Hi guys, do some of you gurus know how can early finishers (semi-autos) clones, like gg, or pm, can be put outdoors without flowering in say start of may? I Was reading The greats JULIAN thread, he was using purple maroc in his guerilla projects from clones, but i was reading massive thread 2 times and i don't see how he succed that... From how many hrs of darkness will semi-autos start flowering? What is (by your judgement) the best early strain for guerilla grow? Consider that will be minimum maintenance, for the best quantity and quality... Thanks in advance, and sorry for my bad english...
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Early finishers clones preventing flowering
- Thread starter blinky34
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Hey blinky34
Ive done considerable testing on this question and i know this. Most hybrid cannabis will begin to flower when light levels reacj 14.25 hrs or lower. Some strains will began to flower at 14.5 hrs. . If you have indoor plants and turn the lights to 14.25 they will begin to flower. If you increase the lights to 15hrs, they will reveg. Every strain i tested reacted the same.
The same holds true for outdoor. I live at 38n. I usually see flowers by Aug 1. Because it takes a plant about 2 weeks to show flowers once light levels trigger flowering, then its actually mid july when my plants are triggered to flower. The outdoor daylenth for mid july at my lat is 14.5 hrs of light.-
Bottom line: if you plant the plants before 14.5 -15hrs of light is reached, they will flower. Wait and they wont.
Biddy early is great.
http://astro.unl.edu/classaction/animations/coordsmotion/daylighthoursexplorer.html
Ive done considerable testing on this question and i know this. Most hybrid cannabis will begin to flower when light levels reacj 14.25 hrs or lower. Some strains will began to flower at 14.5 hrs. . If you have indoor plants and turn the lights to 14.25 they will begin to flower. If you increase the lights to 15hrs, they will reveg. Every strain i tested reacted the same.
The same holds true for outdoor. I live at 38n. I usually see flowers by Aug 1. Because it takes a plant about 2 weeks to show flowers once light levels trigger flowering, then its actually mid july when my plants are triggered to flower. The outdoor daylenth for mid july at my lat is 14.5 hrs of light.-
Bottom line: if you plant the plants before 14.5 -15hrs of light is reached, they will flower. Wait and they wont.
Biddy early is great.
http://astro.unl.edu/classaction/animations/coordsmotion/daylighthoursexplorer.html
Yes moon i know alredy this. Thank for your 2 c 
.. But i want to know this for strains like Guerilla Gold and Purple Maroc and other semi-autos? What trigger flowering? I am on 42 deegrees btw. I heard that root bound or some other stress can send her into flower.... I sure know that many would like to heard that answer from someone who has exp. in these variates... Sorry for unbeliavable bad english ...
.. But i want to know this for strains like Guerilla Gold and Purple Maroc and other semi-autos? What trigger flowering? I am on 42 deegrees btw. I heard that root bound or some other stress can send her into flower.... I sure know that many would like to heard that answer from someone who has exp. in these variates... Sorry for unbeliavable bad english ...
Yes Black mate i understand how cloning and root pruning is done, when you doing massive cloning that is no problem... But... I dont want to put clones outside, that was at 24/0, to say... 15/9 (light/dark) periods and trigger flowering... I know that ordinary plant will NOT flower at that shedule, but semi autos are EXTREMELY photosensitive plants, and dont want to F*** up whole op. I was inspired with Julians massive outdoor thread, he was growing Purple Maroc that is also semi-auto, but i dont find the tecnique he was using to prevent triggering, and i was reading thread allredy twice.... Wish he was here to help, somany people want to know this, or i heard that... I dont want to throw 1000 semi autos in may and have popcorn buds in june.... Thats all.... Answer master Julian.... That man ARE changed my life and my destiny, no more begging, or down on my knees for my children for peace of bred.... Thank you Black and Moon for your time, you sure helped me... but i want to learn this... PEACE to you all brothers from other side of the world... We are here so equal, i love this site... PEACE and stay HIGH!
Nunsacred
Active member
Then don't!
You seem to be under the misapprehension that there's some big secret everyone knows but isn't sharing.
It's kind of funny. I hope Julian pops in to drop esoteric hints about magnets or something.
god forbid you might actually just try some purple maroc for yourself at various times in May......
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bajangreen
blinky34 my advice is to plant a little at different times this season to see when is the best time. the thing about out door plants is the best time to plant them is usually the time they are producing seed.
Ok... people thanks for everything... It seems we have to learn through our own trial and error... Bajangreen thanks for honest answer... It seems that is the only way, besides that, i will perhaps try to mimic the outhdoor weather indor, leveling up a day time to see how will the plants react... I think that is the best experiment with the most (besides really outdoor planting and experiment) accurate results... There is no other way of learning... Nunsacred i think this is forum where people share experiances, post questions and answers, in other words, WE ALL expand our knowledge through this forum... I think your answer "Then don't" is a little hypocritic.... I know that there isn't any secret, and i don't begging for reaveling it to me... I just ask someone experienced in the semiautos... Thats all... Julian point of view and his works and ops are true knowledge through experiances... If knowledge is measured by the plant count that is growed, Julian is the F***ing master of universe.... His work is true, i try it this year grow with polymers, and NOT watering even once... All plants is happy, and not thirsty, so... Julian is man who ACTUALLY know what is saying, his point of view of things are marbeles... I will follow him and his directions, to the day i die... That is all i want to say... Happy growing to you all!
P.S. Do you actually know where is the J? Is he ok and well? If someone know or in touch with him, please send regards and tell that his mental power is changed life for this little fellow... I will give half of my life to speak or even chat with him once in my life... i think this is offtopic but this one i must say... Sorry for again my terrible english... Regards to ALL of you from small peace of sky in the SE europe!
P.S. Do you actually know where is the J? Is he ok and well? If someone know or in touch with him, please send regards and tell that his mental power is changed life for this little fellow... I will give half of my life to speak or even chat with him once in my life... i think this is offtopic but this one i must say... Sorry for again my terrible english... Regards to ALL of you from small peace of sky in the SE europe!
Nunsacred
Active member
Know the phrase "imitation is the sincerest form of flattery"?
You say that you follow Julian's style until you die, but all you've done is question it, accuse him of secrets, and refute other people's answers.
Do you honestly think that this is a way to get helpful advice?
Look, I'm going to tell you what you don't wanna hear:
You don't know what "semi-auto" means, because it is meaningless.
Julian has shown that some strains work well in his locations planted out in early May. You indicate that you have a problem with that, because it conflicts with your understanding of a meaningless term.
Now, like I say, imitation of Julian's style would be more convincing flattery than what you've been doing, which conflicts with what you're saying.
FWIW my 2c :
there are several flowering triggers apart from light length (photoperiod) and 'maturity of the stem' is most important in many early finishing plants.
The issue is more complex than just triggering .... also the question of whether the plant responds to longer days again (re-veg) during flowering or not.
So it comes down to knowing your strains behaviour in your locations
Temperature might important , therefore altitude, or it might not.
So if you get your chat with Julian I suggest you think very carefully
exactly what questions you have he can actually answer,
And whether you should just try purple maroc first out of respect for his attempt to teach you about it.
No need to thank me
You say that you follow Julian's style until you die, but all you've done is question it, accuse him of secrets, and refute other people's answers.
Do you honestly think that this is a way to get helpful advice?
Look, I'm going to tell you what you don't wanna hear:
You don't know what "semi-auto" means, because it is meaningless.
Julian has shown that some strains work well in his locations planted out in early May. You indicate that you have a problem with that, because it conflicts with your understanding of a meaningless term.
Now, like I say, imitation of Julian's style would be more convincing flattery than what you've been doing, which conflicts with what you're saying.
FWIW my 2c :
there are several flowering triggers apart from light length (photoperiod) and 'maturity of the stem' is most important in many early finishing plants.
The issue is more complex than just triggering .... also the question of whether the plant responds to longer days again (re-veg) during flowering or not.
So it comes down to knowing your strains behaviour in your locations
Temperature might important , therefore altitude, or it might not.
So if you get your chat with Julian I suggest you think very carefully
exactly what questions you have he can actually answer,
And whether you should just try purple maroc first out of respect for his attempt to teach you about it.
No need to thank me
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Ok Nunsacred, thanks mate. You are totally right about this. It is a more then one factor who trigger the flowering in photosensitive plants. Yes the stress can trigger flowering, temp, attitude, etc... You are more experienced grower then myself, sure, because i have just one outdoor grow, and one indoor under my belt. For that i ask you and others for this question. Do you know someone who has transition from inside, clones from mothers, to outside with early (semi-autos) strain? Semi autos means that is has some autoflowering genes in his DNA. I know you know this and there IS a semi-autos aka early finishing. Some semi-autos phenos actually autoflower even in 24/0... Just want to know did someone has a similar problem or similar situation of transition with particular strain and how that develop through grow... No hard feeling at all Nuns, you are experianced and me, and i still learning, reading, don't wanna ask stupid question which allredy been answered, but i don't find anything on this... Stay high nuns
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Peacer
high
Ive made last year some clones of purple maroc. mother under LED and cuts were fain when it was 20.5. or so...other earlier started to flowering...my latitude is 49 wuite north
its all about testing - my results can be totally different than yours ! and there are some phenotipe variation, some are better for that testing some not. so you must just do some testing and almost no stressing and you will get all that in just few months ... repot first cuts early in may, then others in june.. and you will see exactly what is best
i think guerilla gold will be easier to clone than purple maroc imo
Ive made last year some clones of purple maroc. mother under LED and cuts were fain when it was 20.5. or so...other earlier started to flowering...my latitude is 49 wuite north
its all about testing - my results can be totally different than yours ! and there are some phenotipe variation, some are better for that testing some not. so you must just do some testing and almost no stressing and you will get all that in just few months ... repot first cuts early in may, then others in june.. and you will see exactly what is best
i think guerilla gold will be easier to clone than purple maroc imo
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bajangreen
Plant one, if it flowers early mark the time it flowers and plant around that time next season. (2)look @ your local sun table and see what hours of sunlight your getting when it does bud and count backwards how much veg time you want(can realistically fit in) and plant then.
Ok thanks people... The Peacer thanks because you share you experiances with us... You say with PM you have some trouble with cloning? Interesting... Bajan thank to you but i think about that alredy, it seems even next season must be a test for the next one.... Ok guys. My personal opionion (don't wanna to spam me, or telling me that i am not right) is tha average MJ plant has one more variable to trigger flowering, and i think that is a increasin in day time. Bit of course it is not cruicial but i think beside the day lenght it is the more important (more important then a root bound, that for sure). I finally found some answers on net, i will post here. Thi is not my text, this is from one gentleman calling himself a "cres". I think he would not mind to copy/past that:
"I would like to inform growers on the difference between day neutral, photoperiod, and very light sensitive or semi auto...strains.
First lets talk about regular photoperiod strains... These are strains that when grown under 18hrs of light or more, completely stay in vegetative growth. You may or may not be able to tell the sex of these plants...but most likely not.
Now day neutral or automatic strains should show sex under 20hrs of light or more, in as little as 2-3 weeks. If after 4 weeks your not seeing the sex of the plant you might not be growing a completely day neutral strain. I know there maybe exception to this with haze...so thats a general statement.
All of the HighRise Strains currently listed are considered light sensitive...or very light sensitive some even labeled semi-auto.
So I have been asked many times..."what can I expect and how do I get a good outdoor start". So I have started this thread to help everyone get the best possible outside start. I will explain a simple indoor start(preferred) and an outdoor start.
Starting HighRise regular M/F seeds inside for a all female outdoor grow. After germinating place your seed into the typical 18oz cup or 4" pot. Place under good bright lights at 16-18hrs. DO NOT START ANY HIGHRISE GEAR UNDER 20 OR 24HS of light if your going to plant them outside.
IF YOU START UNDER 24HRS AND PUT OUTSIDE YOUR ASKING FOR TROUBLE. ALL WILL FLOWER AND THEN MOST WILL REVERT TO VEGETATIVE GROWTH.
Understanding light sensitive strains is very important, they react to the decrease in hours of light not how many hours of light. That is why very light sensitive strains have been grown from 55N down to 40' growing light sensitive strains below 40' latitude I don't have much feedback, but would think that they would flower very fast from seed. Use the outdoor light chart provided at the bottom of the page.
All HighRise strains will show sex under 18hrs of light around 4 weeks with good lighting indoors or outdoors. The males will show sex and continue to flower just like any day neutral variety. The FEMALES will also show sex(pistols) but will NOT go into flower, as soon as your plant shows sex, it should be planted outside weather permitting. You should plant before the summer solstice for best growth, as when the day light hours start to decrease you plant will soon start to flower.
Once again please do not start HighRise fems @ 20-24hrs of light and place them outside or they will flower and then revert into vegatative growth... You do not want this to happen it will fuck up your growth and your finish date."
I think this is valuable information, not a solution, but valuable information on which will be based test that i (and think some of us) gonna experiment. Good luck to me and you who are explore this phenomena to find a usable result and share here on the best canna forum. Cheers and stay high friends!
"I would like to inform growers on the difference between day neutral, photoperiod, and very light sensitive or semi auto...strains.
First lets talk about regular photoperiod strains... These are strains that when grown under 18hrs of light or more, completely stay in vegetative growth. You may or may not be able to tell the sex of these plants...but most likely not.
Now day neutral or automatic strains should show sex under 20hrs of light or more, in as little as 2-3 weeks. If after 4 weeks your not seeing the sex of the plant you might not be growing a completely day neutral strain. I know there maybe exception to this with haze...so thats a general statement.
All of the HighRise Strains currently listed are considered light sensitive...or very light sensitive some even labeled semi-auto.
So I have been asked many times..."what can I expect and how do I get a good outdoor start". So I have started this thread to help everyone get the best possible outside start. I will explain a simple indoor start(preferred) and an outdoor start.
Starting HighRise regular M/F seeds inside for a all female outdoor grow. After germinating place your seed into the typical 18oz cup or 4" pot. Place under good bright lights at 16-18hrs. DO NOT START ANY HIGHRISE GEAR UNDER 20 OR 24HS of light if your going to plant them outside.
IF YOU START UNDER 24HRS AND PUT OUTSIDE YOUR ASKING FOR TROUBLE. ALL WILL FLOWER AND THEN MOST WILL REVERT TO VEGETATIVE GROWTH.
Understanding light sensitive strains is very important, they react to the decrease in hours of light not how many hours of light. That is why very light sensitive strains have been grown from 55N down to 40' growing light sensitive strains below 40' latitude I don't have much feedback, but would think that they would flower very fast from seed. Use the outdoor light chart provided at the bottom of the page.
All HighRise strains will show sex under 18hrs of light around 4 weeks with good lighting indoors or outdoors. The males will show sex and continue to flower just like any day neutral variety. The FEMALES will also show sex(pistols) but will NOT go into flower, as soon as your plant shows sex, it should be planted outside weather permitting. You should plant before the summer solstice for best growth, as when the day light hours start to decrease you plant will soon start to flower.
Once again please do not start HighRise fems @ 20-24hrs of light and place them outside or they will flower and then revert into vegatative growth... You do not want this to happen it will fuck up your growth and your finish date."
I think this is valuable information, not a solution, but valuable information on which will be based test that i (and think some of us) gonna experiment. Good luck to me and you who are explore this phenomena to find a usable result and share here on the best canna forum. Cheers and stay high friends!
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hedgeraider
Member
My experience of semi autos is pretty broad. first one was in 18.6 for 5 months and never fully flowered. she was weak and huge with long thin buds full of big leaves and not that much flower.
Second one was in window, she didnt want to stay veg, she just budded for ages.
Next one was outdoors. 4 plants, 2 were super auto and 2 were half normal auto. the super auto did nicely, they flowered early but very gradually, about one month veg, one - 2 months barely any flowers, and one month not very agressive early flowering, just taking its fking time, making still leaves and floweres but was mold prone so chopped them in september half finished (planted in may)
The other 2 were very weird, they were codominant (thread here caled "a new kind of mutant" and they budded earler and more aggressively strong, they actually finished, they were half as small with twice as much bud and very strong too.
purple maroc, i had one in a cupboard that auto'd in long lightcycle, and then i put the lights down and she flowered like normal with a stem one inch across and about 100 grams of 10 percent THC weed. I love the cain though, a bit body stone, not all head.
She is airy, does weird stuff when she is flowering in long daylight, and needs short light to make most strong bud. i figure that she just half buds for 3 months if she is in long daylight and makes an annoynig shaped plant with floweres that come and then wither away and still always half leaf half bud allll the time for 3 months and no heavy thc. She needs big roots and planted about 5 months before picking.
On youtube there is a guy with 7 feet tall ones. i think he just put them out as big fat babies that didnt have small pots.
Second one was in window, she didnt want to stay veg, she just budded for ages.
Next one was outdoors. 4 plants, 2 were super auto and 2 were half normal auto. the super auto did nicely, they flowered early but very gradually, about one month veg, one - 2 months barely any flowers, and one month not very agressive early flowering, just taking its fking time, making still leaves and floweres but was mold prone so chopped them in september half finished (planted in may)
The other 2 were very weird, they were codominant (thread here caled "a new kind of mutant" and they budded earler and more aggressively strong, they actually finished, they were half as small with twice as much bud and very strong too.
purple maroc, i had one in a cupboard that auto'd in long lightcycle, and then i put the lights down and she flowered like normal with a stem one inch across and about 100 grams of 10 percent THC weed. I love the cain though, a bit body stone, not all head.
She is airy, does weird stuff when she is flowering in long daylight, and needs short light to make most strong bud. i figure that she just half buds for 3 months if she is in long daylight and makes an annoynig shaped plant with floweres that come and then wither away and still always half leaf half bud allll the time for 3 months and no heavy thc. She needs big roots and planted about 5 months before picking.
On youtube there is a guy with 7 feet tall ones. i think he just put them out as big fat babies that didnt have small pots.
