Even if it were true

[newbgrow]

As of late, there had been several topics on the shadow government and the elite plot to take over the world and create a One World Government, as illustrated in the documentary movie Zeitgeist. First off, let me first point out that I don't believe this true; or rather, I don't believe it is significant, I will explain in a second.

But the topic of this thread - even if it were true, so what?

Is there any quantifiable way you can prove or disprove as to how this plot would benefit or hurt you personally? How would your life change if the central bankers did not control your money? Do you believe you would be filthy rich?

How is this sinister plot even relevant to the average person's lives who don't give a shit about the world stage?

See, because I believe there will always be powerful men, especially in a capitalist society, and power corrupts even the best of men. But even if these people exert this perversion of power, starting wars, etc., it's impossible for the average person to even quantify how the world would be different if he did not, simply because it is beyond our scope of experience.

Would you be significantly happier if gas was 20 cents cheaper? If your insignificant amount of money (to the elite) is in a local bank instead of a centralized one? If the Iraqi or Vietnam Wars didn't happen? If you were a soldier, I can see the relevance, but to the vast majority of us - not that it doesn't matter that the wars were presumably started on fraud - it simply doesn't affect our wellbeing that much.

Even if the Rockefellers didn't create central banking, someone else will come along to fill in the power vacuum. It is inevitable. I suggest that throughout time, many different groups of people with different goals tried to usurp power in the worldstage to benefit their own needs. But these people are way beyond our realities, it doesn't even matter! The average man wouldn't even know the difference, if it were true or not!

It only really matters if someone is cheating at a game, to the other players of the game. To most of us not engaged in politics or the top tier of business, this shouldn't even be news.

I think conspiracy theorists are wasting their time playing a game they're not invited in on.

What are your thoughts?

Note: I just want to clarify. I don't mean that it doesn't matter that people are, supposedly, committing these heinous crimes. It matters on principle. What I mean is, perceptually, to the average person, these unwordly events have no direct effect on our wellbeing. And if there was an effect, no one would be able to quantify it.

 

[FRANKENBLUNT420]

lets say it were true. . ., i havent even seen the zeitgiest thing but, its all the same to me, just conspiracy theorists getting better at getting their message out using video as a medium for the message . . . .there are many ways that we could all benefit and it can be proven in many philosophical ways or with those types of questions for example.

-we all as human beings have basic/general needs, why should anyones particular needs be more than the others? shouldnt the stronger help the weaker?

-what does anyone really have to gain from being "ontop" or "wealthy" above other people especially, what is to be gained from that type of thinking or wanting.

-what is to be gained, for the good or welfare of the whole if the one is the only to prosper in his/her endeavors in life? shouldnt what a person does be of a positive intention for the whole? now lets say that what some say is true, "in order to build up something, something else must be destroyed", is it necessary that one intentionally destroys something/someone in order to bring about change, especially when life should be precious to anyone? of course you have your mental deviants as with the human species just like any other species there are anomalies.

who are these people that "feel" or "think" that we all need to be hearded like cattle? why are they chosen as the hearders? more importantly WHO decided that THEY would the ones to do the hearding?

anyone that has "ability" to accede normal human parameters , whether it be of mind or body has an ability to cause positive change within society. i think that without out the hassle of "how much money im gonna make" always being the forbearing factor for most, many would just want to contribute these things for the betterment of people and not just their own personal gain.

ok , now i can go on and on about this, and whatever point i bring up would be of a philosophical nature. all of the financial systems in place, all of the competitions between people to me are ridiculous. teh greatest example i can think of is teh fashion industry. now me personally think that designing clothes can be an art, and definitely a form of self expression, but it has been destroyed by a societal "status quo" being in implemented that have people walking around like actors from "stick figure" theatre and this is all supposedly to be ok.

now don't get me wrong, i am not ragging specifically on the fashion industry, but that example of this "ideal of perfection" can be seen in many other things. . . . all of that to say this, is all of that really important and necessary and to whom, really? where and how AS A SPECIES did we get to this point and to what end?

why does it have to be a "dog eat dog world?" why is it that " life isn't difficult but PEPOPLE, make life difficult" such a truthful statement for us ALL. these paradigms that exist of "world domination" do exist and come from people just like me and you so i want to know what the hell is this persons, or peoples problems that they have to enslave, commit genocide, or "rule" people at all. i am sure that " could you help me please" would have worked alot better than "get the fu ck over here and do this work b4 i kill you" in the sense of creating peaceful relationships and bonds.

people fighting over land, supposed "birth rights" , chest and brow beating is all a crock to me in the end.

 

[newbgrow]

What I'm talking about is a quantifiable percieved change, which I still suggest no one could tell me: How would your life change (for better or worse) if these conspiracies hadn't taken place?

There really is nothing politically correct in this question -- in fact it's quite cynical. I am not talking about who deserves what, only reality. First off, let's dispel the myth that the stronger should help the weaker; that's not true -- in reality. The stronger being's needs are satisfied more than the weaker because he is stronger. It's a "dog eat dog world" because that is human nature.

As we are bound by human nature, that even by the mathematical percentage, if someone didn't come along to fill in a power vacuum, someone else will. And for those of us not in the power game, it shouldn't matter if more power was given to others, if not for some obscure philosophical principle that power should always be used for "the good of society".

I'm all for standing up for something, and giving back to the society; but at the same time, I realize that's just me and a good percentage of other people. In fact, it could be said that all people work for personal gain, some of the time. Power will continually be usurps, and thrown back and forth, between different personalities and interests. I know this is something I cannot control, nor can anyone. Is it a surprise there may be a political motive for personal gain behind EVERY significant event in history?

To me, this change in power, defines the age that we live in. Sure it affects us. Sure it kills people. But there is nothing you can do about it short of becoming the power yourself, as personal motives will always dominate the backdrop in every scene of importance.

Rambling a bit... but in short, I think it's a complete waste of time to keep track of everyone else's motives and power plays. The importance should be placed on your own motives and power plays. A person should strive to empower themselves, and if everyone did that, the so-called "elite" would have much more competition.

But if everyone just whined and complained about impending doom and conspiracy theories - it becomes a glorified myth and a self-fulfilling prophecy. It puts them down and everyone around them down.

And that's what I mean by these conspiracies don't even matter. In fact I believe it is counterproductive to always muse about conspiracy theories and other people's motives instead of focuses on what you should do in your own life to empower yourself. What you do can potentially change your quality of life much more than some omnimous shadow government -- and if there ever was such a thing, it's because THEY followed my advice of self-empowerment, instead of worrrying about other people's power plays in their times.

At the center of these conspiracies, they are not Gods. They are men, who used to be like you and me. Only now they possess more. Everyone has the ability to be "elite". Bill Gates wasn't always rich...

 

[Guest]

10 percent can never take 90 percent if 90 percent says no...government knows this...thats why they separate us and give us all nice shiny pacifiers to suck on and become dependent on and fight over

 

[nycdfan042]

oh ok so basically all is not lost? and we CAN make a difference? COOL! thanks!!

 

[varriform]

I have not seen this film but I am familiar somewhat.I think i kinda understand what we are discussing.
How is the ordinary man to know that the most dangerous element in society is ignorance , that its power of destruction is the very thing social movements and anarchism are battling. nor is he aware that Socialism/anarchism , whose roots are part of human nature , destroy not healthful tissue but parasitic growth that feeds on lifes essence of society. It is merely clearing weeds and pests so that it may eventually bear healthy buds. Someone said it requires lest mental effort to condemn then to think.rather than go to the bottom of any given idea, to examine its origin and meaning, most people will either condemn it alltogether or rely on some superficial or prejudicial BS .

 

[Grat3fulh3ad]

In 1849 Gutle Schnaper, Mayer Amschel Rothschild’s wife dies. Before her death she would nonchalantly state,

"If my sons did not want wars, there would be none."

 

[Woody Creek]

take a hike and enjoy the world for what it is.

take a hike and enjoy the world for what it is.

I couldn't agree more. People focus their energy in the most ****ed up directions. Really get a life, get a hooker, get some excercise. But why concern yourself with things, that don't concern you. Leave the rocks alone and stop looking under boulders all day. All your going to uncover is slimy creatures and a bit of filth. People get stuck behind walls all day and forget the real meaning of life. People forget to enjoy nature, life and what the world was before the Ol mighty $$$$$$$$$$$ came into the picture.