Schwinn Simpson
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I see that the 10 seed pack is the standard with people offering packs of 5 and even down to 1 seed. Pack sizes larger than 10 seem to be rare.In my opinion this is a disservice to the community.
The way commercial producers looking for keepers and Old timers like Tom Hill describe the keepers pop up around 1 in 20. In some lines it might be more like 1 in 25. What ever the situation it should ne determined at which ratio keepers are found AND particular phenos.
That is the information that should be used to determine pack sizes.
the first pack size should be the the ratio at which a keeper is found x2 to account for male female seeds + 20% to account for poor germ rates, user error etc. then rounded up.
So a 1 in 20 keeper ratio minimum pack size should be rounded up to 50 seeds. We'll call this pack 1 or the gamble pack.
Then a formula should be applied. I saw someone do the math for a 1 in 11 pheno and it was determined that 4 packs of 10 seeds would give a >99% of finding the pheno. I'm going to round up to a 4x multiplier to determine the seeds pack size. I'm also going to add a 20% seed buffer to account for poor female to male ratios, or germ rates or simple user error. Then rounded up.
(number of seeds a keeper shows up x 2)4 +20% = pack size
so a 1 in 20 keeper ratio >99% pack size should be 200 seeds for regular seeds.
We'll call this pack 2 or the keeper pack.
The next pack size should be based on finding a particular pheno. Lets say there is a 1 in 20 keeper ratio but there are 4 main keepers. So it should be based of the ratio a particular pheno shows up which is 80 seeds.
(number of seeds to find a partular pheno x 2)4 +20% and round up= pack size
so for a 1 in 20 keeper ratio with 4 main keeper phenos the pack size should be 800.
We'll call that pack 3 or the preservation pack.
So let's say pack 1 is 250 then make pack 2 = 600. I even think 600 is over priced for a keeper pack I think keeper packs should be between 200 and 400.
What this does is incentivize people to invest in an >99% chance of finding a keeper. When someone buys seeds they should be on a search for the keepers, nothing less. When people do not find keepers it ruins the supply chain for the end user. The point is to get every grower keepers of the varieties they decide to grow. That way the supply to end users is diverse and full of keepers where the determining factor becomes how well grown and cured the end product is.
It also ensures that when someone invests in seeds they have enough seeds to properly maintain a line without bottlenecking it ensuring the survival of thousands of years and many many generations of hard work and selections that went into those seeds. If you are not doing this, you greedy f****, then you are basically disrespecting and outright destroying the hard work of everyone that came before you and everyone to come after you that might need man's domestcation of ferel hemp into something sacred, a medicine for the ails of mankind.
The way commercial producers looking for keepers and Old timers like Tom Hill describe the keepers pop up around 1 in 20. In some lines it might be more like 1 in 25. What ever the situation it should ne determined at which ratio keepers are found AND particular phenos.
That is the information that should be used to determine pack sizes.
the first pack size should be the the ratio at which a keeper is found x2 to account for male female seeds + 20% to account for poor germ rates, user error etc. then rounded up.
So a 1 in 20 keeper ratio minimum pack size should be rounded up to 50 seeds. We'll call this pack 1 or the gamble pack.
Then a formula should be applied. I saw someone do the math for a 1 in 11 pheno and it was determined that 4 packs of 10 seeds would give a >99% of finding the pheno. I'm going to round up to a 4x multiplier to determine the seeds pack size. I'm also going to add a 20% seed buffer to account for poor female to male ratios, or germ rates or simple user error. Then rounded up.
(number of seeds a keeper shows up x 2)4 +20% = pack size
so a 1 in 20 keeper ratio >99% pack size should be 200 seeds for regular seeds.
We'll call this pack 2 or the keeper pack.
The next pack size should be based on finding a particular pheno. Lets say there is a 1 in 20 keeper ratio but there are 4 main keepers. So it should be based of the ratio a particular pheno shows up which is 80 seeds.
(number of seeds to find a partular pheno x 2)4 +20% and round up= pack size
so for a 1 in 20 keeper ratio with 4 main keeper phenos the pack size should be 800.
We'll call that pack 3 or the preservation pack.
So let's say pack 1 is 250 then make pack 2 = 600. I even think 600 is over priced for a keeper pack I think keeper packs should be between 200 and 400.
What this does is incentivize people to invest in an >99% chance of finding a keeper. When someone buys seeds they should be on a search for the keepers, nothing less. When people do not find keepers it ruins the supply chain for the end user. The point is to get every grower keepers of the varieties they decide to grow. That way the supply to end users is diverse and full of keepers where the determining factor becomes how well grown and cured the end product is.
It also ensures that when someone invests in seeds they have enough seeds to properly maintain a line without bottlenecking it ensuring the survival of thousands of years and many many generations of hard work and selections that went into those seeds. If you are not doing this, you greedy f****, then you are basically disrespecting and outright destroying the hard work of everyone that came before you and everyone to come after you that might need man's domestcation of ferel hemp into something sacred, a medicine for the ails of mankind.
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, selling pack sizes that don't contain a very high percentage chance of finding a keeper leads to people settling for "keepers" a sort of shysters keeper to imply they have been shysted into believing what they have is a keeper because they didn't do a proper selection. I'm not saying it is their fault for believing what they have is a keeper either but it doesn't make it a true keeper either.
