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dutch master penetrator, ok for organic?

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irie-i

i know theres been lots of discussion about this product, but i cant seem to find if anyone uses it on their organic crops. their website claims that foliar feeding without it is a waste, but people have been foliar feeding without for hundreds of years! i dont trust them...
 
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Guest

penetrator really does work,,i use folitech which has penetrator in it and the leaves absorb any foliar spray really quick ,,,

if your looking for a foliar nute just buy the folitech theres no need for penetrator then ,,,,,
if u can, get the max veg/flower boosters as well theyre awesome ,,
dutch masters is good stuff ,i highly reccomend it,, even without superbud u still get awesome results,,

i use it with canna coco nutes which aint fully organic but work great in combination with dutchmasters stuff
 
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irie-i

i make compost teas that work great.. but i just wanna know if penetrator is okay for organic.
 
darthvapor

darthvapor

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i used it for foliar feeding with botanicare pure blend and I mixed the botanicare at 1/3 strength and it burned the shit out of my plants. The guy at the store said its because I ph the solution before I sprayed it. He said just mix and spray next time. Sounds like bullshit to me tho. I since have switched to advanced nutes wett betty and it works much better, and they have an organic version available. Im a newbie so take the advice with a grain of salt as I am still learning myself.
 
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vonforne

I'm an organic grower and I have never heard of this product. By the site description I would not use it in organics. Besides that, they do not list ingredents. Do you know what the make up is? If it is organics you will be able to tell by the make up of the folir spray. The NPK are 0.006.0.0, with that I would assume that it is a nitrogen based spray but like I have stated it does not list ingredents. Could you post what they are?
 
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eVeR_Known

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Irie-I Dutch Master Its probably expensive and has an NPK of .006-0-0? If you want something to foilair with use Thrive Alive. This contains B1 a low NPK 1-1-1.5 (I think) and the green lable is organic. Plus contains ascophyllum nodosum an important a growth hormone. Anyway good luck!
 
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irie-i

wet betty and thrive alive are both different types of products than penetrator. wet betty is a wetting agent/surfactant. it decreases the surface tension of water (much like dish soap does) and will help to spread the nutes in the water and on the surface of the leaf.

thrive alive is b vitamins and hormones

dm penetrator is meant to help transfer the foliar fed nutes through the plant cells.

is it necessary? hard to say.
 
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pico

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I keep hearing on ICmag that Foliatech has penetrator in it. On my bottle it says to add penetrator with the foliatech. The guys at every hydro store I have asked have also said you need both. Where did you read that Foliatech has penetrator?
 
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Guest

Penetrator is supposed to be mixed with either the green top (grow) or the red top (bloom)Folitech. I use it every other day in grow and in bloom for the first three weeks. I can say that with proper use the Folitech system works good. It seems like the plants are ready 1-2 weeks earlier. So, if the plants are brought to full term (8-10 weeks) you do get an increase in yield.
 
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irie-i

slickster: penetrator is not a wetting agent, and there are organic wetting agents. soap for example. basic H is another.
this discussion has been ongoing now for a while. noone informed has answered the question. im not trying to harsh on people here, im stoked for the discussion. i still dont have my answer,
is dutch master penetrator ok for organics?
 
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