chinese-mecican
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I saw it at my hydro store about two weeks ago.
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Dutch Master Gold
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fatboycantpost
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i grow in soil, i've used many different nutes over the years. the hydro store pushed dutch master gold on me a couple weeks ago(i was a bit high). now i have no idea how to figure out how much to use.
using dutch master gold for veg, how many teaspoons of A and B would be considered max strength? if i can figure that out, i'll adjust accordingly for my seedlings when they need feeding.
help!!
using dutch master gold for veg, how many teaspoons of A and B would be considered max strength? if i can figure that out, i'll adjust accordingly for my seedlings when they need feeding.
help!!
I use Liquid Light & Penetrator early at 20% rate 2 to 3 times a week, slowly upping the rate to 50% as the plants grow into week 4 of bloom. By throughly wetting the leaves (top & bottom) and the whole plant several times a week, it not only helps the plants grow but also washes bugs away and kills any spores that may float onto the plant keeping them PM free ( I don't spray the blooms when they form).
fredflintstoned
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fatboy: Dutchmaster website has a really trick nute calculator.
stoneroad
Member
Yea so I have been working on a mother plant for about 3 months now and that girl is super healthy for the past month, with pruning and root pruning we feed 1000ppm every week and cut roughly 6-9 clones. She is about 5 feet tall with even node intervals and a lovely stock!
No liquid light or pentrator here just a, b, max, zone and silica.
No liquid light or pentrator here just a, b, max, zone and silica.
well on to yet another run with the dutch master gold. this nutrient is the shit.
currently I use
Dutchy Gold grow A+B
Dutchy Gold flower A+B
hygrozyme (for first two weeks to provide the enzyme the beneficial bacteria will put out once its established.)
ROOTs Organic ORegonism
Silica Blast
Aquasheild
roots excelurator(also first two weeks only)
and big bud powder (week 3 flower to week 7)
and now
ADD .27
we shall see what if it makes any improvements that a physically observable. funky looking stuff though
and these flowers were grown with dutch gold aswell
currently I use
Dutchy Gold grow A+B
Dutchy Gold flower A+B
hygrozyme (for first two weeks to provide the enzyme the beneficial bacteria will put out once its established.)
ROOTs Organic ORegonism
Silica Blast
Aquasheild
roots excelurator(also first two weeks only)
and big bud powder (week 3 flower to week 7)
and now
ADD .27
we shall see what if it makes any improvements that a physically observable. funky looking stuff though
and these flowers were grown with dutch gold aswell
a buddy of mine sells it to hydro stores and this is his advice " use everything 1/4 strength for a week, then half strength a week the full strength week 3". alot of guys getting curling or wilting going full on right away". i follwoed these directions and get amazing results. penetrator(now called saturator) should always be used full strength because of spaying during the lights on as suggested by dm. hands down the worlds leader in foliartechnology imvho.d
311
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Hello all. I have been using DM Gold for 1 year and have yet to have an easy grow. LOL. Most is probably my fault. Now I have listed my whole arsenal(nutrient and supplements) below, but before anyone says anything about me using ALL these products, know this.... I DO NOT USE ALL THESE PRODUCTS AT THE SAME TIME. LOL! I am wondering if anyone else has ever used any of the products(outside of DM) that I have listed below with DM products? Here is what I am currently using at this moment. I am doing my first soil/soilless grow. I am using Sunshine Organic Planting Mix(Soilless), I am on day 23 of flowering. When I used these products with my hydro grow I had no problems with actual nutrient deficiencies. Now that I'm using it in soil, I am having problems with deficiencies. I was told it was (N) deficiency. Then Cal/Mag Deficiency(so I bought Cal-Mag+), which would solve ALL the deficiencies I listed, because it contains, Cal/Mag and (N) with element traces. But it didn't solve it. Some plants look like they have Iron deficiency. Others look like nute burn, but not typical nute burn. It start anywhere on the leaves, it looks like rust, and it makes the leaves yellow, brown and dry. And it mainly attacked the older, lower fan leaves. I few lower, newer leaves on the branches(that look like fan leaves also. Not sure if they're called sugar leaves, or if they're fan leaves, and the ones that the flowers surround are sugar leaves) were burned also, but it was only about 3 leaves or so. The m,ain ones that got dameged and killed were the lower fan leaves. And it's making it's way up the plants. I flushed with Clearex about 6 days ago, and started feeding 2 days later and still, it has not slowed down burning. I fed at 1030 PPMs this last feeding, which is the highest I've gone in soil because 1500 PPM's seemed to give me little nute burn, and VERY DARK green leaves. Which I later found out that it was too high of nutes, which was why the leaves were soooooo dark green. Even after a 10 day flush, the leaves weren't turning yellow. They were still dark green. Now here is my CURRENT feeding chart. I add everything at a lower dosage obviously. I have broken everything down by gallons and in the order of the way I add/mix my recipe.
DM Gold Flower A (5ml)
Dm Gold Flower B (5ml)
DM MAX (2.5ml) {DM feeding chart says 4ml}
GH Liquid KoolBloom (1.25ml) {GH chart online says 2.5-5ml. Actual bottle says 5-10ml.}
GH Floralicious+ (1ml)
Botanicare Calmag+ (2.5ml) {Botanicare bottle says 5ml}
AN Bud Candy (8ml) {give or take. I'll round it off to the closest ml, when I mix a couple of gallons)
Fulvic Acid (15ml)
Hygrozyme (5ml) {I use to follow instructions and go 8-10 ml, but I've read ALOT of people saying that's just too much. So I decided to bring it down a notch. Most said half the dosage so I went with 5ml.}
And last I add DM Silica (2ml) I add this last to try to raise my pH a little. Though DM contradicts themselves on their website about their applying instructions. If u go by the Nutrient Calculator instructions. It says to add Silica, then Zone, then MAX, and the ur A&B. If u read the product instructions on their website(by clicking on the product), it says to add ur A&B then, MAX, then any additives(which they strongly advise against), then Silica, then always add Zone last. Not to mention that they have changed their Nute Calculator measurements 3 times this year. When I emailed them about the fact that why is it always changing. And that I couldn't go by their Calculator because I never got a close PPM reading, It's always different, they e-mailed me back saying someone else recently had e-mailed them with the same ????? and that he later e-mailed them saying that it was his meter that was broken. So I should check my meter. I e-mailed him back and told him I had 2 different TDS meters and both gave me same readings, he never e-mailed me back. I have 3 different feeding charts, printed out from DM website that are for the same gallons, and same PPM's, that I have been saving in case they ever try arguing with someone else that their recipe and/or products, have been changed in 1 was or another. All 3 have different measurements of nutes, for the same amount of water. So if they HAVEN'T changed their product, why would they alter their nutrient solution measurement, in the same amount of water, with the same exact products, and still get the SAME PPM . Not possible! But unfortunately I got a bunch of DM so I have to finish it off.
I later plan(4 weeks before harvest) to use Gravity, for 1 week. Followed by AN Overdrive for 2 weeks. The I use Clearex(just as a rinse), followed by Final Phase(for the actual flushing) for a 10-14 day flush. I also plan on not using Floralicious + in the next week or so, cause it contains some (N). And also stop using Hygrozyme at the same time cause, supposedly it breaks down (N), and makes it available, for the girls which is a no-no in late flowering(from my understanding). Now I started using ALL the products from day 1 of 12/12. I'm starting to think maybe I should have waited for week 4 to apply KoolBloom, and if I should have applied it at all! The guy at the Hydro shop claims he uses EVERYTHING I use. And I know it can be B.S. but I went on his thread and he's got some FINE ASS LADIES! And he's doing it big, Unlike me with my 6 girls. And he claims on HIS grow journal that he uses ALL these products I have listed. He even has a photo of his arsenal, and there's a bunch of stuff in the pic that he doesn't even list. So he's not lying about having it, and he claims he uses it, But I'm not there to see with my own eyes.
On 2 of the girls I did a little test and they seemed to like it. I did half 1/2 AN Bud Candy, and 1/2 Botanicare Sweet. One of them(Arjan's Haze #1) has Iron Def, I can't seem to fix, And the other one (Fuzzy Mango/ My own strain) has a little sign of Chlorosi(from early nute problems), but it's just a little and there's NO sign of ANY nute deficiencies anymore. None of that plants fan leaves were effected either, for some reason. It seemed to have like the recipe. The flowers are starting to com in nice too. But that's the only 1 of the girls that don't really seemed bothered by the recipe. Now I'm thinking of omitting the LiquidBloom from the recipe for now, so I can save the few original fan leaves(the one's that HAVEN'T been effected yet). Should I omit the Liquid KoolBloom? Has anyone ever used KoolBloom with DM Gold(though DM says NOT to use phosphate boosters). Isn't MAX like KoolBloom? If it is, should I omit the MAX and use the KoolBllom instead? Any help would be greatly appreciated. I will also add some pics so u can see the Def. (If u actually hold ur cursor, over attachments below, and don't actually click on the image link, it will show the pics, like they normally do, in this actual post. I don't know why it's not actually showin the pic in the post though.
Dutch Master Gold Grow A & B(2 Part Nutrient)
Dutch Master Gold Grow MAX(Performance Supplement)
Dutch Master Gold Flower A & B(2 Part Nutrient)
Dutch Master Gold Flower MAX(Performance Supplement)
Dutch Master Silica(Specialty Nutrient)
Dutch Master Zone(Root Zone Conditioner)
GH Liquid KoolBloom
GH Floralicious Plus
Fulvic Acid
Advanced Nutrients Overdrive
Advanced Nutrient Bud Candy(CarboLoad/Sweet Leaf) New product from AN
Advanced Nutrient Final Phase(Flushing Solution)
Botanicare Cal-Mag Plus
Botanicare Sweet(Berry and Grape)
Botanicare Clearex
Humboldt County's Own Gravity
Humboldt County's Own Sow Storm Ultra
Hygrozyme
DM Gold Flower A (5ml)
Dm Gold Flower B (5ml)
DM MAX (2.5ml) {DM feeding chart says 4ml}
GH Liquid KoolBloom (1.25ml) {GH chart online says 2.5-5ml. Actual bottle says 5-10ml.}
GH Floralicious+ (1ml)
Botanicare Calmag+ (2.5ml) {Botanicare bottle says 5ml}
AN Bud Candy (8ml) {give or take. I'll round it off to the closest ml, when I mix a couple of gallons)
Fulvic Acid (15ml)
Hygrozyme (5ml) {I use to follow instructions and go 8-10 ml, but I've read ALOT of people saying that's just too much. So I decided to bring it down a notch. Most said half the dosage so I went with 5ml.}
And last I add DM Silica (2ml) I add this last to try to raise my pH a little. Though DM contradicts themselves on their website about their applying instructions. If u go by the Nutrient Calculator instructions. It says to add Silica, then Zone, then MAX, and the ur A&B. If u read the product instructions on their website(by clicking on the product), it says to add ur A&B then, MAX, then any additives(which they strongly advise against), then Silica, then always add Zone last. Not to mention that they have changed their Nute Calculator measurements 3 times this year. When I emailed them about the fact that why is it always changing. And that I couldn't go by their Calculator because I never got a close PPM reading, It's always different, they e-mailed me back saying someone else recently had e-mailed them with the same ????? and that he later e-mailed them saying that it was his meter that was broken. So I should check my meter. I e-mailed him back and told him I had 2 different TDS meters and both gave me same readings, he never e-mailed me back. I have 3 different feeding charts, printed out from DM website that are for the same gallons, and same PPM's, that I have been saving in case they ever try arguing with someone else that their recipe and/or products, have been changed in 1 was or another. All 3 have different measurements of nutes, for the same amount of water. So if they HAVEN'T changed their product, why would they alter their nutrient solution measurement, in the same amount of water, with the same exact products, and still get the SAME PPM . Not possible! But unfortunately I got a bunch of DM so I have to finish it off.
I later plan(4 weeks before harvest) to use Gravity, for 1 week. Followed by AN Overdrive for 2 weeks. The I use Clearex(just as a rinse), followed by Final Phase(for the actual flushing) for a 10-14 day flush. I also plan on not using Floralicious + in the next week or so, cause it contains some (N). And also stop using Hygrozyme at the same time cause, supposedly it breaks down (N), and makes it available, for the girls which is a no-no in late flowering(from my understanding). Now I started using ALL the products from day 1 of 12/12. I'm starting to think maybe I should have waited for week 4 to apply KoolBloom, and if I should have applied it at all! The guy at the Hydro shop claims he uses EVERYTHING I use. And I know it can be B.S. but I went on his thread and he's got some FINE ASS LADIES! And he's doing it big, Unlike me with my 6 girls. And he claims on HIS grow journal that he uses ALL these products I have listed. He even has a photo of his arsenal, and there's a bunch of stuff in the pic that he doesn't even list. So he's not lying about having it, and he claims he uses it, But I'm not there to see with my own eyes.
On 2 of the girls I did a little test and they seemed to like it. I did half 1/2 AN Bud Candy, and 1/2 Botanicare Sweet. One of them(Arjan's Haze #1) has Iron Def, I can't seem to fix, And the other one (Fuzzy Mango/ My own strain) has a little sign of Chlorosi(from early nute problems), but it's just a little and there's NO sign of ANY nute deficiencies anymore. None of that plants fan leaves were effected either, for some reason. It seemed to have like the recipe. The flowers are starting to com in nice too. But that's the only 1 of the girls that don't really seemed bothered by the recipe. Now I'm thinking of omitting the LiquidBloom from the recipe for now, so I can save the few original fan leaves(the one's that HAVEN'T been effected yet). Should I omit the Liquid KoolBloom? Has anyone ever used KoolBloom with DM Gold(though DM says NOT to use phosphate boosters). Isn't MAX like KoolBloom? If it is, should I omit the MAX and use the KoolBllom instead? Any help would be greatly appreciated. I will also add some pics so u can see the Def. (If u actually hold ur cursor, over attachments below, and don't actually click on the image link, it will show the pics, like they normally do, in this actual post. I don't know why it's not actually showin the pic in the post though.
Dutch Master Gold Grow A & B(2 Part Nutrient)
Dutch Master Gold Grow MAX(Performance Supplement)
Dutch Master Gold Flower A & B(2 Part Nutrient)
Dutch Master Gold Flower MAX(Performance Supplement)
Dutch Master Silica(Specialty Nutrient)
Dutch Master Zone(Root Zone Conditioner)
GH Liquid KoolBloom
GH Floralicious Plus
Fulvic Acid
Advanced Nutrients Overdrive
Advanced Nutrient Bud Candy(CarboLoad/Sweet Leaf) New product from AN
Advanced Nutrient Final Phase(Flushing Solution)
Botanicare Cal-Mag Plus
Botanicare Sweet(Berry and Grape)
Botanicare Clearex
Humboldt County's Own Gravity
Humboldt County's Own Sow Storm Ultra
Hygrozyme
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Hazyfontazy
your totally overdoing it ,way to much shit for the plants to use ,your feeding them as if they were a 14 year old on his first ever munchies session ,gold is supposed to be used with the gold additives and thats it ,goto dutchmasyters site and use their gold calculator ,u should be ok then
311
Member
Dude u can't go by the Dutch Calculator. Please read my WHOLE post so u understan. I have used their chart. I still use it as a guideline.
that bold is offensive to the eyes, wtf
311
Member
PLEASE READ MY POST BEFORE COMMENTING ON HOW I USE TOO MUCH STUFF, JUST BECAUSE U SEE ALL THE PRODUCTS I LISTED. HALF OF THEM I DON'T EVEN USE! IF U READ MY POST AND DON'T SKIM THRU U'LL UNDERSTAND. PPL I'm not saying I'm not overdoing it, but it's clear that the last person did NOT read my post or the would have read the part of me e-mailing DM about their 3 changes in measurements in the last year. I'm not trying to be an A-hole. Please don't take this post that way. But after the whole paragraph about DM's measurement change and me calling them out, why would someone say use the Calculator when I claim that their Calculator changes frequently. To me that just shows he read what he wanted to read. Now had he said, Dude stop using the KoolBloom because I used it and it messed my plants up. That's what I'm looking for. Hell DM don't even have any CARBS in their nutes, so should I stop using Bud Candy too? I mean come on. EVERYONE TWEEKS their recipe. So please, read my post, before commenting. I DO WANT HELP, BUT IF I WANTED TO HEAR, Go by the calculator, I would have kept on using the original formula/recipe that DM lists. Which if u look in my stock I have all the DM products, It wasn't producing any nice yields so I decided to add stuff, that a PRO grower recommended. Wheter he was right, I don't know. What I've learned in the last year of growing is what works for person might be another persons garden nightmare. I actually learned that first hand with GH FloraNectar. I know a bunch of p[eople who use it in the same system I used it, but with same nutes, and they were successful. Me I used it a 1/2 strength and it turned my roots to straight black gook. Almost killed my whole harvest off. Some people HATE AN Bud Candy, I WOULD SPONSOR IT IF I COULD. I LOVE THE STUFF. Some people says it does nothing. I disagree. They have their proof, and I have mine. As i said someone else uses this same recipe with their grows with GREAT success. I don't understand how he gets away with it? Unfortunately, I can't trust him to bring him to my house. THAT'S A NO-NO! So once again, I apologize if I'm coming off rude, it just seems people are quick to comment without even really paying attention to the post, and it gets under my skin. Especially when I took the time to read this WHOLE thread. Not skim thru it. And I didn't see one person claim they used the WHOLE DM recipe that I have. AS a matter of fact it seems that every person who listed their recipe had their own little twist to their recipe. I saw people using other flowering supplements, besides MAX. My original post was targeted to the people who have been posting here speaking of their different recipes in conjuction with DM Gold, cause thru their experience they might help me. Not someone telling me something about K.I.S.S. I kept it simple, and didn't get the yield I should have. So decided to tweek my recipe. I even read on one of these posts where people are saying to use Hygrozyme with Zone, and how much success they have. Zone and Hygrozyme do the same EXACT thing EXCEPT Zone KILLS beneficials, where as to Hygrozyme helps create beneficials. So why would u use something that something else is gonna X it out??????? But people claim to have success! My point is this, in the long run. I listed my products so people new what ALL I had to use, IF I SO CHOSE TO USE THEM. As I stated, I don't even use HALF of my products. So please if u have any good advice, send it my way. But if ur gonna tell me to read or go by the DM calculator, don't waste ur time, cause even if I wasn't using these extra supplements and I went with DM's recipe, I still wouldn't go by their Calculator 100%, cause the PPM's are never right! I know their website like the back of my hand, and u would know that had u read my post! I even state on their how DM ADVISES AGAINST ADDING SUPPLEMENTS AND PHOSPHORUS BOOSTERS. So if u would of have read my post and saw ALL these things I stated about DM u would have figured out on ur own that I HAVE INDEED READ DM's website, and not have wasted ur time writing something I could and have done on my own. I know those who take the time to read my last post, then the first response, to my popst, then this post will understand. the only objectors will be the one's that LOVE to argue and out people down on here, as if their master growers and their way is the ONLY/RIGHT way! To all that understand why I just had to vent this way I thank u for being understanding, for all those who think I am wrong save ur argument for someone else. I will not feed into any negativity, so keep it 2 urself! Thanks and once again I'm not trying to offend or piss anyone off. Just want the info I'm looking for not something as obvious as just go by their website recipe. Thanks again!
311
Member
I actually had copied and pasted my recipe from another post, and I had it in that Font. Offense though? And actually it's not in bold. The font is called Arial Black, but it's not in bold. See what I mean people. This is why I HATE comin in these forums. It's people normally being a-hole. LMFAO! So let me ask u this. U say Bold(even though it wasn't in bold. Now my post below...... THAT'S IN BOLD! I understand that the lettering style(otherwise known as font is thicker than the normal font which is called Vedana, but I would think that u asking me WTF(and u know what WTF stands for) is more offensive then my writing my recipe in a thicker tan average font. LMFAO! I think it's funny man. Just for the record I wasn't trying to be offensive. So if u took offense, I'm sorry but don't address someone u think is being offensive by being offensive urself. Or is it OK only when u do it. I think I already see where it was a mistake even trying to post, and get some info I WANTED!
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Craven_au
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Snow white day 12 Flower
Snow white day 12 Flower
Switch over to over to the DM GOLD flower 6 days ago at 1100ppm ph 5.8 Did notes growth the next day.
Was using Growth technology optimum for veg + epsom salts
I've started to see some yellowing in the top shade leaves its still growing so i bumped up the ppm to 1400 ph 5.6 the other day.
Do u guys think i should go higher or add epsom salts?
(I have soft tap water ph 7)
(up date) Most likely the yellowing was caused by the light being to close, i did add some Epsom salts seems to be working but i belive i switch to the flower nutrients to soon next time i will switch at 1-2 weeks into flower.
Snow white day 12 Flower
Switch over to over to the DM GOLD flower 6 days ago at 1100ppm ph 5.8 Did notes growth the next day.
Was using Growth technology optimum for veg + epsom salts
I've started to see some yellowing in the top shade leaves its still growing so i bumped up the ppm to 1400 ph 5.6 the other day.
Do u guys think i should go higher or add epsom salts?
(I have soft tap water ph 7)
(up date) Most likely the yellowing was caused by the light being to close, i did add some Epsom salts seems to be working but i belive i switch to the flower nutrients to soon next time i will switch at 1-2 weeks into flower.
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medi-useA
Just got DM silica...added it yesterday to the rez...will see what she looks like tonight...
I'm using canna nutes @ the moment...my last plant was grown/flowered with DM nutes in DWC...Unfortunately I had fluctuating ph probs all through the grow...not blaming DM nutes...other things contributed, but to iron out the 'kinks' I went back to a known performer, IME.
Still intend to try DM nutes, the gold range, next time...after I tweak my grow...
muA
I'm using canna nutes @ the moment...my last plant was grown/flowered with DM nutes in DWC...Unfortunately I had fluctuating ph probs all through the grow...not blaming DM nutes...other things contributed, but to iron out the 'kinks' I went back to a known performer, IME.
Still intend to try DM nutes, the gold range, next time...after I tweak my grow...
muA
YouGrowBoy
Member
I've had good luck with the whole DM Gold line with Zone and Silica added as recommended. I'm now experimenting with using a bud booster with it for the last 3 weeks. According to DM it's not needed and may actually hinder the process. We'll see.
christen23
Member
Pending of the "Bud Booster" being used it should help in ALL cases, I have usend MANY different lines of nutes, and my all time favorite is DM Glold, For Veg I use Penetrator + Liquid Light, A & B, Zone, For flower I use the Max flower, Silica, Zone, A & B of course, and then I use Bloombastic, It seems to make the flowers denser and for sure heavier, I also use sweet just because i have alot of it left.. I used to always have nute deff ALWAYS. but with DM gold i have yet to have any type of Nute Deff in hydro using DM Gold, Take it easy guys, peace
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