Dutch Dog Diary + Lemon N Lime Jones Report

[Disso]

((Nevil Haze x Mango Haze) x G13 Haze) x (SSH x Chem D) - Connoisseur Genetics
-Nevil Haze x Mango Haze (From old Mr Nice seed stock) x Soma's G13 Haze male AKA Nevil The G - "Virtually zero indica influence'
-Super Silver Chemdog Haze from RezRat (Old Reservoir Seeds release)

Hey guys, been lurking for a while but time to get active!

I’ve been wanting to wet these seeds for a few years but life threw me a few curveballs so had to be patient.
Unfortunately I didn’t refrigerate the seeds due to circumstances and being at least a few years old, only had 5/10 germinate, which I take full fault for the germ rate. One seed was very weak and runty and took nearly to 2 weeks to break the soil surface. It quickly ran out of steam and died after only a couple days, so we are left with 4 plants now. The show must go on!
One of the 4 actually self topped at the very first node and is a bit behind the others as a result, which is new for me. There is just a little green nub where it would normally grow and its now split into two main braches, love seeing how nature finds a way to adapt.

They are about 11 days since breaking soil surface in this pic. Also a bonus pic of a finished Lemon n Lime Jones, which I got as a freebie with the Dutch Dog.
I believe the seedbank stated each Connoisseur Genetics pack came with a Lemon n Lime jones fem seed as a freebie, although it was just labeled 'fem freebie'. I had space when I received it and grew it immediately.
It was a nice vigorous plant, finished in about 9.5-10 weeks flower, roughly 2x stretch. Had a nice herbaceous lemon nose on her, like lemongrass with a bit of sweet and sour funk in the background. Not crazy loud but definitely enjoyable. Effects were balanced with a relatively heavy body and left me mentally spaced out, hard to focus type buzz. Good for watching a film in the evening.

Maybe @ojd can chime in and see if he can confirm or otherwise identify the freebie.

Been on the lookout for a good haze after I tried SSH on vacation in Vancouver many years ago and having never tried a good haze prior, it blew my mind! I remember it distinctly, euphoric and soaring, special stuff.
Hoping this Dutch Dog can match or even exceed that, Lets find out!

 

[Creeperpark]

((Nevil Haze x Mango Haze) x G13 Haze)
X (Super Silver haze x Chemdog)

Hey guys, been lurking for a while but time to get active!

I’ve been wanting to wet these seeds for a couple years but life threw me a few curveballs so had to be patient.
Unfortunately I didn’t refrigerate the seeds and being a few years old only had 5/10 germinate, however this obviously is no fault of the breeder. One seed was very weak and runty and took nearly to 2 weeks to break the soil surface. It quickly ran out of steam and died after only a couple days, so we are left with 4 plants now. But the show must go on!
One of the 4 actually self topped at the very first node and is a bit behind the others as a result, that’s a new one for me! There is just a little green nub where the apical shoot would normally grow and its now split into two main shoots, love seeing how nature finds a way to adapt.

They are roughly 10-12 days since breaking soil surface in this pic. Also a bonus pic of a finished (what i believe is) Lemon n Lime Jones, which i got as a freebie with the dutch dog.

If I remember correctly the seedbank (caveman seeds, no longer in business) stated each connoisseur pack came with a Lemon n Lime jones fem seed as a freebie. I had space for it and grew it immediately so this picture is a couple years old now but it was a nice vigorous plant. Finished in about 9.5 weeks flower, not too much stretch either. Had a nice herbaceous lemon nose on her, kinda like lemongrass with a bit of sweetness in the background. Not crazy loud but definitely enjoyable. Effects were relatively heavy and spacey, not good daytime/working weed but good for or watching a film in the evening.
Maybe @ojd can chime in and see if he can confirm or otherwise identify the freebie. I’m also curious, which Chemdog was used in the SSCDH? Chem D?

I will keep updating as the Dutch Dog’s progress.
Been on the lookout for a good haze after i tried SSH on vacation in Vancouver many years ago and it kinda blew my mind having never really tried a good haze or true sativa prior. Hoping this Dutch Dog can match or even exceed that! Lets find out!

Thanks for the post friend. Keep us updated.

 

[Maria Sanchez]

Thanks for sharing, @Disso
Please keep the updates and pics coming!

 

[Disso]

Little update. Still early stages so nothing particularly exciting but figured i’d check in anyway.

The little seedling that self topped at the first node. It got stunted pretty hard from dealing with this at such a young age and is well behind the others but i’m gonna keep it around as I suspect that when run from clone it would probably have perfectly fine vigor. It was a weird one right from the get go but sometimes those are the best, it has a noticeable grapefruit zest to it whenever i touch it, more pronounced aroma than the others.

Noticing a lot of interesting leaf morphology in these seeds, actually been quite fun checking it all out. Always an interesting looking leaf i hadn’t spotted before. Bit of variagation and some curving, twisting, and other oddities.

I’m about 99.9% sure this leaf grew this way with a hole in it, despite it maybe looking like something took a bite out of it. Notice the strange morphology at the tip too. It tends to fold over a little so i had to hold it flat to show the hole properly. In my experience the plants will grow out of all of these besides maybe the variegation which i’m not worried about anyway.

I had trouble getting these plants out of their small starter cups when i went to transplant them, it was like the roots were stuck to the cup, making it very hard to release cleanly. Never experienced that before, and it seemed to piss the plants off a little bit, fair enough! Nothing major though, back to business as usual after a few days. I will be topping the bigger ones in the next day or two, just wanted them to settle into the transplant first. Hopefully the little one can catch up a bit.

Nice 7 blade leaves for a young plant, 9 blades on their way in. And a different pheno with a nice sheen to its leaves.

 

[Disso]

Little bit more info for anyone curious:
-Growing in DIY organic soil mix based on Clackamas Coot's recipe (shoutout to Jim) and adapted a bit to local availability. I'll be keeping it pretty simple with mainly water only, besides a bit of yucca and liquid mycorrhizae when transplanting. I will be topdressing a little malted and milled organic barley every week or two mainly for the enzymes and chitin. Bit of worm castings/kelp/soft-rock phosphate/microbes in flower too.
-Starting under a 100w full spectrum LED in my bedroom, nice and humble lol.
-Soon will be moving to 1.2x1.2m (4x4 ft for my Americans) tent under a 480w full spectrum LED to finish veg and to flower.

 

[Maria Sanchez]

Looking great, there, @Disso !
Keep us updated, please.

 

[ojd]

Hi bro

Nice log il be along for the ride.

Not sure on the freebies as Sent different freebie for orders every drop with caveman.
but could be either Lemon N Lime Jones ( Casey heavy pheno) or maybe Dead chem Head ( Chem d x Chemdog bx2 Male x Casey Jones) from your description.

 

[woolybear]

Awesome!

 

[Disso]

5 weeks since they broke the soil, everything looking pretty good but i’ve noticed the DD’s don’t like being in relatively small pots. Hoped I could keep them small and healthy until they showed sex but no luck.
I’ve also been topping the 3 bigger plants numerous times in an effort to let the small one catch up which has helped quite a lot.
They don’t like being transplanted too much either and had i known prior i’d probably have gone straight from their small starter pots to large final pots and skipped the 4.7L intermediate pots. Nothing too major, just noticed a bit of yellowing of leaf tips following transplant just like the first time. Pretty healthy over all though. Usually plants in my garden show basically no transplant stress, but seems the DD’s like to be pampered. I’ll do my best to indulge them!

If they had shown sex sooner or grown slower, i could have put the females in bigger final pots. Instead I had to go with 30L (8 gallon) pots for the two more hungry plants, and 22L’s for the slower ones, due to limitations on how much soil I have at the moment. They had 2 days to recover from transplant before 12/12. They’ve just finished their first day of flower.

Pics from late veg-start of flower

 

[Disso]

Today we sadly say goodbye to Dutch Dog #3 (pictured front right of the tent in the fabric pot pics). This was the plant showing majority of the mutations, such as the hole in the leaf, strange atypical and asymmetrical leaf morphology, as well as the most variegation.
The last week i noticed a lower branch with weird new growth.. It’s all beaten up looking and kinda crispy with the tips severely curled. What’s strange is this is totally isolated to one small lower branch on this #3 plant, besides a tiny bit of it on a single upper leaf on the same plant, but totally different branch. The rest of the plant growth looks totally normal and healthy.

I thought it was odd but since it was so isolated wasn’t too concerned. Figured perhaps it was a weird reaction to wanting more soil volume and would hopefully resolve itself, but today (Day 4 flower) i’ve discovered a little PM on two of its leaves as well. What’s odd is these aren’t overlapping leaves, there’s plenty of airflow in the tent, and a steady 55-65% RH which is perfect for the stretch phase. I’ve been closely monitoring the environment with remote sensors and everything has been in check.

All other plants are totally fine PM wise and show less mutations.. leading me to believe this #3 is a bit of a reject genetically speaking and extra susceptible at least to PM. Edit: Read next update regarding PM.
I don’t want to take chances especially given that it seems a bit out of my control. This #3 was giving me major male vibes anyway although it hadn’t shown sex yet. I removed and killed it immediately as I don’t want it to potentially spread to the others. C’est La Vie.

In other news, #4 (the runt that self topped at the first node) is showing some tri-leaf growth, but what’s curious is that this is only expressing on one main branch, the two other dominant branches show the typical bilateral growth patterns.
#1 and 2 are both starting to show female preflowers and looking pretty good overall with pretty typical and healthy growth, besides the occasional spot of variegation. Hopefully no more weird issues in this tent!

 

[Disso]

Day 20/21 mark since flipping to flower.
The plants took about a week to properly transition to flower, but have started to pump since taking off.
Smooth sailing, although my LED has started to have issues in the last week and I was forced to run it at a lower power whilst working on a fix. Should be sorted within the next few days. Nothing major, but the plants have obviously missed the full light intensity during the later part of stretch.

A quick note regarding the supposed PM i found on the #3; I since discovered there was some mineralization on some plant stands i was using as a door stopper, just the white salt/mineral type residue from tap water evaporating. So in fairness to OJD, some of this mineralization could have easily gotten on my hands as i touched the stands every time i went into the garden, and then wiped it on a couple leaves without me realizing, mimicking powdery mildew. I certainly cannot rule it out.

Oh and before I forget, #4 was a male, and has gotten the boot since his reveal, leaving us with DD1 and DD2, which coincidentally were the two most vigorous and healthy plants in veg. Would have liked at least one or two more females but that’s not the way it worked out.

Now for a few pics! DD1 back left, DD2 back right, and I threw in a couple little plants from a Romulan cross, in a single 45L pot, just trying to fill out the space. I’ll keep this thread focused on the Dutch Dogs however.

And a little bonus pic of the #4 male before it got kicked out the club, think it was around day 14 or so.

 

[Disso]

Day 28 of 12/12, about to head into week 5. They’re still stretching and I’m currently feeling very pleased with my decision to flip them small, as they’ve easily tripled in size. Still have a bit of headroom if necessary.

Everything looking good, starting to get a little bit of frost and smell beginning to pick up, although still early days, these are gonna take a good 12 weeks or so by my estimation.

I noticed when I went to supercrop (snap necks) an extra tall cola on the DD2, the stems despite not being particularly girthy, are so strong and solid!
Compared to all my previous super cropping experience, it took SO much time and effort to soften up the stem and get it bent over properly.
This is my first time using the malted barley, and in the first KIS Organics podcast with Clackamas Coot, he mentions when he used the barley, noticing really sturdy and strong plants, so perhaps i’m seeing that too, but could just be top notch genetics who knows!

Got the faulty light fixed now too. I can tell based on the colas in the centre of the tent which still got a pretty good amount of light the entire time, it did affect the node spacing and stretch on the outsides of the tent a bit (wider and taller). Won’t affect quality, just might not stack or yield quite as hard around the edges, but I’m not too worried, as they still seem like they will be very productive.

Family pic, DD1 on the left, DD2 on the right. The Romulan cross in front is 2.5 weeks behind for anyone curious, i’m aiming to roughly sync up its harvest with the Dutch Dogs. Stark contrast between sativa and indica in this tent!

Dutch Dog #1 (DD1)

Dutch Dog #2 (DD2)

Tomorrow they will get their last topdress of barley and a mix of kelp/castings/calphos/beneficial microbes, and from there on the show should really begin. Got a good feeling about this run.

 

[Disso]

Day 37 of Flower (12/12)
Seems they’re done stretching, haven’t had much extra height beyond day 30.
Ended up at an absolutely perfect height for my space, I think I did a good job planning things but also got lucky in a sense regarding phenos/stretchyness.

Family pic, even got the Romulan X out the way for you guys

DD1:
Currently is looking a bit chunkier, chunkier buds, chunkier stems, slightly shorter, and has a cedar wood aroma with sweet backend. It has one clearly variegated leaf with a funky hook shaped tip, and i notice a few other hook shape leaves elsewhere on the plant but no variegation. Other leaves are very reminiscent of SSH and Nevils Hz I’ve seen online. I know Chem D is known for variegation, so I wonder if that’s where that is coming from. A lot of inbred haze genetics in the mix too so who knows.

DD2:
Looks like it has just a little more haze influence to me, just a little more NLD looking overall, although up the top of the colas both phenos pretty much have pencil thin fan leaves. It has a sweet kind of under-ripe mango smell with a little something extra that’s hard to put my finger on.. a bit like a slightly creamy slightly sour melon type thing. Not watermelon but more like a honeydew or rockmelon (cantaloupe).

I’ve staked the DD2 after taking pics, and will either stake or lazy scrog (just scrog to support rather than train) DD1 in the coming days.

Cannot wait for harvest.. I’ve been out of homegrown for months now and the only other stuff I can find locally is total shwag.
As a medical grower/user, it really makes me appreciate having the ability to grow my own meds. Big pharma can suck my wang, and so can the local black market, bunch of clowns living in the stoneage, pumping out the most mediocre, mouldy, under-ripe shwag. The lack of passion and honor is palpable. And the legal medical stuff here isn’t much better either, bunch of dry ass, stale ass irradiated shwag shipped from across the world. Unaffordable and dysfunctional medical system anyway, much better to take matters into your own hands. Govt here subsidises pharmaceuticals but taxes medical cannabis, cocksuckers.
Just the act of growing cannabis is healing in itself, not to mention actually consuming the plant.

Anyways.. rant over. Think I've been reading too many Tom Hill posts and he's rubbing off on me a little bit hahah. Felt good to get that off my chest I can't lie. Be back in roughly a week for another update.

 

[Maria Sanchez]

Blessed be the home-grower, for they shall find healing.

Beautiful flowers there @Disso
And as for your rant, I hear ya, I hear ya.

"Just the act of growing cannabis is healing in itself, not to mention actually consuming the plant."
Amen.

 

[Disso]

Day 46 of flower -
Switching to 11/13 tomorrow from 12/12.

Everything going pretty smooth, got em all staked up, and ended up doing a little extra topdress of worm castings and barley as I’m noticing they’re getting just a touch hungry and we’ve still got a good 5 weeks or so to go.

Just seeing the limitations of relatively big plants in 30L pots is all. It’s nothing major but I got a feeling I could get these things to blow up on a clone run in bigger pots and hopefully no faulty light issues.
I usually like to run 45L pots especially from clone or fem seed, but had to go with 30L’s for this run. The extra soil just makes things way easier in water only organic soil, and you can drive em hard with high light intensity.

With that being said these things are getting pretty plump and will be no slouch in the yield department. I’ve had em pumping pretty hard at 800-1000 PPFD across the canopy at 12/12, but now moving to 11/13 schedule will ease the DLI off a lil bit.

Smells:
DD1 still has a woody scent but its moved from distinctively sweet cedar smelling to a less distinguishable woody smell with some spicyness starting to develop in place of the sweetness.
DD2 has continued down the fruity path and is somewhere between green mango and sweet papaya right now, just delicious and overall a bit more pungent than DD1.

DD1:

DD2:

For anybody following along, I was considering getting a small bar fridge with temp control for storing my dried flower. It gets a bit hot here especially in summer and I suspect it really accelerates degradation at room temp. I’ve seen in some other threads people actually freezing their dried flower to preserve it for long term storage, so figured a fridge would be a nice middle ground. Was thinking 16 degrees celcius max but considering lower, just a little unsure. If anyone has any experience or ideas regarding this please let me know. Cheers!

 

[GMT]

Depends on how much bud you'll have really. You can get those mini fridges to keep beers in. I've got one. Think mine was about £40. They're handy but cause an annoying hum, so best not for a bedroom, which is what I bought mine for , but they do keep things

 

[Disso]

Depends on how much bud you'll have really. You can get those mini fridges to keep beers in. I've got one. Think mine was about £40. They're handy but cause an annoying hum, so best not for a bedroom, which is what I bought mine for , but they do keep things

Good intel, thanks dude. Does yours have temperature control? If so what do you have it set to? Or does it just run at a standard fridge temperature (around 4 degrees celsius I think?)

Obviously the colder it is the better it will be preserved but I saw @StickyBandit saying he found his flower much harsher after freezing and I'm not looking to preserve it for ages anyway, just around 1 year.
I was hoping to find a middle ground temperature wise, where I hopefully avoid that harshness and also don't need to worry as much about condensation forming when you take a jar out of the fridge.
Now that I've tagged ya, you got any thoughts on this topic Sticky?

 

[GMT]

No temp control on mine, unless you count an on/off switch. It keeps them cool in the hot summer, and cold in the cooler winter, so I'd guess it's just dropping things down by a steady amount. Like I said though, mines a cheap one, spend more and I'm sure you'll get better features.

 

[StickyBandit]

Good intel, thanks dude. Does yours have temperature control? If so what do you have it set to? Or does it just run at a standard fridge temperature (around 4 degrees celsius I think?)

Obviously the colder it is the better it will be preserved but I saw @StickyBandit saying he found his flower much harsher after freezing and I'm not looking to preserve it for ages anyway, just around 1 year.
I was hoping to find a middle ground temperature wise, where I hopefully avoid that harshness and also don't need to worry as much about condensation forming when you take a jar out of the fridge.
Now that I've tagged ya, you got any thoughts on this topic Sticky?

From memory it was the fridge that the weed got harsher in, we never tried freezing but word is freezing brings it out the same as it went in, providing you suck or squeeze most of the air out. If you have large amounts of weed cobbing is a good way to store if you're happy to grind it to expand it for use (or chew it). Gets better with age. We found aging indica about 2 months was good and Sativa about 4 to 6 months if stored in a cool place in an air tight paint bucket with not much air space or in a plastic zip lock bag, but there are specialized bags available that work better.

 

[Disso]

Day 55 Flower, just shy of 8 weeks. DD1 back left, DD2 back right, and you guys are stuck with the Romulan cross photoboming these family pics as its a bit too big for me to move now

Been on 11/13 and actually turned the LED down to 80% for the last week or so, as I don’t want to fry the tops and we’re playing just a touch of catchup in the nutrient department. I’ve topdressed a little more castings/barley/gypsum but have zero room left in the pots so that’ll have to do it!

There should be a good amount of slow release nutrients trickling in over time but as I said we’re just a tiny bit behind the 8 ball at this stage. In hindsight I would’ve backed the lights off a bit earlier in these 30L pots, but they didn’t seem very nutrient hungry in veg so thought I’d try push em pretty hard and adjust as needed. Turns out they found their appetite in flower, especially the DD1. Now at aprox 600-800 PPFD across the canopy.

With that being said don’t be alarmed guys! They are doing great, I’m just dedicated to honing my craft and think a lot can be learned from being hard on yourself and open and honest about imperfections. Always learning, always improving (although not always linear), never stagnant. That is my modus operandi.

DD1: Complex woody, floral, slightly sweet, slightly spicy (seems to be more spicy on different days.. weird!). Not particularly loud.

DD2: Sweet mango and funky/sour papaya backend. Very delicious, bit stronger smelling than DD1 but nothing crazy. It’s definitely picking up as they age though.

PS, thanks for your input on the fridge flower preservation guys. I think I'm gonna go with a small wine cooler that you can adjust the temp on, and set it to 16 celsius for curing, then drop down to around 10 degrees for longer term, post-cure storage. 15.5 C (60 F) is supposedly the ideal temp for curing, but as for the long term temp, I'm a bit less sure on and will probably do some trial and error at different temps starting at 10.