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Ex-DEA Administrators Call on Obama to Sue if CA Voters Legalize Pot

Grat3fulh3ad

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As California voters gear up for a November 2 vote on Proposition 19, a ballot measure that would legalize the growth, possession and distribution of marijuana, nine former administrators of the Drug Enforcement Administration have issued a preemptive call to the White House: If Prop 19 passes, they say, President Obama should sue.
The Associated Press reports that in an August 24 letter to Attorney General Eric Holder, the former DEA officials wrote that the potential legalization of marijuana would challenge federal authority and merit a lawsuit against the state - much like the one Mr. Obama has filed in protest of Arizona's controversial immigration law, which the administration say contradicts national policy.

"We would expect the Department of Justice to act just as swiftly and for the same reason," the DEA administrators said of the potential passage of Proposition 19.

The upcoming vote has incited heated national debate on the issue of cannabis legalization, and Californians once again find themselves in a position to set national precedent with a controversial ballot measure. If passed, Californians 21 and older would be the first Americans with the legal right to use marijuana recreationally.

Proponents of the measure argue that legalizing pot would allow for increased regulation of it, and that taxing the drug could bring much-needed revenue to the state. But Gil Kerlikowske, Obama's drug czar, argued in an op-ed to the Los Angeles Times that while it would be "impossible to predict precisely the consequences of wholesale legalization," he could say "with near certainty" that marijuana use would increase with the passage of Prop 19 - and so would the social costs associated with drug use.

But whether or not the Obama administration would be willing to intervene in the matter is unclear. The Justice Department has not issued a statement in response to the letter, and unlike with the case of immigration, the president has not made the legalization of marijuana a central focus of his political agenda.

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-503544_162-20016126-503544.html
 

DiscoBiscuit

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...while it would be "impossible to predict precisely the consequences of wholesale legalization," he could say "with near certainty" that marijuana use would increase with the passage of Prop 19 - and so would the social costs associated with drug use.

How about the consequences and costs of incarceration? 100-grand plus per year, per prisoner? Who gets the first get-out-of-jail-free cards when the state can no longer afford incarceration; rapists, tweekers or growers?
 

sac beh

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I find it to be such a weird cultural phenomenon, that all the former administrators of probably the most useless waste of money governmental department would come together and lobby the President for any cause. What exactly do these guys have their paws into now? I did some research and didn't come up with much about their current activities. Surely they don't believe so much in the cause of drug prohibition that they're doing it on principle alone.

I guess if your whole life and career had been connected to this one department you'd defend it to the death. But Prop 19 doesn't even have to be a threat to the DEA. They could start doing useful things with that $2.6 billion budget, like fighting violent drug gangs and supporting hard drug prevention programs. Ugh, I guess it comes down to what I've always said...

Cannabis is the life support of the DEA as well as local/state drug police. So many non-violent users that are easy targets for the incarceration system. Removing cannabis prohibition would force them to do some real drug enforcement, battle real criminals, with real guns who threaten real violence... the return on the budgetary investment is so much greater busting potheads..

Now you've got me all worked up H3ad, bro..
 
This is so stupid. Federal law was never meant to rule over every aspect of American life. It was originally only supposed to handle disputes between states. States were supposed to make all their own laws. If you didn't like how one state was run, you could move to another. Now state laws don't seem to matter, because almost everything has a federal law regarding it.
 

Lazyman

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How about the consequences and costs of incarceration? 100-grand plus per year, per prisoner? Who gets the first get-out-of-jail-free cards when the state can no longer afford incarceration; rapists, tweekers or growers?

Sorry bro, I see this as a bit of a logical fallacy. Neither personal cultivation nor possession of under an ounce are jailable offenses right now. Large scale cultuvation and possession will continue to be jailable crimes in the eyes of the law. Nobody will be freed from prison if 19 passes. 19 is primarily about the state trying to get a cut of the black market and little more.

In my opinion, California and its residents deserve better than this thinly-veiled money grab.
 

joe4444

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They just don't want to lose their jobs. It has nothing to do with legalizing cannabis per se. Ending the miserable failure that is the drug war will put A LOT of people out of work. Of course, I'm just preaching to the choir here.
 

DiscoBiscuit

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Sorry bro, I see this as a bit of a logical fallacy. Neither personal cultivation nor possession of under an ounce are jailable offenses right now. Large scale cultuvation and possession will continue to be jailable crimes in the eyes of the law. Nobody will be freed from prison if 19 passes. 19 is primarily about the state trying to get a cut of the black market and little more.

In my opinion, California and its residents deserve better than this thinly-veiled money grab.

personal cultivation nor possession of under an ounce are jailable offenses right now.

Personal cultivation is a jailable offense where I live. If the feds sue your state (assuming 19 passes) it won't be good news for my situation.
 

sac beh

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Sorry bro, I see this as a bit of a logical fallacy. Neither personal cultivation nor possession of under an ounce are jailable offenses right now. Large scale cultuvation and possession will continue to be jailable crimes in the eyes of the law. Nobody will be freed from prison if 19 passes. 19 is primarily about the state trying to get a cut of the black market and little more.

In my opinion, California and its residents deserve better than this thinly-veiled money grab.

They don't want to sue because they see Prop 19 in California as a threat. The point of suing would be to prevent the precedent set by Cali from spreading across the country. And legalization spreading across the country would indeed affect the business of incarceration. Sure, Cali is well on its way, and 19 might not make a huge difference for your common Cali herbivores, but it could be a significant event for the country.

This, by the way, is why I think 19 would be good at this point in time. But I'm not a Cali voter, so I admit I'm not the best to decide on 19.
 

igrowone

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one thing that has been interesting is the lack of activity at the federal level
hardly a peep, and must be getting to the old hardcores like this DEA dinosaur
and i suspect the answer is the department of justice is a bit afraid of getting it into the court system
they may not be so sure of victory at the supreme court, where such a case would likely end up
 

Preacher

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I find it to be such a weird cultural phenomenon, that all the former administrators of probably the most useless waste of money governmental department would come together and lobby the President for any cause. What exactly do these guys have their paws into now? I did some research and didn't come up with much about their current activities. Surely they don't believe so much in the cause of drug prohibition that they're doing it on principle alone.

I guess if your whole life and career had been connected to this one department you'd defend it to the death. But Prop 19 doesn't even have to be a threat to the DEA. They could start doing useful things with that $2.6 billion budget, like fighting violent drug gangs and supporting hard drug prevention programs. Ugh, I guess it comes down to what I've always said...

Cannabis is the life support of the DEA as well as local/state drug police. So many non-violent users that are easy targets for the incarceration system. Removing cannabis prohibition would force them to do some real drug enforcement, battle real criminals, with real guns who threaten real violence... the return on the budgetary investment is so much greater busting potheads..

Now you've got me all worked up H3ad, bro..
Yeah, when you're a Jet you're a Jet all the way. Not only are these guys fiercely loyal to the organization they ran and the men they want to see continue to get paid, they honestly believe in what they did. Administrator of the DEA is the sort of position you don't get unless you believe that what you're doing is the right thing to do with all your heart. If any human being with a sense of morality looks back at his life and says to himself "oh my God, I've spent all my time on this earth perpetuating evil and suffering", he's probably going to be too busy blowing his brains out and coming up with a bad case of dead to make a press statement. They can't be open-minded about cannabis laws because that would traumatize them.

Edit at below: they sure did win with Gonzales v. Raich, and we had a pretty damn bloody war to establish that the feds are top dog in a dual sovereignty.
 
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pearlemae

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So you have a bunch of zealots on one side, the Feds who aren't doing anything yet, and the State who is trying to grab some dough for the state. Lastly the populous of Cali that smoke Cannabis. The smokers want it to pass, the state wants it to pass, The Zealot don't, and lastly the Feds, I think the Feds aren't saying anything because it will bring up the issue of States rights, like Oregon's ass't suicide law, each time the feds went to court they lost. And perhaps the feds are also thinking wait and see I'm sure they're thinking about tax monies from Cannabis also. So it goes back to what I've always said"its all about the money" :smoweed:
 

trichrider

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Proponents of the measure argue that legalizing pot would allow for increased regulation of it, and that taxing the drug could bring much-needed revenue to the state. But Gil Kerlikowske, Obama's drug czar, argued in an op-ed to the Los Angeles Times that while it would be "impossible to predict precisely the consequences of wholesale legalization," he could say "with near certainty" that marijuana use would increase with the passage of Prop 19 - and so would the social costs associated with drug use.

The PROPONENTS argue for increased regulation? Freudian slip or are they tools?
The social costs go far beyond even the $2.6 Billion it costs to fund just the DEA. Hell, they must feel slighted. A bunch of people who wanted to get high got caught! Spent all the budget on incarceration efforts to deprive people who just wanted to be left alone...
 

PoopyTeaBags

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the only social cost of MJ use is the one you put on us when you ruin good peoples life over a plant for no fucking reason or just cause...
 

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