Droopiness

[KushaNator]

I have some 2 week old babies just started. 4 out of the 5 have droopiness accompanied by some curling, no signs of burn or anything. Went away and left them unattended for 4 days pots were somewhat dry and I gave them a good watering and this is when shit hit the fan. Is this a possibility of over watering or something else. I have never ever had this problem before and I have a feeling that those 4 are not going to make it. Just need some opinions.

 

[SweetIndica2]

Sounds like overwatering, post some pics if you can. It's much easier to diagnose plants that way.

What size pots are they in? when they are young, young plants in large pots are easier to overwater because the top of the soil may stay dry and the middle of the soil may be soaking wet.

Use the pot lift method when watering, water them and wait until the pots are light again until watering.

 

[KushaNator]

They are about 2 weeks old as stated almost going on 3, I used my usual method of the small 3x3 starters until one week. Then dixie cups and now they are in 6x6 going into their 3rd week. They had pretty developed roots so maybe I just slipped up and over watered. Since the last lights on they seem to be doing better but we shall see. But some more info most of them are on their 3-5th node some are faster growers than others. But I did clip some of the droopy sorry looking leaves off. The leaf curling is inwards on some of the plants not up. They are still holding their green color and the new growth does not seem to be drooping or curling so my fingers are crossed. I will just hold out on the watering for a couple of days and see how they respond.

 

[SweetIndica2]

yea, i wouldn't water them for several days and see if they bounce back. Don't clip off any leaves unless they are already dead, the fan leaves provide energy for the plant and snipping them off could provide even more problems. Good Luck

 

[KushaNator]

Yea not to worry the ones that I clipped honestly looked like they were going to fall off. The other leaves appear to be perfectly healthy! So I have high hopes...no pun intended.

 

[MsJones]

it could be your water temperature. if the water is too cold or too hot the leaves curl under and in, kinda cup themselves. it is a defense mechanism and would explain why after a few hours and by the next light cycle they had straightened themselves out. Try to keep your water temps in the low- mid 70s..maybe like 74 or so. in the 60s is probably low and the 80s high.

without pictures it's really hard to diagnose anything properly though.

hopefully they will be fine : )

 

[KushaNator]

Its not the water temp. I mix by the gallon and leave it at room temp which is about 71-74 degrees Fahrenheit. My temps while lights off is about 73-75 depending on how well my ac decides to run that day. Lights on its about 77-80 and the humidity inside the box is about 45-55%. My 250 is about 12 inches away so that way I won't light burn them. But we shall see how they come out today when the lights come on my fingers are crossed that I don't have any more sickly looking babies. I am just scratching my head on this one. I would love to post pics but my camera is at a friends house for the moment. But the best description I can give is that the leaves droop with inwards curling with what looks like discoloration...not nute burn, kinda grayish darkening color, like the leaf is slowly dying. Its not mold either cause I've looked under the microscope.

 

[MsJones]

Its not the water temp. I mix by the gallon and leave it at room temp which is about 71-74 degrees Fahrenheit. My temps while lights off is about 73-75 depending on how well my ac decides to run that day. Lights on its about 77-80 and the humidity inside the box is about 45-55%. My 250 is about 12 inches away so that way I won't light burn them. But we shall see how they come out today when the lights come on my fingers are crossed that I don't have any more sickly looking babies. I am just scratching my head on this one. I would love to post pics but my camera is at a friends house for the moment. But the best description I can give is that the leaves droop with inwards curling with what looks like discoloration...not nute burn, kinda grayish darkening color, like the leaf is slowly dying. Its not mold either cause I've looked under the microscope.

phosphorus deficiency!!

I was looking up your issue last night and it happens to be the very same issue I had.

Here let me get a picture uploaded for you.

I got my answers from Stitch's Guide to something something something about ph and pests and problems and hw to fix them it's great I go there all the time...here I'll be back.

Phosphorus..that's the issue....

 

[MsJones]

Ok...here is what I pulled from the (Revised The Complete Guide To Sick Plants,pH and Pest Troubles...THANK YOU MYNAMESTITCH!

Phosphorus (P) Mobile Element and Macro Element

Benefit: Phosphorus does a lot of things for the plant. One of the most important parts of Phosphorus is: It aids in root growth and influences the vigor of the plant and is
one of the most important elements in flowering as well helps to germinate seedlings.
Phosphorus is an essential plant nutrient, and since it is needed in large amounts, it is classified as a macronutrient. Phosphorus is a MAJOR important nutrient in the plants reproductive stages. Without this element the plants will have a lot of problems blooming without proper levels of Phosphorus.


When your plants are deficient in phosphorus, this can overall reduce the size of your plants. Not enough causes slow growth and causes the plant to become weak, to little amount of Phosphorus causes slow growths in leaves that may or may not drop off. The edges all around the leaves or half of the leaves can be brownish and work its way inwards a bit causing the part of the leaves to curl up in the air a bit. Fan leaves will show dark greenish/purplish and yellowish tones along with a dullish blue color to them. Sometimes the stems can be red, along with red petioles that can happen when having a Phosphorus deficiency. This isn’t a sure sure sign of you having one though, but can be a sign. Some strains just show the red petioles and stems from its genes.
So pretty much the overall dark green color with a purple, red, or blue tint to the fan leaves is a good sign of a Phosphorus deficiency. Having Cold weather (below 50F/10C) can make phosphorous absorption very troublesome for plants.
Many people get a Phosphorus deficiency confused with a fungus problem because the ends of the leaves look like a fungus problem, But the damage occurs at the end of the leaves. side of the leaves and has a glass like feeling to it as if it had a ph problem. Parts affected by a phosphorus deficiency are: Older Leaves, Whole plant, Petioles.

Too much Phosphorus levels affect plant growth by suppressing the uptake of: Iron, potassium and Zinc, potentially causing deficiency symptoms of these nutrients to occur def in plants. A Zinc deficiency is most common under excessive phosphorus conditions,
As well as causing other nutrients to have absorption troubles like zinc and copper. Phosphorus fluctuates when concentrated and combined with calcium



Problems with Phosphorus being locked out by PH troubles
Cold wet soils, acid or very alkaline soils, compacted soil.


Soil

Phosphorus gets locked out of soil growing at ph levels of 4.0-5.5
Phosphorus is absorbed best in soil at a ph level of 6.0-7.5 (wouldn’t recommend having a ph of over 7.0 in soil) Anything out of the ranges listed will contribute to a Phosphorus deficiency.


Hydro and Soil less Mediums

Phosphorus gets locked out of Hydro and Soil less Mediums at ph levels of 6.0-8.5.
Phosphorus is absorbed best in Hydro and Soil less Mediums at ph levels of 4.0- 5.8. (Wouldn’t recommend having a ph over 6.5 in hydro and soil less mediums.) Best range for hydro and soil less mediums is 5.0 to 6.0. Anything out of the ranges listed will contribute to a Phosphorus Deficiency.



Solution to fixing a Phosphorus deficiency
Some deficiency during flowering is normal, but too much shouldn't be tolerated. Any chemical or organic fertilizers that have Phosphorus in them will fix a Phosphorus deficiency. If you have a phosphorus deficiency you should use any N-P-K ratio that is over 5.Again Peters all purpose 20-20-20 is a good mix. Miracle grow Tomato plant food, Miracle grow All purpose plant food (Only mixing at ½ strength when using chemical nutrients, or it will cause nutrient burn!) Other forms of phosphorus supplements are: Bone meal, which is gradual absorption, I suggest making it into a tea for faster use, where bone/blood meal is slow acting, but when made into a tea it works quicker! Fruit eating bat guano, which is fast absorption, Worm castings, which is gradual absorption, Fish meal, which is medium absorption, Soft Rock Phosphate, which is medium absorption, Jamaican or Indonesian Guano, which is fast absorption. Crabshell, which is slow absorption. Tiger Bloom , which is fast absorption.

Here is a list of things to help fix a Phosphrus Deficiency.

Chemical

Advanced nutrients Bloom (0-5-4)
Vita Bloom (0-7-5)
BC Bloom (1.1-4.4-7)
GH Flora Bloom (0-5-4)
GH Maxi Bloom (5-15-14)
GH Floranova Bloom (4-8-7)
Dyna-Gro Bloom (3-12-6)
Fox Farm Tiger Bloom (2-8-4)
Awsome Blossums

Organic

Dr. Hornby's Iguana Juice Bloom (4-3-6)
Advanced Nutrients Mother Earth Bloom (.5-1.5-2)
Fox Farm Big Bloom (.01-.3-.7)
Earth Juice Bloom (0-3-1)
Pure Blend Bloom (2.5-2-5)
Pure Blend Pro Bloom (2.5-2-5)
Buddswell (0-7-0)
Sea Island Jamaican Bat Guano (1-10-0)
Indonesian Bat Guano (0-13-0)
Rainbow Mix Bloom (1-9-2)
Earth Juice Bloom (0-3-1)
BIO BLOOM (2-6-3.5)
AGE OLD BLOOM (5-10-5)
ALASKA MORBLOOM (0-10-10)
METANATURALS ORGANIC BLOOM (1-5-5)


Any of these will cure your phosphorus deficiency. Affected leaves will not show recovery but new growth will appear normal.


Now if you added to much chemical ferts and or organics,( which is hard to burn your plants when using organics) You need to Flush the soil with plain water. You need to use 2 times as much water as the size of the pot, for example: If you have a 5 gallon pot and need to flush it, you need to use 10 gallons of water to rinse out the soil good enough to get rid of excessive nutrients.


Note: Blood Meal, Dried Blood, Guanos, Kelp Meal, Cotton Seed Meal, Peat Moss,
Sulfur and fish meal are all acidic and can bring your ph down, so if you add these please monitor your ph when using those.

Note: Bone Meal, Rock Phosphate, Wood Ashes pretty much all ashes, Shellfish Compost and Crab Meal are all alkaline and can make your ph go up, so if you add any of these please monitor your ph.



Picture 1 is a Phosphorus deficiency during vegetative growth.
Picture 2 is what a phosphorus deficiency looks like in flowering.

The pictures are also from the guide and are not my original pictures. If this violates anything please forgive me and I will take it down. I mean only to give a brotha some information. It is probably posted around here somewhere too probably



Jonesy

Phosphorus def in veg


Phosphorus def in flower

 

[KushaNator]

I don't think its a def though. The soil ph in all the pots is about 6.5-6.8. I have given them a low dose of PBP veg, Liquid karma, Calmag, and super low dose of PBP flower. So I believe that the curling/drooping leaves is most likely due to my stupid mistake of over watering. The discoloration is more than likely the cause of that too, the leaves are withering and dying. BUT they do look a hell of a lot better. All leaves are standing up so I am pleased. But thanks for the support with thinking its a def. Never hurt to put it out there so its appreciated.

 

[KushaNator]

Thanks for the advice chaos. I never thought about that being the problem as well as over watering. It makes much more sense now. I am trying 3 new strains instead of my nute hungry northern lights. The white rhino is the only one that seemed to not be phased and the 2 afghan kush's are recovering much better, the white widows seemed to look the worst, but we will see how they recovered after 3 days. I'm hoping I didn't stunt their growth by too much. But beans are not a problem on my side either I have lots of dank bagseed seeds and some breeder seeds so I can always have fun with that.

 

[MsJones]

The two go hand in hand....when you over fert you inhibit your plants ability to take in nutrients, resulting in lockout and a deficiency

i think


what kind of soil and ammendments are you using?

 

[KushaNator]

The droopiness has ceased and there does not seem to be any nute lockout troubles. Some of the droopy leaves that remain are slowly dying off BUT new healthy growth is starting back up again which is a positive sign. Everything is as green as it can be when I checked on them last lights on. The top of the soil was extremely dry so I just added enough to wet it down to retain some moisture. But due to this problem its probably thrown things off by a week. But the stronger 3 out of the 5 are doing great, the other 2 are coming around. They just need some TLC, which they will get.

 

[MsJones]

The same thing happened to me when I put my babes into Roots organic soil, straight... I should have known better and used something a bit more gentle such as the Black Gold I usually do at that stage. Glad to see they are bouncing back : )

Peace,
MsJ