EZ-CLONE problems....

[SmokeyPufmaster]

Your water temps are too hot. 70-72 is best. Your ez-cloner needs a smaller pump. Don't scar the stems. Here's a thread that I started about the subject. It starts off slow but the info is invaluable.

http://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=38560

 

[Fast_Pine]

Damn....GREAT info...I couldnt read the whole thing, I will though. I cant get a chiller very soon. I haveto put them in soil..Will the partially mushy clones root?..Should I recut em?

 

[chosen]

I like perlite or a 70% perlite/ 30% vermiculite mix. I use a clear container or bucket. It's simple. Mix it up moisten it. I like using dip'n'gro but have since switched to good old Homedepot Rootone this time. I fill a 4" container with the perlite/vermiculite mix. Moisten. Take my cut dip it in water and put it in powder. pre poke a hole insert. Do the same thing until you are done. Don't use a dome. water until you have a 1/2-1" of standing water in the bottom of the container. I spray them with neem oil afterwards as well. As long as I make sure that there is standing water in the bottom everything is fine. I get roots in 6-10 days usually. Here is a pic. They are usually done around 75-83 degrees and around 45-50% humidity.

 

[pico]

I am done with the EZ cloner. I have the 120 unit and have stopped using it. Too difficult to get right, time consuming to clean, takes more time to transplant with bare roots...

I now have the LMC wholesale Pro Series 1 propagater. Uses oasis cubes and works like a charm. Same price as ez cloner and about the same size. holds 416 cuts.

 

[richyrich]

Heres the thing with the damned EZ cloner, I have owned every size already. Everything you all have talked about and more I have done in the past. And now I have gone back to a heat mat, 1.5 cubes and a tray and dome; no problems. The machines are more trouble than they are worth, for some. Its always the heat and it depends on your ambient temperatures to begin with. I figure we all live in different places. Some live in warm places and some in colder places. I bet the ones living in colder places have no problems. In any building for me, ambient is always in the 70's to begin with. The cloner easily gets into the high 70's and 80's. To warm, so the numerous problems. One time I even hooked up a chiller to an EZ 120 and still had problems; but, I think that is because I didn't clean it good enough. I have only seen it work good during winter out in a cold garage.

EZ Cloner, thumbs down.

 

[chosen]

That's sad for how much $ those EZ Cloners cost. Nice info Richy

 

[Fast_Pine]

I think im done with the EZ aswell. Paying $450 for a clone oven isnt very practical...

There all in soil. I can already tell im gonna loose about a third of the whole batch...

Wish them luck in there new homes....

Thank you for all yer help hydro guys!!!
Lets hope that its a good summer.

 

[MID TOWN]

Yea it's definately your temps, I've had the same problem and bringing down the temps is what fixed it.

 

[GorillaGrower]

Ok.. my two cents..

1.Make sure your cleaning your EZ clone with Bleach ! just like the directions say.. you might be doing it right.. but most people that have problems with the ez are not cleaning with bleach.. You guys using peroxide and alternatives.. they work but to a point. If you use bleach you won't have problems.. another thing.. are you guys running the pump/sprayer with bleach in it after every run?.. Just run the amount for your EZ 1,2,3 cups depending on size of bleach with the water.. then dump.. fill with water run for another 20 min.. dump.. fill with water run for 20 dump. Now your ready to go. 3 cycles and you will guarantee not lose a cutting..

2.Using RO water is not needed at all !! RO water wont have the trace elements in it for the roots and plant to survive. Using RO is fine if your using clonex or similar.

3. Temp helps to be lower.. but its not your problem exactly.. The Ez will work at even a higher temp 90 degrees for a few days wont ruin everyones day. Of course a 65 degree room is best.. but it will actually take longer to root in the cool room. I think a clean start with the cloner everytime is crucial.

4. USE clonex not the gel.. but the actual bottle stuff. It has nutrients and as far as I know the same chemical used for rooting. It will work everytime for you guaranteed.


You can go ahead and "try" other things.. but in the end.. you paid money for a bling bling cloner.. you might as well use it exactly as intended.. otherwise your not getting your moneys worth and your going to have mushies.

I hope that helps.

 

[GorillaGrower]

You guys are totally wrong on the EZ.. the whole point of it.. is that you don't have to worry about the humidy or anything in the room.. having 80+ will be absoluetly fine in the ez.. but only if its clean. If it's not clean then your pump WILL be a breeding ground. You don't need hydroguard or anything like that.. just clonex and a good cleaning.

In fact I can tell no one cleans it right because they never bitch at how long it takes to clean!!


HOLLLYYY shit this thread is full of bullshit.. sorry.. but I got to say it. ABSOLUTely scar the stem.. up and down lightly with a razor. Then split it down the middle so it splays open about 1/3 in-1/2 in. BOTH work so amazing you wont believe your eyes!!! ESpecially at the same time.

HIGH temps are bad.. but you easily will beat how long it will take to get a colony of shit started in there compared to how fast you will have freshy clones.. its all cleanliness. IF your not happy with your EZclone read the directions.

I think everyone that doesn't like there ezclone needs to look at the facts.. everyone that doesn't like it says the same thing."it worked great for a couple runs then I just started losing em left and right nothing seems to work".. Its because your cleaning the EZ but your not using a full bleach run to clean the pump filter and the sprayers. Dude I figure this out before I ever bought one... just listen to all the forums on hating ez clones..


One more final tip... it seems small but.. honestly I would never of thought of it if I didn't see it in a thread. You can put more than one to a collar ... in fact 3 not a prob.. The big thing with the EZ is timing. the roots grow like crazy so catching em before they grow into each other is important.

remember bleach clonex and just believe and it will work.

the only thing RW is good for is clones from a club

 

[stoney419]

thanks for the info just bought one on ebay for 350.00 from hydro 101

 

[GorillaGrower]

Make sure to pick this up also http://www.bghydro.com/BGH/itemdesc.asp?ic=NERCXS32&eq=&Tp=&ErrURL=Redir

it works very well .. if you just google clonex solution.. you will find references to the ezclone. clonex has been around for years.. its not new.. it will work great!

I think the problem everyone is facing.. is when you put hydroguard in or the like.. your depending on beneficial bacteria(right?) but with clonex.. your solution in the ez res is actually filled with rooting chemicals.. I'm not a wiz but I'm pretty sure its acid that makes life difficult for the shit bacteria. Thats what the rooting hormone gel everyone uses does primarily. Clonex is keeping the bad stuff to a minimum even in high temps... then it needs a thorough cleaning.

I've never heard anyone say they almost died from inhaling bleach solution vapors!! That means no one is adding hot water and bleach for the cleaning run! to make life easy.. take plastic wrap.. run it over the top a couple times.. it will keep the pucks down, and keep any vapor from the hot water to a minimum. Then keep a bathroom fan on to vent the room.

It seems like a unusual amount of work and it seems crazy to jump through all the hoops.. but in the end.. its a system that WORKS beyond belief.. where nothing can match it. and if you get the timing.. will cut time off of every project. Just remember you might be spending more time cleaning.. but in the end.. Your cuts will be so healthy its scary, Taking the cuttings part is the quickest if you take hundreds.. you could do it in a hour.. maybe hour an a half, Then the best part is.. leave dont even look at it for 7 days... come back and your guaranteed it will be the best everytime. no humidy domes.. no heat mats.. no dipping in gel.. no waiting .. no worries... that's why its the EZ

If there was any tool that a beginer could buy.. I would suggest a small ez ... It would guarantee any cut found.. any seed bought,, would never be lost.. and a learning curve that takes 10 minutes.. instead of months if you happen to be very lucky and good at directions at your first cloning attempts.. If you were a beginner would you trust your $100 investment in seeds and all your effort.. just to lose a specimen.. because your cloning in perlite. Many people do and that's the reason not as many grow.. cloning is the biggest problem for new growers. anyone can start the seed.. but after the first harvest.. a very small percentage will have strong healthy cuts they made themselves to go in again. I would say 50+% of the time first timers never come back to it again.. or only rely on vets for cuts because they got frustrated with cloning.

 

[Guest]

the failure probs are with the operator, not the machine.

I've run my ez 60 for 2 years and have only lost a few cuts to stem mush during one run when temps got just above 80f. all other times has been 100% every time.

I use tap water only, no cloning additives, nothing but tap water. I change the water once after 5 days and only then I ph adjust the fresh water. temps are always 75 and lower. once I remove the rooted clones I rinse the cloner with tap water, dump that, refil and add h202, run it for a few hours, dump it and put the thing on the shelf.

 

[Guest]

Why buy the machine when a rubbermaid tub with bubbling water will do just as good? Plain RO water, no additives. Slice stem at 45 and let bubble. Nothing else to it. No food, rooting gels, nothing. Plain water means no food for pathogens to slow the rooting process.

I noticed you said you have a shoplight above the plants. Try putting them under one very small cfl for a while, they may root quicker. If you're giving too much light they try to grow instead of root sometimes.

I have to disagree with using bleach to clean the system though. It leaves a slimy residue on anything you use it on. For cleaning the system use h202 and water only. Much more sanitary method of cleaning your food grade grow equipment....but that is just my opinion on that part.

 

[GorillaGrower]

A shop light is the perfect light to use on an ez clone or any cloning system.. cfl stands for Compact FLORescent. IF anything the cool white bulbs should be placed within 1-2 inches above the tops. In any cloning enviroment.

A rubbermaid tub does work.. as well as perlite, vermiculite, RW and anything else.. but it wont work as well as a EZ clone or a well built replica using an aeroponic spray I dont need to prove it too you.. its a fact.

And plain water does have some pathogens in it.. that's why using a clonex solution will help those that dont have optimum tap water.
Its not whether an Ez clone works.. its that it works better than anything else.. and if yours doesn't work.. follow the directions and use bleach w a cloning solution.

have you read the directions on a EZclone its says pretty clearly bleach.. not h202.. ... Stoned2death.. why are you giving advice on a ezclone do you/have you owned one? People are having difficulties with their machines... it seems that giving information on something you dont own/or didn't use right the first time.. would be a bad idea. Especially when those peoples problems might be that there using h202.

Maybe all the people that dont like there ezclones should call ezclone and tell them they should RE-engineer the thing because people are afraid of using bleach.

Or they could just suck it up.. buy some clonex.. and not have anything to complain about..

 

[GorillaGrower]

Maybe we should all have a friendly race.. first to root.. or first to have foot tap roots... either way nothing works as fast and with vigor as a well cleaned and preped EZ .. or well built replica. any takers?

 

[hogwild]

cleaned and prepped, IME its helpful, but not necessary. my home made ez cloner is outside in the dirt, covered in algae, and sometimes it even runs dry... i still have no problem rooting clones, even on plants that have nearly reached there senesence point.

 

[Fast_Pine]

One time I even hooked up a chiller to an EZ 120 and still had problems; but, I think that is because I didn't clean it good enough. I have only seen it work good during winter out in a cold garage.

EZ Cloner, thumbs down.

If richy had probs using a chiller, how is one to get the res temps down and keep them steady at, say 72-75degrees..

 

[GorillaGrower]

holy crap look at richyrich's post he says w/ a chiller he had problems.. but hten right after it he said he didn't clean it.
Fast_pine.. you can use a chiller but.. mine sits on a shelf with dust.. room is at maybe 75-80 degress. ez can get up to 90+ sometimes. Start with bleach, clonex..

Richyrich said he used a chiller and he still had problems... logic would say that the chiller isn't helping. If your not sure what a chiller is .. it lets you decide the exact temp. of the water. if it didn't work with that.. then it tells you temp isn't the ONLY variable to the situation.

 

[Guest]

Read my post a little more clearly next time. I am not giving advice on the cloner. I'm giving advice that is far simpler and far cheaper that works flawlessly. For your information h202 will clean the thing just as well without leaving any residue like bleach can regardless what the label says. H202 has LONG since been used as a SAFE cleaner for hydro systems. Nobody is saying us h202 in the water?

I also said plain RO water, or did you miss that part too? Even tap water will root clones without gels in a bubbler. This isn't breaking news...

As for the compact flouro, what's wrong with it? Just one small cfl putting off very little light. Clones don't need much light at all...just enough to root. Too much light and the plant will attempt to grow shoots instead of roots.

If you don't understand the advice you're reading, or the context in which you are reading it, don't respond. The internet has enough people trolling just to talk smack. It seems you're just trying to pound your chest in defense of this over priced toy.

I was simply trying to offer some alternative advice that hadn't been stated yet. If that bothers you, I apologize. I wasn't trying to ruffle your feathers.

The problem is people get sucked into buying over priced gadgets and expect it to do all the work. The environment and conditions still have to be under control...and for about 100X less they can still produce as many clones as they like quite rapidly. Why anyone wouldn't want to do that is beyond me.