Ebb and flow Hydro, My symptoms?

[Merfolk]

Hello im currently undergoing a project and wondering what my faults are, and looking to see how i can do things different around here

Im wondering about the holes in my leafs, and the deficiency i am looking at...


Also those buckets are not filled have have rockwool/hydroton, so do i need to worry about Algea ?

How long has this problem been going on? (1 Week, but the last 3 days the plants have been in a different system, and where transferred with the problems.)


What system are you running? Ebb and Flow DIY

What STRAIN are you growing? Ak-48 Nirvana

What was the establishing technique? These are Clones, but i grew from seed.
What is the age of your plants? Bigger one around 4 weeks, others 2 weeks.

How long have they been in there mixture they are in now? Mixed a Res sunday , Lucas Foruma, 8-16 per gallon

How tall are the plants? 1-2 Feet

What PHASE are the plants in? (seedling, vegetative or flower) are
the plants in? Veg

What substrate/medium are you using? Hydroton, RockWool Mix

What is the Water temperature 70-78

What color are your roots? White? Brown? Are your roots slimy?
In my Last system before transfered, they had Algae, other then that nice and white.

What Nutrient's are you using? Lucas Formula, 25 gallon res, 8-16 per gallon. General Hydro

How often are you feeding? (If using soiless)
I feed 3 times a day, every 8 hours.

What is the TDS/EC/PPM you are using?

As i type : 1415 ppm and 5.8 Ph

What size bulb are you using? 1000w

What is the distance to the canopy? Few Feet about 4 or so

What is your RH Factor(Relative Humidity)?

What is the canopy temperature? High 70's


Tap? Yes

 

[Merfolk]

More, pics, also i got leafs with curls going up, a sign of heat stress, but the hood is air cooled, and the lamp is no where near close for it to burn, im going to wally world tomarrow to buy a Temp Gauge as mine took a dive in the res tonight.

 

[Merfolk]

New Growth is looking good, although leaves curling up as a sign of heat stress, but i dont think its even above 80

 

[Merfolk]

Wow, over looking what i could be doing wrong, i sure feel like a dumbass, and -


I have my lights on 24/7 and in veg stage obviously, and i made the lucas ratio, 8-16 per gallon(Flower Ratio), instead of 5-10, Wow, i feel like a moron! i read the numbers wrong when making the batch


Dump and redo? or am i fine ?

 

[richyrich]

First, check your roots. If they are not healthy your plants can't eat and are deficient.

Second, bend or squeeze those really bad looking leaves that look rusty. If they are brittle and break into pieces then you are over feeding. Drop the ppms.

Last, those last pics that are really yellow could be signs of heat stress. I've had that happen before. Check all other variables first.

Oh, always check and re-calibrate your ph meter.

 

[Merfolk]

First, check your roots. If they are not healthy your plants can't eat and are deficient.

Second, bend or squeeze those really bad looking leaves that look rusty. If they are brittle and break into pieces then you are over feeding. Drop the ppms.

Last, those last pics that are really yellow could be signs of heat stress. I've had that happen before. Check all other variables first.

Oh, always check and re-calibrate your ph meter.

Ph keeps rising, Ph'd Down to 5.8, Water temp is 72, Heat near canopy is 79 Degree's.


Im Ordering Physan 20 - 16 oz., Hoping that a 10$ trial of this stuff will fix my Slimy Rez and kill anything thats not supposed too.

If all else fails i will Dump rez, put Fresh water Ph it, add this new Physan 20, let the system run for a day or two, then add Chemicals?


Still looking for input!

 

[Anima]

How long have they been in there mixture they are in now? Mixed a Res sunday , Lucas Foruma, 8-16 per gallon

There's yer problem.
8-16 what?
1400 ppm is too high.. assuming you are using a meter on the hanna scale.
I shoot for 700-800ppm in veg.
your pH problems should correct themselves once you start feeding right.

Peace and kindness
-Anima

 

[Merfolk]

There's yer problem.
8-16 what?
1400 ppm is too high.. assuming you are using a meter on the hanna scale.
I shoot for 700-800ppm in veg.
your pH problems should correct themselves once you start feeding right.

Peace and kindness
-Anima

According to the lucas formula 8-16 ML for flowering ( again i feel like a moron, i mixed the wrong batch! ) it is supposed to be 5-10 ML if i recall Right.


So, feeding them that kind of solution, could perhaps promote nute lockout??

Also, might i correct my medium, there Rockwool small cubes, and hydroton mixed together.

Its what i had on hand, and actully the top leafs are showing signs of either over wattering or under wattering, i was feeding 3 times a day, every 8 hours, i just turned the timer to twice a day, every 12 hours...


So im testing the waters here, thanks for the input and keep em comming!

 

[Anima]

8-16 ML of what?
Flora nova?
Flora nova Grow is much stronger than Fora Nova bloom.

Forget lucas formula.. you are using flora nova formula.. Its right there on the bottle...start at 600 ppm and move up from there...

yess 1400 ppm is going to give you lockout.

I don't know about the mixed hydroton and rockwool small cubes...
I use 4 in cubes buried in hydroton... I don't think thats your problem.

I flood every 4 hours for 15 mins.

 

[Merfolk]

8-16 ML of what?
Flora nova?
Flora nova Grow is much stronger than Fora Nova bloom.

Forget lucas formula.. you are using flora nova formula.. Its right there on the bottle...start at 600 ppm and move up from there...

yess 1400 ppm is going to give you lockout.

I don't know about the mixed hydroton and rockwool small cubes...
I use 4 in cubes buried in hydroton... I don't think thats your problem.

I flood every 4 hours for 15 mins.

Bah sorry, General Hydroponics Line. Flora Micro/Bloom

 

[Anima]

ok maybe not forget about the lucas formula...
I don't know anything about the flora series besides it is a 3 part nute regimen. I use the Flora Nova 1 part nutes...both made by the same people.

and 8 ml of Nova bloom is about as high as I'd go ever in flowering(around 1100-1200ppm hanna), so thats why I was gawking at your initial #'s

That being said...now I think you can ask the right questions for the right person to show up and help ya out.

Good luck

 

[richyrich]

Ph keeps rising, Ph'd Down to 5.8, Water temp is 72, Heat near canopy is 79 Degree's.


Im Ordering Physan 20 - 16 oz., Hoping that a 10$ trial of this stuff will fix my Slimy Rez and kill anything thats not supposed too.

If all else fails i will Dump rez, put Fresh water Ph it, add this new Physan 20, let the system run for a day or two, then add Chemicals?


Still looking for input!

In bold, those are signs of the slime. You might have it. Read the link on Got Slime in my signature.

 

[Merfolk]

Well friends, its been two weeks and symptoms have improved, plants are looking better, although im still fighting heat stress


Not sure why or how, temps never go above 80f, IMO its because its just close to the bulb ( well not really, like 3 ft away ) Im going to induce flower as soon as i can get another layer of plastic up to light seal the room..



Figured id follow through with this thread so you can all see how much of a help you all where...



Mixed a 25 gal batch last night

25 drops of Superthrive
3ML of Physan - 20
5-10 FloraMicro/Flora Bloom per gallon

and phd to 5.7-5.9


Hoping the Physan wont have any bad affects, Got the advice from a local here and he seems to know his shit, i wanted to get rid of any bad bacteria my buckets could possibly have.

 

[GreenGeek]

So it's ok to use physan 20 with the nutes on a regular basis?