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Drones over U.S. get OK by Congress

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BrnCow

Look! Up in the sky! Is it a bird? Is it a plane? It’s … a drone, and it’s watching you. That’s what privacy advocates fear from a bill Congress passed this week to make it easier for the government to fly unmanned spy planes in U.S. airspace.


The FAA Reauthorization Act, which President Obama is expected to sign, also orders the Federal Aviation Administration to develop regulations for the testing and licensing of commercial drones by 2015.


Privacy advocates say the measure will lead to widespread use of drones for electronic surveillance by police agencies across the country and eventually by private companies as well.
“There are serious policy questions on the horizon about privacy and surveillance, by both government agencies and commercial entities,” said Steven Aftergood, who heads the Project on Government Secrecy at the Federation of American Scientists.


The Electronic Frontier Foundation also is “concerned about the implications for surveillance by government agencies,” said attorney Jennifer Lynch.
The provision in the legislation is the fruit of “a huge push by lawmakers and the defense sector to expand the use of drones” in American airspace, she added.


According to some estimates, the commercial drone market in the United States could be worth hundreds of millions of dollars once the FAA clears their use.
The agency projects that 30,000 drones could be in the nation’s skies by 2020.


The highest-profile use of drones by the United States has been in the CIA’s armed Predator-drone program, which targets al Qaeda terrorist leaders. But the vast majority of U.S. drone missions, even in war zones, are flown for surveillance. Some drones are as small as model aircraft, while others have the wingspan of a full-size jet.


In Afghanistan, the U.S. use of drone surveillance has grown so rapidly that it has created a glut of video material to be analyzed.


The legislation would order the FAA, before the end of the year, to expedite the process through which it authorizes the use of drones by federal, state and local police and other agencies. The FAA currently issues certificates, which can cover multiple flights by more than one aircraft in a particular area, on a case-by-case basis.
The Department of Homeland Security is the only federal agency to discuss openly its use of drones in domestic airspace.
U.S. Customs and Border Protection, an agency within the department, operates nine drones, variants of the CIA’s feared Predator. The aircraft, which are flown remotely by a team of 80 fully qualified pilots, are used principally for border and counternarcotics surveillance under four long-term FAA certificates.


Officials say they can be used on a short-term basis for a variety of other public-safety and emergency-management missions if a separate certificate is issued for that mission.
It’s not all about surveillance,” Mr. Aftergoo


Homeland Security has deployed drones to support disaster relief operations. Unmanned aircraft also could be useful for fighting fires or finding missing climbers or hikers, he added.
The FAA has issued hundreds of certificates to police and other government agencies, and a handful to research institutions to allow them to fly drones of various kinds over the United States for particular missions.
The agency said it issued 313 certificates in 2011 and 295 of them were still active at the end of the year, but the FAA refuses to disclose which agencies have the certificates and what their purposes are.


The Electronic Frontier Foundation is suing the FAA to obtain records of the certifications.
“We need a list so we can ask [each agency], ‘What are your policies on drone use? How do you protect privacy? How do you ensure compliance with the Fourth Amendment?’ ” Ms. Lynch said.


“Currently, the only barrier to the routine use of drones for persistent surveillance are the procedural requirements imposed by the FAA for the issuance of certificates,” said Amie Stepanovich, national security counsel for the Electronic Privacy Information Center, a research center in Washington.


The Department of Transportation, the parent agency of the FAA, has announced plans to streamline the certification process for government drone flights this year, she said.
“We are looking at our options” to oppose that, she added.
Section 332 of the new FAA legislation also orders the agency to develop a system for licensing commercial drone flights as part of the nation’s air traffic control system by 2015.


The agency must establish six flight ranges across the country where drones can be test-flown to determine whether they are safe for travel in congested skies.


Representatives of the fast-growing unmanned aircraft systems industry say they worked hard to get the provisions into law.
“It sets deadlines for the integration of [the drones] into the national airspace,” said Gretchen West, executive vice president of the Association for Unmanned Vehicle Systems International, an industry group.
She said drone technology is new to the FAA.


The legislation, which provides several deadlines for the FAA to report progress to Congress, “will move the [drones] issue up their list of priorities,” Ms. West said.
 

resinryder

Rubbing my glands together
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Sieg Heil. Just dusting that off. Looks like we're gonna be using it sooner rather than later.,
 

Maj.PotHead

End Cannibis Prohibition Now Realize Legalize !!
Mentor
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hell yea real target pratice and not some dam clay pigions some real skynet chit mang :jump: I'll Be Back
 

rasputin

The Mad Monk
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Bullfrog, it doesn't hold up when you're sarcastic like that if you weren't opposed to George Bush, too. Were you?

I distrust all illusions of authority equally. When you know the way they lie to you, you can see it in all things.
 

Bullfrog44

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No rasputin, I don't like what George Bush did the the country either.........thanks for assuming that.
 
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gloryoskie

gawd! What will happen to my privacy?!? snicker.

I know its not proper to burn the flag, but can I still use it to wipe my ass?

Kidding.

I wonder what pending legislation will be required to offset civilian use of jamming/stealth technologies against this nonsense?

I smell lawsuits, lots of lawsuits.
 
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greenmatter

gawd! What will happen to my privacy?!? snicker.

I know its not proper to burn the flag, but can I still use it to wipe my ass?

Kidding.

I wonder what pending legislation will be required to offset civilian use of jamming/stealth technologies against this nonsense?

I smell lawsuits, lots of lawsuits.

you can't wipe your ass with the flag silly ....... thats what the constitution is for!
 

Bullfrog44

Active member
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you can't wipe your ass with the flag silly ....... thats what the constitution is for!

I will get flamed for saying this, but I find this really offensive. But I guess when you are a true intellect like Greenmatter you can say these things without conscious.


who spends more time watching cartoons than "real" TV ......

south park, family guy and robot chicken are about 80% of my combined TV intake (which is not much)

....... and i would argue that celebrity death match and beavis and butthead have hurt the human collective less over 20 years than reality stars have in the last 20 minutes

when i saw the "celebrity you would like to toke up" thread my first thought was lois griffin ...... giggitty ........

it may sound fucked up but i actually think cartman is more likable than most humans i see on TV

has reality cooked my brain? should i smoke more? or less? am i becoming so anti social that i cant even look at people on a TV screen?

When you get your knowledge from southpark, what else can we expect?
 

lost in a sea

Lifer
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its a joke man,, its not to sting anyone and if it does then it shouldnt,,

im sorry it got your panties in a bunch,, personally i thought it was well observed humour,,

i wonder which fake party in that faux duopoly will tear that document up more over the next 4 years :thinking:
 

Blueshark

Active member
It seems that we are losing more freedom EVERY day. I guess it's not enough to have sattelites that can see a pimple on a knat's ass from orbit, now we have Drones? Mostly in the name of 'Homeland Security'??
Pardon me, but when was the last time we had a viable threat from inside the U.S. except for McVay (who was nuts) ?
New laws..New regulations..New 'Safety' requirements.. Bullshit!!
Apparently it's a lot cheaper to fly Drones that manned choppers to spot outdoor grows. Oh, and since they are capable of carrying 'ordinance', they can be outfitted with heat seaking equipment for your indoor grows. Are we soon to be implanted by a chip so they can track our every move under the guise of "caring for our security"?
This should disturb everyone greatly. Progressives have infiltrated BOTH parties and they need to be voted OUT....They seek total control over everybody.
Much like grassroots movements to legalize MJ, we need to raise hell about this until its repealed....Or we can all look forward to no privacy at all.
 

lost in a sea

Lifer
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seems like everyone really is a terrorist in the new world,,

despite the fact there are basically none,,

just lots of good little sheeple that think governments work for them,, well they will do if you make them, otherwise they screw you for your money and send your young off to war,,
 

Blueshark

Active member
Vigilance is key. We have been asleep for far too long. Yeh, it's boring, but the alternative is frightening. The 'sheeple' on the Titanic thought that it couldn't sink either. The fight for freedom is never over; We must never become complacent lest we lose all
 
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greenmatter

I will get flamed for saying this, but I find this really offensive. But I guess when you are a true intellect like Greenmatter you can say these things without conscious.




When you get your knowledge from southpark, what else can we expect?

it was meant to be ironic bullfrog ........ seems to me that the guys who are running the show are actually doing both ..... it's just that the fire has no flames.

anything i type is a product of a twisted mind ....... i really don't spend much time watching TV

FWIW neither me or my conscious are every going to burn or wipe my ass with any flags ............. maybe you should grow a sense of humor
 
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Bullfrog44

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it was meant to be ironic bullfrog ........ seems to me that the guys who are running the show are actually doing both ..... it's just that the fire has no flames.

anything i type is a product of a twisted mind ....... i really don't spend much time watching TV

FWIW neither me or my conscious are every going to burn or wipe my ass with any flags ............. maybe you should grow a sense of humor

You think I need to check my sense of humor but you joke about wiping your ass with our country's most sacred document. Like I said, I don't find it funny, and I actually find it offensive. Maybe if I had a sense of humor more like Carttman I would have found it funny. However, I live in the real world, and in the real world, what you said is offensive. Not saying you can't say what you did, or your opinion doesn't count. Just purely stating my POV.
 
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greenmatter

You think I need to check my sense of humor but you joke about wiping your ass with our country's most sacred document. Like I said, I don't find it funny, and I actually find it offensive. Maybe if I had a sense of humor more like Carttman I would have found it funny. However, I live in the real world, and in the real world, what you said is offensive. Not saying you can't say what you did, or your opinion doesn't count. Just purely stating my POV.

O.K. ........ when law makers say it's a good thing to have drones flying around in a "free country" i see them as wiping there asses with our flag,our constitution, and our trust....... (and i know i am not the only one who sees it that way).

maybe i should have done something like throw out some of the well used -isms ...... socialism,communism or just blamed obama for the whole mess and kept it simple.

i do see your POV ..... but why do you have an issue with me joking about wiping my ass with the flag/constitution if you don't seem to have a problem with the boys in washington actually doing it.

FWIW i was not trying to piss you or anybody else off with what i said, or am saying ......... but the fact remains that the guys who run the show are saying it's cool to spy on us, so while i am laughing there is a tear in my eye

we are both getting screwed by the same people and we are arguing with each other ......... that is the most american thing i have seen all day ...... but it is early.:ying::ying::ying:
 

lost in a sea

Lifer
Veteran
the powers that be are wiping their arses with the american constitution,,

^^^^that is a goddamn fact.

anyone who points that out imo is a patriot to america and the values that are supposed to be protected but aren't,,

the us is a young country and i understand that makes it hard to laugh at yourselves,, but to most of the planet america is a scary joke,, and i shit you not..

and really picking up on something like what someone watches and attacking their intelligence and right to their opinion for it is seriously ignorant,,

we are both getting screwed by the same people and we are arguing with each other ......... that is the most american thing i have seen all day ...... but it is early.:ying::ying::ying:
 

BlueCheer

Member
The American Constitution has been turned into bad compost since I was born. Nothing good seems to grow from it's true meaning anymore. It's like that Thomas Paine saying, "If government fears it's people, then it's Liberty, but if the people fear government, it's Tryanny."

It still blows my mind how fast downhill everything slides, there's no grip anymore!

Cheer
 

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