Dud Identification Collective Knowledge.

[Loose Cannon]

I am also new to cloning. Couldn't that induce stress, that could cause dudding, especially with clones, of clones, etc..

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The issue I have with that is I used 40 beans given to me to begin Labor Day weekend, 1991.
NL5XSK1 was a 2 time cup winner, and while I used a male from the 40 to make seeds, these were all the friend wanted from me so he got, seemed like a couple thousand seeds, and I picked a stinky female and regenerated her.

I used this same regen female to continue for an entire decade.
Not THE plant of course, but many clones/moms/clones/moms...

Not to say things haven't changed with so much more breeding and crossing, who's to say.

I've always been skeptical of multi-gens losing vigor because of my own experience. She never did.

Doesn't mean it doesn't happen, just my own experience.

 

[Loc Dog]

That was my thought, maybe some inbreeding would show ugly traits. Many may do fine.

Odd that almost all in this discussion are GG4 or Adubb related.

 

[Loose Cannon]

That was my thought, maybe some inbreeding would show ugly traits. Many may do fine.

Odd that almost all in this discussion are GG4 or Adubb related.

I'm reasonably sure I don't have the D-Dip tode but I may never know for sure if I can't get them outta veg. [FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]

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[papaduc]

I am also new to cloning. Couldn't that induce stress, that could cause dudding, especially with clones, of clones, etc..

Yes, it certainly can cause a plant to become a dud/inefficient/lower yielding than it has ever been. And there are specific techniques which you need to employ to get a cut back to full vigor and productivity again.

If and when people are ready to talk about growing techniques such as this, only then you can tackle the MANY issues which might cause duds.

I have known from the beginning that nematodes were not the problem for a lot of these plants. Some of them might come back with positive samples, but even then a broader picture is needed to determine how much they are responsible for the overall diminishing productivity of the plant.

You will never find out what causes the problem for a specific plant or a certain grower, without knowing all the variables involved and without him/her giving you full access to their grows and their methods at all points, especially the critical ones, throughout the growth phase. It's as simple as that.

This is the infirmary section and without pictures and proper documentation, it's all guesswork.

 

[amannamedtruth]

Yea man I agree fully. Its a shame you were dismissed and shrugged off earlier in the thread. You got a big heart in the right place.

 

[Storm Shadow]

A few weeks in so far of using Chitosan.... I'm pretty convinced this stuff is all you need to toast these bastards....it just takes a few weeks to really show something convincing...

My plants haven't looked this nice in such a long time... just remembering how beautiful they stretch and how much faster they clone....

I'm now sure that the reason OG kush and OG genetics take forever to clone has to do with these evil bastards... I soaked some Rockwool cubes in Chitosan and took clones... 8 days I saw roots poking out... prior to trying the Chitosan technique My Larry/ChemD cut would take 2.5-3 weeks to start showing roots...and I would lose a nice amount of cuts

BTW People that work at Hydro Shops are the very very last source I would ever listen to for any of these problems

Just what Im observing so far


Its also silly to think just because 1 person didn't find todes that all of a sudden its a different problem... this thread is doomed for merry go round status

 

[papaduc]

I'd be very interested to actually SEE how your chitosan-treated plants are developing brother, and I'm sure everyone else reading this thread would be too.

It's not silly to assume there are probably a lot of different reasons for a lot of different issues.
It's extremely unlikely that everyone who sees poor growth rates in all or certain plants will have exactly the same problem, and only that problem.

 

[Storm Shadow]

I agree with that your saying papaduc.... its just these very specific traits that the plants display when infested with Todes is something you will never see in any other sick plant...

Its hard to explain... but when you see plants that branches can fall of by staring at them too hard .... this is 100% a problem you cant Arm Chair Quarterback unless you've had it...... understand it.... and have seen it in many many genetics of all types....

This thread is turning into I have an issue with my plant it must be a DUD thread...

OG kush the most prone strain to this problem...it all started with that cut...that clone...for me.....

 

[papaduc]

I understand, but the term dud means "a thing that fails to work properly or is otherwise unsatisfactory or worthless"

There are so many causes of unsatisfactory plants. The term dud does not specifically pertain to a nematode infestation.

For me, if this is to be a "what causes dud plants" then it's only right to discuss everything which does. That includes cloning methods, vegging methods, feeding.. etc etc..

If you're talking specifically about nematodes, maybe it's time to start a thread about nematodes and concentrate on them specifically, using confirmed cases.

 

[Storm Shadow]

DUD means plant that is infected by Stem Nematode.....don't mix it up

White Flagging and brittle stems..... actually seeing worms...etc....

Last time I say this...no disrespect to anyone here

If you haven't dealt with this problem personally and for quite sometime... your advice is useless ... no matter how much copy and paste...google search or whatever

experience on the frontlines is what counts..

Riddle me this....and riddle me that....is for the birds

If your like me...your trying to break bread .... and if that $$$$ means everything to you like it does me.... then you feel where Im coming from

90% of the info on this thread is junk....useless junk that will make you think your plant has Ebola

No pictures and too much typing is all the advice being given by members who aren't skilled or experienced enough to comment on this topic

 

[Grizz]

DUD means plant that is infected by Stem Nematode.....don't mix it up

White Flagging and brittle stems..... actually seeing worms...etc....

Last time I say this...no disrespect to anyone here

If you haven't dealt with this problem personally and for quite sometime... your advice is useless ... no matter how much copy and paste...google search or whatever

experience on the frontlines is what counts..

Riddle me this....and riddle me that....is for the birds

If your like me...your trying to break bread .... and if that $$$$ means everything to you like it does me.... then you feel where Im coming from

90% of the info on this thread is junk....useless junk that will make you think your plant has Ebola

No pictures and too much typing is all the advice being given by members who aren't skilled or experienced enough to comment on this topic

preach it brother storm. I am in agreement , the duds we speak of are a evil all of there own.

 

[oceangrownkush]

I am convinced after seeing pics here, reading descriptions of symptoms, ect that my copy of Sour Dubb is totally clean of this issue.. I'm getting roots from 6-15 days, stems are bendable and thick.. Foliage dark green/blue and big healthy fan leaves..

I remember growing out Adubb/Odubb.. The clones I first got wanted to lay down on the ground, needed total support in veg.. They would always end up having necrotic fan leaves.. Always three finger leaves, always small never seemed to have any dominant fans..

I made seeds with these plants, would it be possible to test the seeds to make sure no nematodes are in them? I would really fucking hate to continue sharing them with friends and growing then out if they are tainted.

 

[Loose Cannon]

Going to try to get to lab after returning lesson in futility scope.
Ordered a "nice" AmScope but won't be here til at least Monday.
Taking a stem that is most likely NOT with tode but want to speak with the guy in person.
Hoping he'll at least be curious enough to give an up or down diagnosis on presence and in the future will run diagnostic w/o county involvement. Long shot but WTF.

 

[Yes4Prop215]

yea please keep us posted Loose cannon, I'm ready to send in more samples of "suspect" plants immediately.

Storm what do you mean by white flagging? what does that look like….

even thought my tests came back negative it was only for one plant, and a large one at that. so I want to test some of my runty indoor veg starts that are only like a foot tall and if they had nematodes would probably be easier to find than a massive 6+ foot tall plant.

 

[Loose Cannon]

IF I can speak w this guy can I tell him there have been at least 2 lab tested positives for D-Dip?
Anyone?
Gotta go. I'll check in w mobile.

 

[whatthe215]

chitosan is magic. no dud branches, day 40 with wifi3 and things are charging. veg looks wonderful with just floranova, calmag and chitosan. i'm pretty sure i've got this thing licked.

i haven't harvested a room in almost 6 months, storm saved my ass big time and i hope i can return the favor some day.

experience and results is all that matters. maybe i'll post some pics, i'm very proud to have beat this thing.

 

[SourSmoke]

What concentration of chitosan are you guys using?

 

[Loose Cannon]

yea please keep us posted Loose cannon, I'm ready to send in more samples of "suspect" plants immediately.

Storm what do you mean by white flagging? what does that look like….

even thought my tests came back negative it was only for one plant, and a large one at that. so I want to test some of my runty indoor veg starts that are only like a foot tall and if they had nematodes would probably be easier to find than a massive 6+ foot tall plant.

I didn't get there in time and he didn't answer phone at 3:15.
If he doesn't return the call I'll go over Monday am.

 

[whatthe215]

What concentration of chitosan are you guys using?

i've been using 1gram/gallon. storm said 0.5-1gram/gallon a few posts back. sooo 1g/gal for treatment and 0.5g/gal for maintenance?

no adverse affects at all, seems to add 10ppm and raises pH 0.1 for me.

and to clarify so no one buys the wrong thing, it's chitosan oligosaccharide. not just plain chitosan. oligo form is more bioavailable to plants and humans.

it's not a wettable powder so must be dissolved in water before adding to res. i put 100grams in a gallon of RO and shake for 30 seconds. it falls out of solution slowly so i mix up the res every 10 min while watering.

 

[xxxstr8edgexxx]

someone posted a link here a while back. where is it available cheapest in bulk. how much does it cost.