Early signs---Clones w/ possible deficiencies

[Yes4Prop215]

GH COCOCOIR + MiracleGrow PERLITE
grown from clones, probably a few weeks old
transplanted 2 days ago
handwatered with GH Lucas Formula at light strength, 1/4 tspn micro + 1/2 tspn bloom + 1/4 tspn Cal/Mag

PH is a steady 5.7-5.8

The cococoir brick was broken down and mixed into a light nutrient solution balanced to 5.8

perlite is miracle grow, which has nitrogen in it already

3 different strains, Purple Kush, Grape Ape, Strawberry Cough x Deep Chunk

roots look very nice and white, they were itching to pop out of their cloning trays

They are grown in a closet, which is in the flowering room.

The flap is open for 12 hours out of their 18 hour cycle, for 6 hours they flap is closed and the fans are run, i have intake fan seen below and exhaust fan above the 400 that vents into roof. Small oscillating fan also stirs air in room, but not direct.

Now, onto the plants. They look a little worse than what the pictures show, hopefully its nothing major, just acclimating to the new medium, etc.

these were the grow trays they came in, very cramped, busting out

they were transplanted into this

plant #1 worries me, it looks very pale green and shriveled up

plant #2 this plant looks healthy with the exception of the purple veined, yellow leaf, possible nitrogen deficiency?

plant #3 more possible nitrogen deficiency? I upped to nitrogen dose to 1/2 tspn.

plant #4 looks different, it has shriveled tips, which the others do not have, this one baffles me


1) Do they need more air circulation
2) RH is 50% in the room, but im not sure what it is in the closet, more ventilation perhaps?
3) Was i supposed to prepare the coco a different way, with a clearex flush prior to a rinse in light solution?
4) Is the miracle grow perlite bad?
5) Am i just tripping and these plants are experiancing a little shock and stress from the recent transplant. i bought these as clones from the local MMJ and am not aware of previous nute regimen or lighting. The guy told me to put them under 18/6 right away, thats it.


Thanks.

 

[Weedninja]

I see some N and mag problems but it's normal for clones to "eat their own ass". Plus they were rootbound. It sounds like you have your shit together and they should get better. Except for 1 thing: Are you misting them? That's asking for fungus problems.

Miracle Gro perlite does have fertilizer, but in small amounts. I rinse mine before I use it though. I punch little holes in the bottom of the bag and pour hot water through the top.

 

[Yes4Prop215]

^My roomate misted them lightly with a sulfer based fungicide because he thought he saw Powder Mildew, i didnt really think too much of it. Maybe they are too young for it.

 

[Weedninja]

^My roomate misted them lightly with a sulfer based fungicide because he thought he saw Powder Mildew, i didnt really think too much of it. Maybe they are too young for it.

Ok no problem then. Just making sure you weren't misting to keep humidity up.

 

[Yes4Prop215]

People in the COCO forums are recommending a flush

 

[Weedninja]

They know more about coco than I do, so you probably should flush. Just out of curiosity, why are they telling you to flush?

 

[Yes4Prop215]

not really sure, the plants arent looking any better. still showing signs plus some of them bright green leaves have turned yellow. not good signs considering how young they are.

the flush was to remove excess nitrogen and to totally adjust PH.

Even thogh i mixed my coco bricks in a PH balanced nute solution, i guess there might be lockout issues.

 

[Weedninja]

Were they in coco or soil when you got them? How are your temps?

The leaves that are damaged and yellow are not going to turn green, so don't use that as a guideline.

 

[HeadyPete]

That 400 is a lot of light for those young plants.

They seem to be hungry, with the yellowed leaf, the chlorosis and the upturned edges (mag def or heat stress). They will take more nutes than plants under less light.

What is the distance from plant to light? More ventilation and circulation is always good.

 

[Yes4Prop215]

they were in coco cubes when i got them, transplanted to coco coir/perlite

the distance is actually alot, probably like almost 2 feet in some places.

i have upped their nute dosage up, with added cal mag, have yet to see visual improvements though.

 

[HeadyPete]

Alright, light distance is good. Let's give them a couple days to track progress. I think they needed that extra food for the big light. Light provides energy when combined with ferts equal plant growth. The more light, the more food required.

Please post updates and pix.

 

[Yes4Prop215]

most are showing lots of growth and looking good, but some are showing small burns and "dwarfism"

these are the ones that are in our extra care section, the three best ones are in the middle which we are gonna use as mothers, the ones on the sides are ones that need special care and a few more hours in veg.

 

[HeadyPete]

They look pretty good!

If I may, why prepick your mothers now? I would clone them all, flower them small and fast and dry, cure and smoke them...then chose your mothers based on the traits you want versus the moms you have. Keep em all labeled.

 

[Yes4Prop215]

flower them all, then choose the best one and re-veg her?

il run the idea by my partner, but i think we want to start mothering plants now so we can start to pick.

 

[HeadyPete]

No, that's not what I said. You want the seedplant to be the mom, if possible. They have more vigor than clones, usually. This process takes longer, but it is the best way to pick a keeper, IMO.

Clone all of the mothers, flower the clones, harvest dry and cure the clones - 1 month in the jar-o, min, smoke the clones, pick the best according to your tastes. My #1 priority is quality, strength and length of buzz, then yield, then taste/smell.........Make sure you label everything.

I am in the process of smoking/auditioning 7 different moms of Dr Atomic NL from 10/10 seeds (way to go, Dr A! ) and there are big differences from plant to plant. I had 3 indica leaners, 1 in the middle, and 3 sat leaners....different bud structure, different looks, colours, smell, buzzes, yields......a couple had a tendency to hermie from overtemps, but i'll smoke em and if they rock, i'll work harder at the temps. I also fixed a small light leak.

I have made it to the 4th pheno, a sat leaner that is 70% purple, and it is not bad, but not the best so far. 1 smells like the dry cheese power from KD. Some are fruity. Some finish quicker - some slower....etc etc etc

 

[Yes4Prop215]

I think we are gonna go ahead and flower the first half, they have been under a 150hps 12/12 the last few days and are still growing out, we have a nice little canopy of about 12 plants that fits under a 150w.

We got another batch of 12 that we are gonna keep in veg for another couple weeks, i am gonna practice "topping" these, its my first time topping plants, i want to get a bunch of nice 3 or 4 pronged plants for flowering. After i take a cutting i have to wait at least a week to flower right? to let the plant recover?

 

[Yes4Prop215]

also we upped dosage on these to full GH Lucas, which is 8ml micro, 16ml bloom, plus we add 10-15ml of cal+mag, and a dash of 5ml Florablend compost tea which has an additional boost of nitrogen and some other things, we use straight RO water and balance it to 5.8, watered 1-2 a day.

as you can see i am trying different things right now, the 4 plants in the back were vegged for like a month+ and were topped nicely by the guy i bought them from. We are getting alot of yeild out of them but they are kinda big and bulky, took a ton of time to grow, and take up a whole 400 watt.
heres a closer up, these 4 gave us alot of problems, the one in the foreground with the most leaf damage was a hindu kush and it apparently is not that strong, the Purple Kush on the right was the strongest, the bubba kushes in the back are yellowing up like that because we have been flushing them for about a week now, plus i suspect i didnt give them enough nutes during growth, but the buds look super saucy, strong crystals nice spicy smell.

so with the new batch of 12 we are gonna try the quick flower method, with a larger amount of smaller plants and a nice canopy, seeing what method works best. And as of now we are saving some decent wattage because they fit nicely under that 150HPS.

We are chopping those bubbas tonight, and after that we are gonna cut the 150 and put all the plants under the 400HPS.

 

[Yes4Prop215]

compare the pics up there, on march 12- march 15, they gained about 20% in size.

also, those pics up there are with the lights off, thats why they look so droopy.

and to answer that question up there, they were rooted in COCO cubes mixed with perlite, and we threw them into a nice moist mix of our own coco and perlite, the growth exploded on these. much better than that slow rockwool/hydroton method we tried on the bigger plants.