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extreme downward spiral in mother room ..please help

generalgrievous

collector of lightsabers.. and fine cannabis genet
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there is 198 small mothers in this room.
they are being fed drain to waste with advanced nutrients.
they were cloned off outdoor plants.
the outdoor grow saw grasshoppers ..they were knocked down.
the outdoor grow saw russet mites ..they were knocked down
they were very happy until roughly 5 weeks ago. Oct 19.
some plant material from another grow was brought into the property. shortly after, the mother room started looking off.
the grow the incoming produce came from had russet mites.
they slowly began looking unhappy and recently have taken an ugly turn.
they have been treated with azamax and dr. bronners, wetting sulfur twice, and clean green.
they have had a root zone drench.
and the plants themselves have been entirely dunked.
nothing has helped, they are still getting uglier.
I wanted to assume russet or broad mites but it does not look like that kind of damage to me

I've encountered some infestations in my years growing but have never seen this kind of damage before.
It looks like a chomper/eater of some type to me. there is eggs under the leaves, but i'm convinced they are spider mite eggs. there is no living spider mites or mite damage.
there is no visible bugs of any type to the eye or the microscope.
There is currently some fungus gnats, but not a bad infestation.

this is a neighboring grow to mine and in this hood we grow as a family and work together to try and solve our collective problems.

if anyone has any thoughts or comments, or knows what this is please chime in and thank you in advance.

as always ..peace and trichs ..grievous
 

Mikell

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They look cold, overfed and overwatered. Too many high residue organic treatments will burn up a plant, I would look for a regime of conventional pesticides.

Nice to have support but your neighbourhood sounds like a swap meet for pests and pathogens. Applying control is futile if cultural practices (IPM - more than just a spray!) invite introduction.
 

HazyBulldog

Member
Everything shows broad mite or russet mite damage. Purple stems? Bugs sap P. You say you see eggs, but no bugs. Guess what, eggs only come from bugs. So you have bugs. Get a good 60-200x scope for those small bastards.

The other thing mites do is spread viruses. The Dud effect that goes around seems to be multiple viruses from what lab tests I have seen. Might be something similar to what you are experiencing. Lab tests are the only way to verify, and tissue culture is the only way to get rid of the viruses.

Good luck.
 

Weird

3rd-Eye Jedi
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Neem and sulfur mixed are toxic to plants

azamax is a need product

fwiw if your IPM can't fend off the worse it's not a proper IPM
 

BrainSellz

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I agree with Hazy on the broad mite or russet mite damage as that is what it looks like.

Last time I seen stems that purple was from the entire root system was being eaten by little white whatchamacallems. That was almost 10 years ago and I didn't look into it any further to figure out what it was. :-(

Your environment doesn't sound like a "fresh and clean" one.
 

mack 10

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Everything shows broad mite or russet mite damage. Purple stems? Bugs sap P. You say you see eggs, but no bugs. Guess what, eggs only come from bugs. So you have bugs. Get a good 60-200x scope for those small bastards.

The other thing mites do is spread viruses. The Dud effect that goes around seems to be multiple viruses from what lab tests I have seen. Might be something similar to what you are experiencing. Lab tests are the only way to verify, and tissue culture is the only way to get rid of the viruses.

Good luck.

Good post,
I think you just learned a few lessons, the hard way.
With nearly 200 mother plants you are looking at a world of pain
Unless you act quick.
Even then, your looking at a lot of work.

you let someone bring infected material into your grow?
And you previously had russets?
Russet mites and broads are the devil,
But to me it doesn't look like broads.

Good luck, try essential oils, they work well.
 

generalgrievous

collector of lightsabers.. and fine cannabis genet
ICMag Donor
I do appreciate your thoughts but perhaps you did not read my original post.
It's not my grow, it's a friend I'm trying to help. You are absolutelylely right about bringing in infected produce. Not something I would do.

I've not been by my buddy's property to check on things since the day I posted.
When I visit next I'm going to take my microscope and have a proper look see.

I'm currently spending allot of time in my mother room so I have to be very wary of my comings and goings.

I want to thank everybody very much for the input. It helps to have multiple opinions.

I was wrong about one thing. They're not being fed drain to waste. It's a flood of the entire table then that drains to waste. It would make sense if fusarium is part of the problem that everybody would have it being that the nutrient solution is shared. We located a bunch of pictures of fusarium infected plants that look very similar and he intends on treating the root zones with a peroxyacetic acid product that's legit to use.

We have to be careful how we treat, we are WA i502 and QA testing is strict. All my produce is for extraction. All my buddy's is green clean certified and intended for smoke.

Thank you all again for the thoughts and info. When I visit next I'll get some more pics to share.
 

AeroKush102

Active member
I bet he can't get clones to root. Some form of spider mite is doing great damage. That room will self destruct in T minus 5, 4, 3....
 

Loc Dog

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I have had russet mites which cause browning of leaves and look like over feeding, and just had broad mites. I would say at this point trying to salvage some cuts of important plants is the best you can do. PM me if you would like to discuss. I have just about everything to get rid of them. Once you think they are gone, you will need to keep treating for months to be safe, especially at the scale you are working with.

This is broad mite damage -



Mites are hard to see even with microscope. I found one on those mangy leaves in that photo. They inject poison into the plants, and ruin them.
 

generalgrievous

collector of lightsabers.. and fine cannabis genet
ICMag Donor
@bigblue72 ..ZeroTol2.0 it's peroxyacetic acid and hydrogen dioxide. It is on the i502 approved list.

it's confirmed. Broad mites. I've never had them and I don't intend to. gonna be very aware of comings and goings to keep my mother room safe.

thank you all for the comments and ideas...
 

Loc Dog

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What is your plan of action?? Bringing room to 120 F for an hour is supposed to be the best. Need to make sure everywhere gets that hot. Plants should be watered and misted first and afterwards. Cuttings can not take that temperature, which I found out the hard way.

You can also try Snype's method -

https://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=268311

Very basic, but needs to be followed exactly (or damn close). It has to be done many times because they lay eggs in leaves, which will not be killed, so have to get the young after they emerge.

They can also become resistant, so need to change up after awhile if not completely gone.

I have been researching them for over a month, if you want to PM me.
 

EastCoast710

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that many moms.. looks like you been slacking off.. once u see something taking a turn.. take cuts right away.. so u can keep shit around.
 

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