, absolutely, and I think in your case this is exactly what you need to do. Bleach the hell out of everything, run it through a couple cycles with fresh water and bleach, then rinse rinse rinse. Run H2o2 through a couple times for several hours each, then fresh water times.
Cut 45 angle. Scar the base. Keep at least one node below puck. Dip in a rooting gel of sorts after your cuts. Your temps around 78-80 are fine, and in the beginning are ideal for root development. Your lights are fine. Use plain tap water ph'd. Don't add a bunch of crap to your water. Your pump running 24/7 is fine. Add a bubbler to your water.
Your cloner is fine, it's just full of pathogens that are not conducive to healthy plants.
This is how I clone, and it works very well...
GorillaGrower
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Stoned2Death said:Read my post a little more clearly next time. I am not giving advice on the cloner. I'm giving advice that is far simpler and far cheaper that works flawlessly. For your information h202 will clean the thing just as well without leaving any residue like bleach can regardless what the label says. H202 has LONG since been used as a SAFE cleaner for hydro systems. Nobody is saying us h202 in the water?
I also said plain RO water, or did you miss that part too? Even tap water will root clones without gels in a bubbler. This isn't breaking news...
As for the compact flouro, what's wrong with it? Just one small cfl putting off very little light. Clones don't need much light at all...just enough to root. Too much light and the plant will attempt to grow shoots instead of roots.
If you don't understand the advice you're reading, or the context in which you are reading it, don't respond. The internet has enough people trolling just to talk smack. It seems you're just trying to pound your chest in defense of this over priced toy.
I was simply trying to offer some alternative advice that hadn't been stated yet. If that bothers you, I apologize. I wasn't trying to ruffle your feathers.
The problem is people get sucked into buying over priced gadgets and expect it to do all the work. The environment and conditions still have to be under control...and for about 100X less they can still produce as many clones as they like quite rapidly. Why anyone wouldn't want to do that is beyond me.
I read your post... I dont think your reading mine.
listen this isn't about ME getting mad about this... its just that.. people are hating an investment and it seems dumb.. if they would just read the directions it would be fine.
You and everyone else is saying its better to use h202.. I say NO that's wrong.. otherwise wouldn't the company say to use that instead?
Everyone is saying its high temps that are killing their clones... I say No that's part of the problem. Cleaning the EZ per directions is the problem. If the manifold isn't perfectly clean higher temps WILL promote the already extra crap in the manifold that wasn't cleaned. I can't explain it any better. there are some that have a cold room to use.. they can get away with a lesser cleaning agent(h202). there are some that run in a hot room ,, excess shit bacteria build up.. the pump doesn't get clean then.. when they do there 4 or 5 run.. bingo they have a breeding ground in there manifold pump.. as soon as its got warm water on it.. its gonna breed bacteria. I can't explain it any better.
You told him to change from a florescent bulb to a compact florescent.. I was saying .. he already has the Perfect (per directions) lighting configuration.. there is no need to change it. I'm sorry for giving you a hard time... can just see your telling him something that is wrong per directions.. if anything he needs his florescents closer to the tops.
And to everyone out there who keeps saying h202 is perfect and yada yada. Its working for your situation... and theres a reason for it.
I dont think any of us need to be chemists to understand that bleach WILL clean and KILL everything.. that's why its used on clothes in hospitals and everywhere... that's why you clean rooms to disinfect them with it.
I could give you a hundred examples but.. heres a simple one.. put a cup full of bleach on a shirt.. put a cup full of h202 on a shirt... well which on e do you think just raped the shirt and which one just cleaned it. Bleach is very powerful.. caustic .. but if left to the air for 24 hrs will dissipate without a prob.
there should be a Faqs mythbusters thread started for the EZ.. I think its got to be very frustrating to members who have paid for something but didn't think it delivered.
GorillaGrower
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http://www.growthtechnology.com/downloads/EZ_Clone_Instructions_V1.pdf
you too can be as stoked and happy as this guy!! http://www.growthtechnology.com/prop-ezclone.asp
you too can be as stoked and happy as this guy!! http://www.growthtechnology.com/prop-ezclone.asp
StealthSniper
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Thanks man, pretty simple to build, and I will NEVER clone in soil again....ok, never say never!XGovernor said:
AlterEcho
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Following these guidelines has always netted me good clones.
After every run I clean the pump and entire container (including pucks) in my sink. I then run a light bleach solution (for 24 hrs)through the unit. The EZ-Clone has to be treated as a surgically clean unit. If not, then pathogens will run amok within the unit.
I then prepare my cuts and drop them in. My res temps never go above 75F and generally stay at 70F.
After every run I clean the pump and entire container (including pucks) in my sink. I then run a light bleach solution (for 24 hrs)through the unit. The EZ-Clone has to be treated as a surgically clean unit. If not, then pathogens will run amok within the unit.
I then prepare my cuts and drop them in. My res temps never go above 75F and generally stay at 70F.
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GorillaGrower said:
Nope...I understood you perfectly. The EZ cloner IS in fact all fine and dandy if you are cool with blowing a bunch of money just for the heck of it.
I am simply making the point that the same results can be achieved for $15 tops.
It's your choice what you use for "your situation".....to each his own.
GorillaGrower
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I think everyone knows that the same results cannot be had for 15$ sure the ezclone is priced very high.. but the air pump it uses costs about 15 $ . I am well aware of the fact that perlite and vermiculite in cups works well. But there is no way your going to prove that an airstone and tub works as well as an aeroponic cloner. Like I said we can have a race.. but an airstone and tub, RW or any other method will not get starts as fast and strong as a well built, cleaned and prepped ez or replica-diy. If you don't need/expect the best.. well that's fine.. not everyone does.
your trying to change the subject.. I'm not hear to say that everyone should go buy an EZ,(but it would be a good idea). I came to this thread to stop people from bad mouthing something they never bothered to follow the directions too. It's only a waste of money if its sitting in your basement unused.
your trying to change the subject.. I'm not hear to say that everyone should go buy an EZ,(but it would be a good idea). I came to this thread to stop people from bad mouthing something they never bothered to follow the directions too. It's only a waste of money if its sitting in your basement unused.
cropmanagement
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K cleaning worked, roots today!!
G
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$15 bucks will build a bubbler that will perform just as well, and that's a fact and can do just as many clones with obviously half the headache. Bubble cloners produce roots in 5-10 days.
What's to race for? The only reason I said anything is EASE of method and LOW cost. I'll even say it again, your ez cloner is fine and dandy if you're willing to spend that kind of money.
I never bad mouthed your beloved ez cloner either. You didn't come here to stop badmouthing, you came to pound your chest about the ez cloner. I just offered a much cheaper solution. You're the one that came in here with their panties in a knot. I'd be mad if I spent that much money too...
Here's the problem with things like this. Newbies see it and assume that it's the holy grail when it's not much more than a rubbermaid tub with some fittings and a pump. They get conned into spending tons of money on goofy contraptions they can make themselves for much less, and end up with headaches like this fella did too.
That's why I offered an alternative. To be helpful. I didn't enter this thread to put something down or boost myself up, unlike some people obviously.
cropmanagement - Glad to see you got it working. Now get that thing kicking out clones so you can get some RETURN on your investment!
What's to race for? The only reason I said anything is EASE of method and LOW cost. I'll even say it again, your ez cloner is fine and dandy if you're willing to spend that kind of money.
I never bad mouthed your beloved ez cloner either. You didn't come here to stop badmouthing, you came to pound your chest about the ez cloner. I just offered a much cheaper solution. You're the one that came in here with their panties in a knot. I'd be mad if I spent that much money too...
Here's the problem with things like this. Newbies see it and assume that it's the holy grail when it's not much more than a rubbermaid tub with some fittings and a pump. They get conned into spending tons of money on goofy contraptions they can make themselves for much less, and end up with headaches like this fella did too.
That's why I offered an alternative. To be helpful. I didn't enter this thread to put something down or boost myself up, unlike some people obviously.
cropmanagement - Glad to see you got it working. Now get that thing kicking out clones so you can get some RETURN on your investment!
darthvapor
Active member
Ive tried to clone in the rockwool method and i guess I just suck. So I just got a ez cloner 120. I cleaned it with bleach and filled it up with bleach water and ran it for 40 min. I then rinsed the whole thing and ran it again with just plain water for 20 min. should I do anything else. Should I dissasemble the pump to clean it completely? I plan on using olivials liquid cloning solution and hydroguard. how much water in gall should I fill the thing with?
The more water you have in it, both the cooler it will run and the more stable the PH level will be. Also, the higher the water level is, the easier it is for your pump to generate maximum pressure and better atomize the water into a fine mist. All that being said, I'd fill it up untill the water is right up to the bottom or middle of the manifold.
GorillaGrower
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cropmanagement.. and everyone else.. great!! glad to see roots!! woo hoo!! just keep it clean everytime and you'll be good to go.
stoned2death .. I'm not going to come back and say your wrong.. because in a way your right(not everyone should just throw money around).. we just have to different views on it. I am positive a bubble cloner doesn't work as well as a aeroponic cloner... i've seen/made a bunch and they work but not exactly the same(read not as good). I thought you meant that you could build a aeroponic cloner for 15$ its not possible and that's what I was talking about.
The reason I asked anyone to race is simple.. this is a ez-clone problems thread and everyone that showed up.. had one thing to say.. "I owned one and didnt do it right.. now I think they suck" or "I never bought one.. but am going to say they dont work well without trying it". Everyone was giving input not relevant to fixing the problem..only saying I do it better a different way. So I offered to show everyone with a proper cleaning a aeroponic system will actually work better. Even though most people will just concede knowing it will work better.
I didn't show up to pound my chest.. although a gorilla grower tends to do it. I showed up to stop so many people from stating straight BS about the EZclone. It works and its only operator error. (read it is the holy grail.. it just needs someone to read the manual)
Notice that someone has already said CLEANING the EZ is what worked. Others agree ,, now hopefully people will continue to read this thread and will try bleach and clonex to fix there problems
stoned2death .. I'm not going to come back and say your wrong.. because in a way your right(not everyone should just throw money around).. we just have to different views on it. I am positive a bubble cloner doesn't work as well as a aeroponic cloner... i've seen/made a bunch and they work but not exactly the same(read not as good). I thought you meant that you could build a aeroponic cloner for 15$ its not possible and that's what I was talking about.
The reason I asked anyone to race is simple.. this is a ez-clone problems thread and everyone that showed up.. had one thing to say.. "I owned one and didnt do it right.. now I think they suck" or "I never bought one.. but am going to say they dont work well without trying it". Everyone was giving input not relevant to fixing the problem..only saying I do it better a different way. So I offered to show everyone with a proper cleaning a aeroponic system will actually work better. Even though most people will just concede knowing it will work better.
I didn't show up to pound my chest.. although a gorilla grower tends to do it. I showed up to stop so many people from stating straight BS about the EZclone. It works and its only operator error. (read it is the holy grail.. it just needs someone to read the manual)
Notice that someone has already said CLEANING the EZ is what worked. Others agree ,, now hopefully people will continue to read this thread and will try bleach and clonex to fix there problems
GorillaGrower
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darthvapor said:
darthvapor.... just like pipedreams said.. right up to the manifold. Just like in the directions.
