dun dun dun... hermmies :( WHAT to do and HOW to salvage

[bardledoo]

So the nightmare everyone dreads came true recently.... our ~4 week flowered girls are herming(showing nanners and small seeds) Before I give all the background and specifics, these are the couple questions:

- Given the stage (just now starting 5th week of flower), how fucked are we? Is all the energy gonna go to seed production, thus halting any more bud and resin growth? Or can we still hope for some juicy buds with just an above average amount of seeds?

- Our veg tent is right next to our flower tent

That veg tent is supposed to flip to flower in a couple weeks.

How likely is the flower tent full of herms to pollinate the veg tent?

Is a herm only able to pollinate if it develops male flowers, or will nanners pollinate too? So many questions on this issue, but these are the essentials...

We're basically trying to figure out at which point we cut our losses and cut everything down... or just cut the flower tent to prevent it from pollinating the veg tent...

Anyway, here is the background...

The flower tent was vegged for a little over a month in a bedroom with semi light leaks. I thought maybe the light leak in veg caused it, but then i read somewhere that plants wont herm from light leaks until its in flower. Its been flowering in this tent the whole time though which should be 100% light leak proof. About 2 weeks ago I noticed some wilted/browning hairs that we just thought were foliar spray burns...A few days ago we noticed more wilted/browning hairs, spurratic small nanners and some tiny seed pods in different strains. The only other stressors I could think of is brief heat (high 80s) high humidity (75%) and the last bit of de-foliation for SCROG training a few days before noticing the herm traits. I noticed the wilted/burnt pistils almost a week before any sign of nanners. Is it more likey that (a)I have a male flower somewhere in the room hiding, (b)that these self pollinated from stress, or (c) that these were pollinated from outside air??


Here's a pic of one of the seeds....


Here's just some pics of the room itself and how big the nugs are and such....



Lastly, if we do have to salvage...... how does BHO from a hermie plant turn out?

Thanks for any advice in advance guys, really unfortunate to see these problems, would love someone with experience to chime in and tell me what road may be ahead.

 

[Ru5tyNaiL]

Any pics without the HPS yellow? Easier to see detail, for me personally, if it's not all yellow. Nanners are the male flowers....some hermi's throw a few and some throw ALOT. You may just end up with a few seeds if it doesn't herm that bad. What's your ventilation setup like? That would help us determine if your likely to pollinate your veg tent. They look like nice plants overall. Too bad you're having this issue. Good luck.

 

[DemonTrich]

how can you pollinate a plant in veg? it hasn't shown sex yet to get pollinated.

pluck out the nanners, cut off the effected buds/stalks with herm'd flowers. if its too extensive, pull the room. once the flowers start to herm, they stop bud production and go into self preservation mode aka more nanners and to pollinate everything near by.

 

[GreeeeN GRassss]

pollen wont survive in water so spraying down everything will sort that out,

just smoke it, its not that bad. im currently getting through a bit of hermed bud. when you have noting else its the best in the world lol

 

[OldGuyInOregon]

Howdy bardledoo! I am sorry for your distress.

1) Until all of the males, hermies, AND pollen are out of the grow room, you might want to turn off fans or air circ.
2) If you try to clean your flower tent in the grow room, you may make your problem worse. Take the pollenated tent out of the grow room for cleaning.
3) I agree with greeeen grassss on water vs. pollen, but I would still recommend a 1-3% bleach solution. I'd be killing all that pollen for sure, and if I have to scrub the grow room and tents inside and out, I'd get double for my effort.
4) Your problem could have in theory started in the veg tent, so I'd behave as if both tents were pollenated.
5) If you flower tent vents inside, I'd either change that temporarily, or I'd increase the exhaust filtering as much as possbible.

when you have noting else its the best in the world lol

Word.

 

[bardledoo]

Any pics without the HPS yellow? Easier to see detail, for me personally, if it's not all yellow. Nanners are the male flowers....some hermi's throw a few and some throw ALOT. You may just end up with a few seeds if it doesn't herm that bad. What's your ventilation setup like? That would help us determine if your likely to pollinate your veg tent. They look like nice plants overall. Too bad you're having this issue. Good luck.

I'm not sure how to get a pic without the yellow, maybe a camera filter or something? Yeah i feel ya though, difficult to see clearly when ur visions all mellow yellow... Anyway, I didn't know nanners are male flowers, thats good to know. As for the ventilation....



The image is sideways, but as you can see one fan brings in air from an window unit ac (building a lung room as soon as we figure out what the hell our plan is) and Y's into the two tents, then another Y duct into fan sucking air thru the hoods. Lastly, not shown in that pic is a carbon outside the two tents, sucking from a Y duct from the two tents on the opposite side of the intake and hood exhaust

Thanks for the words.

 

[bardledoo]

how can you pollinate a plant in veg? it hasn't shown sex yet to get pollinated.

pluck out the nanners, cut off the effected buds/stalks with herm'd flowers. if its too extensive, pull the room. once the flowers start to herm, they stop bud production and go into self preservation mode aka more nanners and to pollinate everything near by.

Sorry should of clarified that question a bit... the veg tent is gonna flip into flower while the hermmed tent is still going, so will it then run the risk of getting pollinated by a neighboring tent that is sharing intake/outtake (via Y duct connectors)?

We;ve been plucking out the nanners and there really isnt a shit ton (its still 5th week though)... None of them are really too intensely hermmed, all just ever so slightly.... so cutting of stalks would be a difficult task indeed (deciphering which ones and what not).......

At what stage of herming does it stop putting energy towards bud production? Can you have a slightly stress-hermmed plant that nanners and seeds a bit this early (5th week) but keeps putting at least like 50-75% energy into bud production?

 

[bardledoo]

pollen wont survive in water so spraying down everything will sort that out,

just smoke it, its not that bad. im currently getting through a bit of hermed bud. when you have noting else its the best in the world lol

We;ve definitely been spraying it everyday with water, hoping that helps!!

Thanks for the optimism green grass. Herm victims unite!

 

[bardledoo]

Howdy bardledoo! I am sorry for your distress.

1) Until all of the males, hermies, AND pollen are out of the grow room, you might want to turn off fans or air circ.
2) If you try to clean your flower tent in the grow room, you may make your problem worse. Take the pollenated tent out of the grow room for cleaning.
3) I agree with greeeen grassss on water vs. pollen, but I would still recommend a 1-3% bleach solution. I'd be killing all that pollen for sure, and if I have to scrub the grow room and tents inside and out, I'd get double for my effort.
4) Your problem could have in theory started in the veg tent, so I'd behave as if both tents were pollenated.
5) If you flower tent vents inside, I'd either change that temporarily, or I'd increase the exhaust filtering as much as possbible.



Word.

Hey oldguyinoregon... appreciate the words... So you are leaning towards the advice of cutting our losses now, clean everything, then start anew? Have you dealt with a similar situation (like 5th week of flower that wasnt that serious at first but multiplied like crazy later)? And would the bleach evaporate off the buds or would there be residual shit left weeks later ? definitely not tryna smoke bleach

 

[OldGuyInOregon]

Hey oldguyinoregon... appreciate the words... So you are leaning towards the advice of cutting our losses now, clean everything, then start anew? Have you dealt with a similar situation (like 5th week of flower that wasnt that serious at first but multiplied like crazy later)? And would the bleach evaporate off the buds or would there be residual shit left weeks later ? definitely not tryna smoke bleach

I do not recommend using bleach on plants period. I do not recommend smoking vegetable matter that has been treated with bleach.

I have never had a hermie so listen to the others if you want hermie experience. My exertise is physics/chemistry/electronics, not hermies per se.

Cleaning everything BUT the plants. I mean walls, lamps, vents and surfaces. Take entire main branches on anything that hermied or that seeded from hermies. If that policy costs you the plants then so be it. You do not want pollen or seeds from the plants or any vegetable matter near these because they do not contain or contain very little of the chemicals you seek and they are genetically more than average likely to pass the characteristic along.

If there is any more sign of new nanners, and you cannot figure out why, maybe you just discovered a strange new disease... I'd want to solve that problem fast and put something in that space that justifies the cost and trouble and that means females with no seeds.

Good luck!!!

 

[al70]

If you've got a spare space away from your grow keep it for the seeds it produces, pollen will travel so keep it we'll away from your girls, I had one hermie a few weeks ago but I had to dump it because I had no space, if ye have good weather plant it outside somewhere safe, goodluck

 

[al70]

Nice garden by the way

 

[iam_2high]

buy some stuff called optic foliar switch

 

[lotus710]

i took a magnifier and a pair of tweezers and my trimming scissors just in case and went to work plucking out all the male nanners. and keep a good eye on them all the time for more popping up! i had a recent plant hermie on me. i plucked the male nanners and they never ever grew back i guess i got lucky cuz i hear they grow back really fast. good luck with the hermies. oh and bho is fine with them, just take out all the seeds and go to work! itll be lower quality but its better then smoking lots of seed sacs (i find they taste off). just make sure to be safe!! and dry sifting is better if youre using cans of butane! namaste<3

 

[potty1]

Spraying buds with water at week 5 is asking for trouble.
You want to reduce humidity at this stage or a few seeds will be the least of your worries.i think the advise was cleaning after harvest.
STOP SPRAYING THEM!!! Bud rot is far worse than a few seeds!
Are you certain you know what your looking at? Calyx do swell as the plant matures, it doesn't necessarily mean it's seeded?
I guess your seeing single yellow bananas which are seeding the surrounding area with the hairs wilting and calyx looking pregnant?
If it was my room I'd:
Pluck what bananas you can with tweezers.dip these in water as you go to damp down each banana as it's plucked.
Direct fans away from the plants in question to avoid pollen flying.
Keep on keeping on.
Chopping now would be a waste, they are still throwing plenty of pistils so they're still making bud.good luck.
P's are the veg gers the same genetic as the problem plamts

 

[Ru5tyNaiL]

how can you pollinate a plant in veg? it hasn't shown sex yet to get pollinated.

Personally, I only flower plants once they're mature, after they've shown sex. So at any given time I have a few plants with plenty of preflowers that can get pollinated.

 

[bardledoo]

Nice garden by the way

Thanks al!

buy some stuff called optic foliar switch

Does this stuff work 5th week of flower and for plants that already show herm traits? I thought it was a preventive for plants more susceptible to herming.

i took a magnifier and a pair of tweezers and my trimming scissors just in case and went to work plucking out all the male nanners. and keep a good eye on them all the time for more popping up! i had a recent plant hermie on me. i plucked the male nanners and they never ever grew back i guess i got lucky cuz i hear they grow back really fast. good luck with the hermies. oh and bho is fine with them, just take out all the seeds and go to work! itll be lower quality but its better then smoking lots of seed sacs (i find they taste off). just make sure to be safe!! and dry sifting is better if youre using cans of butane! namaste<3

yup we've been pluckin away. doesn't seem to be spreadin too much at all, although we did notice some more seed pods on bottom nodes under the scrog... maybe we just didn't notice them before, but anyway, no more nanners really... and above the scrog looks stankalicious! the whole bho thing would have to be a project from a friend or something... haven't blasted before and don't really ever wanna start. peace!

Spraying buds with water at week 5 is asking for trouble.
You want to reduce humidity at this stage or a few seeds will be the least of your worries.i think the advise was cleaning after harvest.
STOP SPRAYING THEM!!! Bud rot is far worse than a few seeds!
Are you certain you know what your looking at? Calyx do swell as the plant matures, it doesn't necessarily mean it's seeded?
I guess your seeing single yellow bananas which are seeding the surrounding area with the hairs wilting and calyx looking pregnant?
If it was my room I'd:
Pluck what bananas you can with tweezers.dip these in water as you go to damp down each banana as it's plucked.
Direct fans away from the plants in question to avoid pollen flying.
Keep on keeping on.
Chopping now would be a waste, they are still throwing plenty of pistils so they're still making bud.good luck.
P's are the veg gers the same genetic as the problem plamts

you jynxed it!!! lol... we found a small patch of PM on one of the white widows and sprayed it down with dr. bronners and put the dehum (was at 56%)..... doesnt seem like it spread much at all really... crossin fingers! and yeah the bud / pistil/ resin production doesnt seem to be halting at all, so hell ya on that front... definitely gonna keep the stoked factor high and ride this one out

 

[bardledoo]

Edit* we put the dehum back in the tent because the RH was at 56% .... dehum is set to 45%

 

[bardledoo]

Spraying buds with water at week 5 is asking for trouble.
You want to reduce humidity at this stage or a few seeds will be the least of your worries.i think the advise was cleaning after harvest.
STOP SPRAYING THEM!!! Bud rot is far worse than a few seeds!
Are you certain you know what your looking at? Calyx do swell as the plant matures, it doesn't necessarily mean it's seeded?
I guess your seeing single yellow bananas which are seeding the surrounding area with the hairs wilting and calyx looking pregnant?
If it was my room I'd:
Pluck what bananas you can with tweezers.dip these in water as you go to damp down each banana as it's plucked.
Direct fans away from the plants in question to avoid pollen flying.
Keep on keeping on.
Chopping now would be a waste, they are still throwing plenty of pistils so they're still making bud.good luck.
P's are the veg gers the same genetic as the problem plamts

Sorry, forgot to answer yoiur last question.... yes the veggers are the same genetics as the problem plants... they are cuttings taken over a month ago

 

[bardledoo]

Well guys, it's been a while since the update, so here we are. I decided to try my luck with these nanners and continue the grow, so far so good. It doesn't seem like to problem is progressing. I am at 40 days flower now. It seems the bud development is up to par, and I've only had to pick off a nanner here and there, no biggie. Also, the pistils seem to be looking healthier overall. So I am really hoping the best.

Upon dissecting some of the buds, there are the tiny green unfertilized seeds in the pistils. I have read that sometimes these don't develop and don't pose a real problem. I mean these things are like the size of a pencil point, so if they don't get bigger than i think they might no be noticeable. Does anyone know what I'm talking about with this and have any experience with how they turn out?? Are these in fact normal?

And here are a few photos, let me know what ya think
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