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Exploration of the Big O...Bodhi's Ae77 Cali O X's
- Thread starter billycw
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RulaTone- Bo#1 and the pictures I've seen of Crockett's cut do share a similar structure. Tangerine lines seem to be all over the place as far as I have read. Crockett's cut in particular has been said to be a couple different crosses. Dna and supposedly a book called "Heart of Dankness" by Mark Haskell Smith has previously said it was a 94-95 Tangerine Dream pheno found in a pack from the cup the same year. Hightimes in a article called "Sensi in the Sierra's" here http://www.hightimes.com/read/sensi-sierras-0 claims Crockett breed it down from a bunch of "Orange velvet" seeds then crossed to "Candy Jack" before narrowing it down farther...
I see lately from the new releases of "Crockett Family Farms" they have Tangie as "Cali O x skunk". I'm guessing this is the closest lineage being from Crockett's company? If so similarities would make sense being Appalachia has a good amount of early skunk #1 in there from the green crack side.
Miraculous Meds- BO#1 is at 30 days 12/12 in the pictures.
window- RCC's info on Cali O is the same I used to read all over the place in the 90's and 00's. I really believe the Cali O Sam brought to Dam is not the same line as Aeric77's cut came from. I'm sure they are both from Cali o at some point but I don't think Aeric77's cut originated from the same 85' run as the dutch pool.
I see lately from the new releases of "Crockett Family Farms" they have Tangie as "Cali O x skunk". I'm guessing this is the closest lineage being from Crockett's company? If so similarities would make sense being Appalachia has a good amount of early skunk #1 in there from the green crack side.
Miraculous Meds- BO#1 is at 30 days 12/12 in the pictures.
window- RCC's info on Cali O is the same I used to read all over the place in the 90's and 00's. I really believe the Cali O Sam brought to Dam is not the same line as Aeric77's cut came from. I'm sure they are both from Cali o at some point but I don't think Aeric77's cut originated from the same 85' run as the dutch pool.
great read billy..
i've found this quote by Chimera about Aeric77 Cali-O wich i think is on topic:
-Can you still get the real California Orange?
01-21-2012, 04:08 AM
Chimera
I suspect if this clone ever did find it's way into any of your gardens that I doubt you would make her your priority production plant- she is just not that good in every respect. I remember Vic High saying when he gave it to me 'Here is the Cali-o... she is a 5/10 on every level... now when we compare we have a relative scale to work with".
Sure the Orange(ISH!) flavour is nice, but rather mild as compared to other heavily fruit flavoured clones like grapefruit, and the effect is less intense and not appreciated by a younger kush-driven crowd. This is why I like the hybrid with the blueberry- it improves the character of the high, and adds a fruity/earthy understone.
the AE-77 clone is not a super yielder in a modern garden with high light intensities, she is finicky pH-wise and has an extremely narrow range in which she flourishes, and the buds are certainly less sellable that many other clones one could grow. I know lots of people who have grown her over the years, and none that have kept her long term. It's much more efficient for me to look within the hybrids for her valuable traits, and work towards improved characters in the hybrid lines, rather than keep around yet another clone that is not what I'm looking for. I have her good qualities in hybrids, so for me this is the most useful place to start from.
I've been smoking some C-Plus a grower gave me recently and it's great... it has all the features that make the Cali-o enjoyable, with a more complex high thanks to the BB side of things, and if I had to choose between this clone and the AE77 the C-Plus would win time and time again.
my 2 cents,
-Chimera
i've found this quote by Chimera about Aeric77 Cali-O wich i think is on topic:
-Can you still get the real California Orange?
01-21-2012, 04:08 AM
Chimera
I suspect if this clone ever did find it's way into any of your gardens that I doubt you would make her your priority production plant- she is just not that good in every respect. I remember Vic High saying when he gave it to me 'Here is the Cali-o... she is a 5/10 on every level... now when we compare we have a relative scale to work with".
Sure the Orange(ISH!) flavour is nice, but rather mild as compared to other heavily fruit flavoured clones like grapefruit, and the effect is less intense and not appreciated by a younger kush-driven crowd. This is why I like the hybrid with the blueberry- it improves the character of the high, and adds a fruity/earthy understone.
the AE-77 clone is not a super yielder in a modern garden with high light intensities, she is finicky pH-wise and has an extremely narrow range in which she flourishes, and the buds are certainly less sellable that many other clones one could grow. I know lots of people who have grown her over the years, and none that have kept her long term. It's much more efficient for me to look within the hybrids for her valuable traits, and work towards improved characters in the hybrid lines, rather than keep around yet another clone that is not what I'm looking for. I have her good qualities in hybrids, so for me this is the most useful place to start from.
I've been smoking some C-Plus a grower gave me recently and it's great... it has all the features that make the Cali-o enjoyable, with a more complex high thanks to the BB side of things, and if I had to choose between this clone and the AE77 the C-Plus would win time and time again.
my 2 cents,
-Chimera
RulaTone- Funny quote from Vic High and good quote from Chimera. I've always found his relationship to cali o kind of funny. Some old threads asking what people want from him always came back with cali o x's or s1's to little avail, but was always asked for.
Vic high was one of my early idols online. Loved reading through all his postings on the bcga boards and early cw. Dug up a couple quotes from him that are interesting. I always remember him talking fondly of aeric77 cali o cut and he worked it quite a bit(I believe he even made cali o x c99).
These are from early CW posts from Vic High.
To devote equal space to his sought after romulan clone in his grow says something. He was even in the works of creating a IBL line in 2000ish.
Vic High posting in oct2000 from CW
Now the posting that got my attention from Vic High regarding his Cali O is from May 19 2002 on CW when he was asked how the IBL was coming.
On another note, does anyone know when did the Old Cannabisworld forum came back online? I thought those servers disappeared? Looks to be only up to like 02-03 but early stuff is there....
Vic high was one of my early idols online. Loved reading through all his postings on the bcga boards and early cw. Dug up a couple quotes from him that are interesting. I always remember him talking fondly of aeric77 cali o cut and he worked it quite a bit(I believe he even made cali o x c99).
These are from early CW posts from Vic High.
To devote equal space to his sought after romulan clone in his grow says something. He was even in the works of creating a IBL line in 2000ish.
Vic High posting in oct2000 from CW
Now the posting that got my attention from Vic High regarding his Cali O is from May 19 2002 on CW when he was asked how the IBL was coming.
On another note, does anyone know when did the Old Cannabisworld forum came back online? I thought those servers disappeared? Looks to be only up to like 02-03 but early stuff is there....
Little update.
Satsuma's and cali o x a11g- Have had a high # of females with 14 females to 4 males so far, so we will get to see a good selection of each. Started to flower the first 6 (4 sutsuma's and 2 a11gx) 6 days ago with the rest going in this week.
Over all satsumas seem to have a thicker blockhead base with darker fatter leaves and more a dead on orange to creamy citrus skunk type rubs. A11g x's have a lighter lime green leaf with more double serrations, on rub much sweeter, more a tangerine to pineapple with a sweet skunk background.
first 6(4 left satsuma's 2 right cali o x a11g)
Satsuma's
Cali o x a11g
Satsuma's and cali o x a11g- Have had a high # of females with 14 females to 4 males so far, so we will get to see a good selection of each. Started to flower the first 6 (4 sutsuma's and 2 a11gx) 6 days ago with the rest going in this week.
Over all satsumas seem to have a thicker blockhead base with darker fatter leaves and more a dead on orange to creamy citrus skunk type rubs. A11g x's have a lighter lime green leaf with more double serrations, on rub much sweeter, more a tangerine to pineapple with a sweet skunk background.
first 6(4 left satsuma's 2 right cali o x a11g)
Satsuma's
Cali o x a11g
BO#1 at 37 days flower. A real breakout star, is devoloping the most intoxicating tropical lemon/citrus skunk perfume type smell. Forming nice large spear type bud formations that are going to make her a heavy yielder for sure. Great mix of parents.
BO#1 at 37 days flower
BO#1 at 37 days flower
Just found a pack of blood orange in my vault that I totally forgot I even had, then I saw this thread. Interested to see how these turn out. Looking great so far.
Bmac and Rulatone- Thanks for the kind words, the shows really about to start with 13 satsuma's and cali o x a11g's starting flower.
Scrappy-doo- Thanks, I think you are going to be very happy with what you find in your pack. I don't play the lottery or gamble but love the rush of excitement of planting a new pack in dirt.
Scrappy-doo- Thanks, I think you are going to be very happy with what you find in your pack. I don't play the lottery or gamble but love the rush of excitement of planting a new pack in dirt.
I've touched on some of the early day's of California Orange, now to get some thoughts down on the cut we are using, Aeric77 Cali O. Its hard to get exact quotes from Aeric77, he really never went into much detail, but there is some. Much of this content is from places I can't quote openly, having no permissions to due so. So I will progress with my own belief's and understandings on this cut from reading and putting pieces together.
My thoughts on Aeric77 Cali O
First and foremost, I've seen the year 1977 attached to this cut. I think this is confusion with Aeric's online name. I won't go into what I think the 77 stands for (not my place) but I'm pretty sure it doesn't have anything to due with his cali o.
From reading around the multiple forums and early sites, I can all but rule out the Flying Dutchman- Royal Orange story. I don't believe this cut ever skipped the ocean. Sam brought the cali o seeds he received over in 84-85 to make f2's for the dutch release.
Aeric77 has said he received his cali o seeds from a old timer friend from Norcal in the early 80's. This person was said to have had the seeds much earlier ruling out the 86 release of Royal Orange in my book.
Could Sam and this person have gotten the seeds from the same person or same stock, certainly possible.
Here is where Aeric77 came in. In the early 80's after receiving the cali o seeds, he began to work them for his desired traits. He did so for an unsaid amount of time and generations until he had one he really liked, the AE77 Cali O cut we have today. He passed this cut far and wide early on sharing with the hidden community. We owe him a lot for his work and generosity on Cali O.
If anyone has anything they would like to add, I would love to hear it.
quick update on Blood Orange's
BO#2 day 33 flower
Intoxicating orange with peel smell, really starting to put on weight with resin.
BO#1 day 41 flower
Tropical lemon/citrus skunk perfume on large spears dipped in sugar
My thoughts on Aeric77 Cali O
First and foremost, I've seen the year 1977 attached to this cut. I think this is confusion with Aeric's online name. I won't go into what I think the 77 stands for (not my place) but I'm pretty sure it doesn't have anything to due with his cali o.
From reading around the multiple forums and early sites, I can all but rule out the Flying Dutchman- Royal Orange story. I don't believe this cut ever skipped the ocean. Sam brought the cali o seeds he received over in 84-85 to make f2's for the dutch release.
Aeric77 has said he received his cali o seeds from a old timer friend from Norcal in the early 80's. This person was said to have had the seeds much earlier ruling out the 86 release of Royal Orange in my book.
Could Sam and this person have gotten the seeds from the same person or same stock, certainly possible.
Here is where Aeric77 came in. In the early 80's after receiving the cali o seeds, he began to work them for his desired traits. He did so for an unsaid amount of time and generations until he had one he really liked, the AE77 Cali O cut we have today. He passed this cut far and wide early on sharing with the hidden community. We owe him a lot for his work and generosity on Cali O.
If anyone has anything they would like to add, I would love to hear it.
quick update on Blood Orange's
BO#2 day 33 flower
Intoxicating orange with peel smell, really starting to put on weight with resin.
BO#1 day 41 flower
Tropical lemon/citrus skunk perfume on large spears dipped in sugar
greenestsleeves
New member
Have you had Tangie/tangy? It tastes exactly like what you described and was the best tasting bud I have ever smoked. Pure tangerine flavor, sweet with a little tartness to keep the flavor bright.
Update on Satsuma's & Cali O x A11G's
First 6 in flower now on day 14 of 12/12.
Satsuma's on a whole have much darker larger fatter leafs. Thicker stemmed and shorter structure as well, have one Satsuma that had close to zero stretch on flip. All seem to have very tight node spacing.
Cali O x A11g have very quick growth, maturing much quicker then Satsuma's. She sits on much more of a sativa base with a good stretch. Loving the sweet smells from both these girls.
Satsuma #1 day 14 flower
Satsuma #2 day 14 flower
Had to get a little rough and tie this girl down
First 6 in flower now on day 14 of 12/12.
Satsuma's on a whole have much darker larger fatter leafs. Thicker stemmed and shorter structure as well, have one Satsuma that had close to zero stretch on flip. All seem to have very tight node spacing.
Cali O x A11g have very quick growth, maturing much quicker then Satsuma's. She sits on much more of a sativa base with a good stretch. Loving the sweet smells from both these girls.
Satsuma #1 day 14 flower
Satsuma #2 day 14 flower
Had to get a little rough and tie this girl down
Gram Paw smurf
Member
Not seen anything but skunk from 4 bo's here sofar, not that I mind old skunk, but not seen a lick of orange in any of 'em yet.
Got a line in seed without any skunk in it though, so no big whoop, n still stand strong on it being more than evident the ae77 cut is chalked full of skunk myself.
Maybe get around to some satsumas come winter or nxt spring see what they produce.
cheers,.....................................gps
Got a line in seed without any skunk in it though, so no big whoop, n still stand strong on it being more than evident the ae77 cut is chalked full of skunk myself.
Maybe get around to some satsumas come winter or nxt spring see what they produce.
cheers,.....................................gps
